The thief that was promised paradise

[Ouch]

You're not making any sense.
And it certainly is necessary.

The thief died like then, so could not work for him.

We can, make sence?

No it's not necessary for me anyway, when JESUS was on this earth he forgave sins.

Today he left us a rule book for how we get our sins forgiven. Acts 2:38.

You have this at the bottow of your post,

Debunking The Jesus Myth:
Unveiling The Truth For Believers

So I asked, what is debunking the JESUS myth?

 

[Doll]

So I asked, what is debunking the JESUS myth?

Click the link and find out.

 

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Click the link and find out.

LOL, I didn't know it was a link.

I also didn't know there is a lot of people who thought HE was a myth.

I think it's good, my main focus is sharing the foundation of being reborn.

Believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and pray for JESUS to fill us with HIS spirit like HE did HIS disciples in Acts 2:4. John 3:5, Acts 2:38.

Today there are so many people that think all you need to do is believe, or saved my faith or grace alone, or say this prayer and your saved, baptism is for show, Paul preached a different message etc.

Satan's plan keep them out of the water, if they get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.

Of course if they don't believe JESUS is even real why would they think Hell is also, so I think that like has a real good purpose thank you.

BUT HIS disagrees with GOD being three persons, it's sad to me that it is a fundamental belief as the trinity started in the year 325 by men.

There is only ONE GOD and HIS name is JESUS, if there were three persons they would all have names.

I'm not asking you but what are they?

The mystery of 3 different persons is debunked here.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Maybe now you can see, that is what I mean by we can work for HIM today.

GOD BLESS.

 

[Suze]

Okay man. To see who hung beside Jesus who Jesus told today he would dwell with him in Paradise. I go to a different website so I can learn how to talk to people to witness. Now I believe everything Jesus says. I had pastors on there get mad cuz I would argue with them. They claim since Jesus was not in Paradise that day then there's no way that the thief went to heaven. Now the thief claimed he was worthy of his death because of his wrong which is a sign of repentance. He did not ask Christ to take him down off the cross and claim his innocence. He said Christ was innocent his claim more or less sorry about paraphrasing. Anyway lots of commentaries say on Bible hub that the thief did inherit Paradise. So it's hard to believe so many theologians and so many people out there say that the thief did go to heaven. I'm not trying to knock anybody. I've been argued with claiming that the thief had no life service to Christ. Sounds to me like some pastors have an issue with somebody getting saved at the last minute. I believe Jesus can save anybody at any point in their life. Any comments I'm open I'm not going to argue with you like I did on quora though.

This thief , was not condemned to death under Jewish law . The penalty for thievery was not death . Obviously , it must have been the Roman law that he had broken and been condemned under , not Jewish law . I think this is significant . The thief did not deserve death in the eyes of Jewish law so , could that also mean that the thief did not deserve death in God's eyes either ? God gave the Jews His laws for them to follow , doesn't this mean that those laws were a reflection of God's righteous judgement ? If so , the thief should not have been crucified . The Romans wanted him dead .
In Luke ch23 v 40 , the thief implies that he fears God even if the other condemned man doesn't .
In v 41 he confessed that he is a sinner but is he referring to his thievery ( that doesn't incur the death penalty ) or is he just talking about himself as a sinful human in general , the sinfulness that is in all of us . Next , he confesses that Jesus is completely innocent , sinless in fact .
In v 42 , he calls Jesus Lord and admits / confesses that he knows that Jesus is going to revieve a kingdom , he's not going to hell or to b left in the grave etc . Jesus is going to receive a kingdom ! How does he know all these things about Jesus ? He also asks to b remembered by Jesus in that day , implying that he knows there is a possibility that he himself , might actually have a chance at being there , with Jesus . It seems this thief must have either had a recent and direct revelation about who Jesus is or , at some point , he has heard and believed the gospel but , this has not been enough to avoid the sentence if death , already passed by the Romans . So , in many ways , the thief represents us as Christians . Even Christians have to die , even though they may not have broken a law that requires death ( under the Mosaic law ) , we r all under the same condemnation wether or not we have actually commited a sin that's worthy of the punishment of death or not , sin is still sin , it's all bad !
The only way to circumvent this condemnation is , to acknowledge our sinful nature , repent and ask God to forgive us , which is now possible for us to do because we have access to God through prayer , through our Sinless High Priest in heaven , Jesus Christ who did no sin and , willingly offered himself as the perfect sacrifice for sin . Any and all who believe in the work that he did , through God's Holy Spirit , can and will , and in fact already has , passed from death ( the living death of the atheist and idolater ) to eternal life in Christ . We r alive unto God forever , we live in and through Christ . Atheists and idolaters r spiritually dead . We have been washed clean by the blood of the lamb . We shall not only meet our Redeemer face to face but , we shall meet that man , he is as clean as any of us r let's not call him thief , let's call him brother .

