How many times did Paul met up with Jesus? Who was the one who trained Paul beside his rabbi?
Does Jesus and Paul contradict each other?
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How many times did Paul met up with Jesus? Who was the one who trained Paul beside his rabbi?
Ok Nufan from you post on another thread you created about " how non-Christian view Christianity."
You said the following below:
I just have a quick question for everyone to consider. What is it that unifies the Christian faith? What is it that Christians are doing to impact the world in a positive way. I would also include non trinitarians in this discussion, as well as what many may consider to be cult like Christianity. Such as mormonism. I wanna know what unifies all Christians, followers, and believers in Jesus Christ, regardless of belife or religon.
I wanna know how we all can come together to make a positive impact.
I also believe that many non-believers want to know the same thing, and want to see this happening within the Christian community. For non believers to consider christianity as a valid example and somthing worthwhile to be part of. Unfortunately, it seems that most people who are Christian, are just focused on their own salvation, and what they believe is right, and coming against what they believe is wrong.
I don't believe that this is really a good example of how to be a Christian, and a follower of Jesus Christ.
Could you please shed some light on this for me?
The unfortunate truth is that a lot of times I am embarrassed to call myself a Christian or to say that I'm a follower Christ, when the example is that Christians can't seem to be unified and disagree amongst themselves. We then claim that, our god is powerful that he's mighty and does great things, but pur god can't unify his people or clear up all the confusion. When you look at what's going on in the Christian community, typically the impression is the Christian churches are full of gossip, that they are mean and bigoted, and they are hypocritical, demanding that people do what they themselves are not able to do.
You have formulated a bias against Christians. much of what you said here is opinionated not truth. You also come from the position of Universalism and what many LGBTQ so-called churches uses to attack Christianity.
1. There i no common Ground with GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus said HE is the only way, the only truth and the only life. No one goes to the Father but through HIM. John 14:6
We as Christians are not called to compromise or find common Ground. Did God accept Common Ground with Idol worship?
Should we be open to witchcraft, and LGBTQ and Molech and Baal?
You said the following below:
I just have a quick question for everyone to consider. What is it that unifies the Christian faith? What is it that Christians are doing to impact the world in a positive way. I would also include non trinitarians in this discussion, as well as what many may consider to be cult like Christianity. Such as mormonism. I wanna know what unifies all Christians, followers, and believers in Jesus Christ, regardless of belife or religon.
I wanna know how we all can come together to make a positive impact.
I also believe that many non-believers want to know the same thing, and want to see this happening within the Christian community. For non believers to consider christianity as a valid example and somthing worthwhile to be part of. Unfortunately, it seems that most people who are Christian, are just focused on their own salvation, and what they believe is right, and coming against what they believe is wrong.
I don't believe that this is really a good example of how to be a Christian, and a follower of Jesus Christ.
Could you please shed some light on this for me?
The unfortunate truth is that a lot of times I am embarrassed to call myself a Christian or to say that I'm a follower Christ, when the example is that Christians can't seem to be unified and disagree amongst themselves. We then claim that, our god is powerful that he's mighty and does great things, but pur god can't unify his people or clear up all the confusion. When you look at what's going on in the Christian community, typically the impression is the Christian churches are full of gossip, that they are mean and bigoted, and they are hypocritical, demanding that people do what they themselves are not able to do.
You have formulated a bias against Christians. much of what you said here is opinionated not truth. You also come from the position of Universalism and what many LGBTQ so-called churches uses to attack Christianity.
1. There i no common Ground with GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus said HE is the only way, the only truth and the only life. No one goes to the Father but through HIM. John 14:6
We as Christians are not called to compromise or find common Ground. Did God accept Common Ground with Idol worship?
Should we be open to witchcraft, and LGBTQ and Molech and Baal?
You will answer to IS Jesus God yes or no. IF not that is your answer. To not affirm in the yes is a no.