 

[Gideon300]

Okay man. To see who hung beside Jesus who Jesus told today he would dwell with him in Paradise. I go to a different website so I can learn how to talk to people to witness. Now I believe everything Jesus says. I had pastors on there get mad cuz I would argue with them. They claim since Jesus was not in Paradise that day then there's no way that the thief went to heaven. Now the thief claimed he was worthy of his death because of his wrong which is a sign of repentance. He did not ask Christ to take him down off the cross and claim his innocence. He said Christ was innocent his claim more or less sorry about paraphrasing. Anyway lots of commentaries say on Bible hub that the thief did inherit Paradise. So it's hard to believe so many theologians and so many people out there say that the thief did go to heaven. I'm not trying to knock anybody. I've been argued with claiming that the thief had no life service to Christ. Sounds to me like some pastors have an issue with somebody getting saved at the last minute. I believe Jesus can save anybody at any point in their life. Any comments I'm open I'm not going to argue with you like I did on quora though.

Some people make salvation a formula with a checklist that must be conformed to. God is not like that. Jesus saw the man's heart and decided to save him. The message Philip preached to the Ethiopian eunuch was not the same as Peter preached on the day of Pentecost or what Paul preached in Athens. Salvation is of our God, not according to man's ideas.

 

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Some people make salvation a formula with a checklist that must be conformed to. God is not like that. Jesus saw the man's heart and decided to save him. The message Philip preached to the Ethiopian eunuch was not the same as Peter preached on the day of Pentecost or what Paul preached in Athens. Salvation is of our God, not according to man's ideas.

Of course you can think anything you like, but to think the way you do you have to leave a lot of scripture out.

Can sin enter heaven? How do we get rid of it? Using scripture?

 

[rewriter]

Of course you can think anything you like, but to think the way you do you have to leave a lot of scripture out.

Can sin enter heaven? How do we get rid of it? Using scripture?

Sin cannot enter heaven, but the only way to get rid of sin is through the action of God completely eradicating it from us, and that cannot happen while we are still physical beings.

 

[Ouch]

Sin cannot enter heaven, but the only way to get rid of sin is through the action of God completely eradicating it from us, and that cannot happen while we are still physical beings.

You are right sin will NOT enter Heaven, but you say the rest of that like it a fact?

Can you explain what these verse say and mean?

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Acts 22:16
King James Version
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Specific instructions for us today, why are they in HIS rule book?

 

[Psalm1]

I can understand what you mean, but he didn't do any thing for JESUS after he was forgiven.

Since we can judge people by their fruits, did he have any?

Do you think after we are reborn we are all on the same level?

My thoughts are the ones who work for JESUS more, like a bible preaching pastor who is on a mission to baptize as many people as he can in JESUS name and under him people get filled with the Holy Ghost would be in a better standing with JESUS then a person who gets reborn and does very little?

The standing Is the same (covenant family member)
The difference is the rewards.

 

[Psalm1]

John 3:13
No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.

Daniel 12:2
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29
Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

The dead resurrected after the crucifixion.https://youtube.com/shorts/jAExUmUwx4o?si=QeEkg0WfY36N0LX1

The debate is convincing on both sides.
Soul sleep vs in heaven, in God's presence.
Both sides sell a convincing argument.
What was that brother doing in heaven that told John not to worship him?

What did Paul mean when he said " to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"?
The rich man and Lazarus?

Soul sleep becomes impossible to reconcile.

 

[rewriter]

You are right sin will NOT enter Heaven, but you say the rest of that like it a fact?

Can you explain what these verse say and mean?

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Acts 22:16
King James Version
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Specific instructions for us today, why are they in HIS rule book?

Remission of sins, sins are forgiven, but simple forgiveness does not mean that we humans will stop sinning until we are perfected, and we will not be perfected in our physical bodies. "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" 1 John 1:8 (NIV)

 

[Ouch]

Remission of sins, sins are forgiven, but simple forgiveness does not mean that we humans will stop sinning until we are perfected, and we will not be perfected in our physical bodies. "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" 1 John 1:8 (NIV)

When are remission of sins forgiven?

Why didn't you address those verses? Do you disagree with them?

All of scripture has to fit together, so how does Acts 2:38, 22:16 fit with 1 John which I agree with?

Keep these in mind that the below scriptures go with Acts 2:38, 22:16 and need to go with 1 John also.

JESUS SAID,
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

JESUS SAID,
Mark 16:16-17
King James Version
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Example of being filled with the spirit.

Acts 2:4
King James Version
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

According to JESUS we need both, "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God"

If you notice I'm sharing scripture not my opinion.

 

[rewriter]

When are remission of sins forgiven?

Why didn't you address those verses? Do you disagree with them?

All of scripture has to fit together, so how does Acts 2:38, 22:16 fit with 1 John which I agree with?

Keep these in mind that the below scriptures go with Acts 2:38, 22:16 and need to go with 1 John also.

JESUS SAID,
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

JESUS SAID,
Mark 16:16-17
King James Version
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Example of being filled with the spirit.

Acts 2:4
King James Version
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

According to JESUS we need both, "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God"

If you notice I'm sharing scripture not my opinion.

You quote verses that relate to future events in the life of a believer, I quoted events that are true in the daily life of that same believer. We WILL someday be welcomed into heaven, but in the meantime, while we are still physical beings, sin is ever present within us, just forgiven as we seek forgiveness.

 

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You quote verses that relate to future events in the life of a believer, I quoted events that are true in the daily life of that same believer. We WILL someday be welcomed into heaven, but in the meantime, while we are still physical beings, sin is ever present within us, just forgiven as we seek forgiveness.

No, you could not be more wrong.

If they are future why did JESUS say can't enter without both???

That is why you haven't backup up your thoughts with scripture, except for 1, 1 John which does no good unless you have been reborn.

Let me explain, we sinners are heading to hell unless we repent, and get baptrized in JESUS name to remove our sins and we need JESUS to fill us with his spirit like HE did HIS disciples.

Then we still are not sceure to Heaven we have to do HIS will!!

During the time after we have been reborn (above and all of the scripture befor posted) then when we sin that is when 1 John comes into play all we need to do is repent and confess our sins.

Satans plan, keep them out of the water, if they get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.

GOD is no joke, we MUST follow HIS WORD to be reborn.

 

[rewriter]

So, not only was John wrong about the fact that believers continue to sin, but Paul was likewise when he referenced believers sinning and that believers would be perfected at some point in the future.

Believers are forgiven sinners, continually in need of more forgiveness as they strive to avoid sin, but they are not perfected so that they will succeed until God intervenes at the end.

As for following God's word, at what point in time, and by whom, was the entirety of His word set in stone? The only actions claiming to qualify that I am aware of were taken by sinful humans, at least sometimes for political reasons such as in the 16th century when the Protestants and Catholics split as to what books belonged in the Old Testament. In case you didn't know, the Protestants were going to include the books called the "Apocrypha" since the Catholics were not certain about them, until they noticed one specific verse that could support a Catholic view they did not like, and so they dismissed them. Since the Protestants did not like these works, the Catholics finally accepted them. And please note, this does not address the various known versions of the Old Testament that existed at the time of Jesus and the apostles, some of which were rejected because the Romans likely would not approve after the 1st Jewish War.

 

[Ouch]

So, not only was John wrong about the fact that believers continue to sin, but Paul was likewise when he referenced believers sinning and that believers would be perfected at some point in the future.

Believers are forgiven sinners, continually in need of more forgiveness as they strive to avoid sin, but they are not perfected so that they will succeed until God intervenes at the end.

As for following God's word, at what point in time, and by whom, was the entirety of His word set in stone? The only actions claiming to qualify that I am aware of were taken by sinful humans, at least sometimes for political reasons such as in the 16th century when the Protestants and Catholics split as to what books belonged in the Old Testament. In case you didn't know, the Protestants were going to include the books called the "Apocrypha" since the Catholics were not certain about them, until they noticed one specific verse that could support a Catholic view they did not like, and so they dismissed them. Since the Protestants did not like these works, the Catholics finally accepted them. And please note, this does not address the various known versions of the Old Testament that existed at the time of Jesus and the apostles, some of which were rejected because the Romans likely would not approve after the 1st Jewish War.

No John and Paul was not wrong, as I include 1 John in my example.