It's simple being conservative is a Good thing when understanding Paul would reap what Jesus sowed in him, and he wouldn't when he never.
But most of the time he did what was right, he lived his life, by living what Jesus sowed in him.
Sometimes in fear of himself other time struggling to control himself as the lord spoke in his heart.
Then he would write about the conflict between the flesh and the spirit in him. He was a shining example for us all.
Is this wasting your time sir ?
on that note was any one in the word of God different? No. That can be said of Peter and all the prophets. Jesus is the only who did not sin. As He is God . Do you believe that ?
Will you allow for Jesus to speak for Paul in his writings m
Or in another sense can you take the the lord away from Paul even when he was not being perfect where was Jesus,
He was still in is heart
Do you understand his writings where also diaries of his walk and instruction from Christ.
Again, I think that people misunderstand Paul when he's talking about the death and resurrection in Jesus being the lamb that was sacrificed for the forgiveness of sins. Yes, this is true, but this is not to get us off the hook. This is not a scapegoat here. What this means is that by putting our faith in Jesus and through his death and resurrection and as the paied atonement once and for all, we no longer need to partake in animal sacrifice, and therefore, we can live out the words of Jesus through repentance and baptism and be forgiven and reconciled with God. We then we no longer need a priest or a holy mountain or a temple or the holy of holies to be with God and forgiven of our sins. But if you have accepted this in faith, then you also need to walk out your faith in obedience to Christ. This only pertains to the law of love not the law of man. Paul is very careful about distinguishing and discerning and dividing these laws. He's saying the law of man through traditions and vainrepresentationand lip service you no longer need to follow. Uou are free of these laws but the law love, you must follow if you are going to be reconciled with God. It is only through god's grace that one is able to do it. Through much strain and effort , one can run the race and be victorious.
They are the words of Paul who was inspired to write them by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is The Word.
The last part you wrote it is by his his grace
Was it your love in your heart for him or was it his love he sowed in your heart.
It was through the love that God has shown me.That's how we're supposed to share his love.But it has to begin with belief. Our works are proof of our faith and that which is rooted in your faith is what you believe , so , if you're beliefs are not right , then your faith will be corrupted and your works will then be bad fruit. That's why paul said it's important that we test him with scripture to see that we are in the right faith. And that our fruit is proof of our faith. Belief does not require action, but faith does require action. They go hand in hand. Therefore, to have faith and no works you would then be dead in your faith , because you're going to do what you have faith in, and you're going to develop your faith based on what you believe. So those who are unable to follow the law , it's due to a lack of faith because they're belief is an error. So, to say all I need to do is believe in Jesus Christ and his death and resurrection and I will be saved. If you're not developing your faith and showing good fruit then what you believe is useless, because you have no faith. You therefore are not acting righteously through gods grace because you refuse to believe and you doubt.
no one can say there saved unless by the spirit m
You know that I take it, or can you put that into context for me
It's the Holy Spirit that leads and guides you into all truth. Therefore, one must discern and test the spirit to see if it's the right spirit. 1 John goes into this, and it is only through gods grace that we are able to act righteously and be loving, but one cannot develop their faith unless they first believe. Your belief is not the end result of righteousness, the end result of righteousness is faith and good works. Therefore, if your works are bad and your fruit is bad, then your belief is an error and you need to seek out the Holy Spirit to correct you and guide you in the way thats true. Once the Holy Spirit leads and guides you in the way of truth you discern what is a God and what is man and you hold fast to what is God and believe. You will then develop a faith that will produce good works and fruit. It is then that you know that you're in the right faith.
So the saved will express belief by the spirit
But the unsaved won't they'll do it by themselves is that it ?
K well Only if the lords pudding is in the proof.
Can't be if the it just your proof in the pudding for His proof
But anyhow enjoy your walk.
Lol. Yes , your works is the proof in the pudding that validate your faith , which is built on the foundation of your belief