Tell me, be great if you used scripture what do we have to do to be reborn?

I shared scripture with you so I'm thinking you think there is a different way.

GOD'S word is set in stone, we can not alter it matter a fact if we change ONE WORD this is what happens.

Revelation 22:18-19
King James Version
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I don't discuss specific denominations since they are all man made, I just stick to HIS word.

Why follow men when we have JESUS and HIS word to follow, any time men get involved they mess things up due to our sinful nature.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
King James Version
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

HIS word is inspired and we don't need anything else, if HE wanted the Apocrypha to be in it, it would have been.

So tell me, what do we have to do to be reborn.

 

[Doll]

The debate is convincing on both sides.
Soul sleep vs in heaven, in God's presence.
Both sides sell a convincing argument.
What was that brother doing in heaven that told John not to worship him?

What did Paul mean when he said " to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"?
The rich man and Lazarus?

Soul sleep becomes impossible to reconcile.

Lazarus was still in the tomb when Jesus resurrected him.


We'll all find out in due time what's what.

 

[rewriter]

No John and Paul was not wrong, as I include 1 John in my example.

Tell me, be great if you used scripture what do we have to do to be reborn?

I shared scripture with you so I'm thinking you think there is a different way.

GOD'S word is set in stone, we can not alter it matter a fact if we change ONE WORD this is what happens.

Revelation 22:18-19
King James Version
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I don't discuss specific denominations since they are all man made, I just stick to HIS word.

Why follow men when we have JESUS and HIS word to follow, any time men get involved they mess things up due to our sinful nature.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
King James Version
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

HIS word is inspired and we don't need anything else, if HE wanted the Apocrypha to be in it, it would have been.

So tell me, what do we have to do to be reborn.

One easy point to counter is about the Apocrypha. Some Christian churches do accept the Apocrypha as scripture how do you know that the Protestants have it right and all those who include it have it wrong? And a related point, the OT was taken straight from a purely Jewish listing, one that ignored other versions, are you claiming that the Jews got that right when they excluded versions that Jesus and other early church writers used?

On the other point, I think you are confusing my point about the reality of the life of the believer and instead trying to make it about becoming a believer. Non-believers are sinners who have not sought forgiveness and see no need to, believers are sinners who have sought and recognize their continuing need to keep seeking forgiveness. Forgiveness for yesterday's sins is not the same as forgiveness for today's sins.

 

[Ouch]

One easy point to counter is about the Apocrypha. Some Christian churches do accept the Apocrypha as scripture how do you know that the Protestants have it right and all those who include it have it wrong? And a related point, the OT was taken straight from a purely Jewish listing, one that ignored other versions, are you claiming that the Jews got that right when they excluded versions that Jesus and other early church writers used?

On the other point, I think you are confusing my point about the reality of the life of the believer and instead trying to make it about becoming a believer. Non-believers are sinners who have not sought forgiveness and see no need to, believers are sinners who have sought and recognize their continuing need to keep seeking forgiveness. Forgiveness for yesterday's sins is not the same as forgiveness for today's sins.

So your saying that we need more than GOD'S word to figure out GOD'S word?

Just as JESUS told HIS disciples not to go out without the Holy Ghost neither should we.

So FYI, I shared how to be reborn. Acts 2:38

Alos included with how to be reborn was an example of receiving the Holy Ghost.

As JESUS said we need both to Enter.

I'm confused why you don't know what we have to do to be reborn.

Acts is the building of the church, it has all we need to know in that book.

Have YOU received the Holy GHost since you have believed?

How were YOU baptized?

 

[Blade]

Okay man. To see who hung beside Jesus who Jesus told today he would dwell with him in Paradise. I go to a different website so I can learn how to talk to people to witness. Now I believe everything Jesus says. I had pastors on there get mad cuz I would argue with them. They claim since Jesus was not in Paradise that day then there's no way that the thief went to heaven. Now the thief claimed he was worthy of his death because of his wrong which is a sign of repentance. He did not ask Christ to take him down off the cross and claim his innocence. He said Christ was innocent his claim more or less sorry about paraphrasing. Anyway lots of commentaries say on Bible hub that the thief did inherit Paradise. So it's hard to believe so many theologians and so many people out there say that the thief did go to heaven. I'm not trying to knock anybody. I've been argued with claiming that the thief had no life service to Christ. Sounds to me like some pastors have an issue with somebody getting saved at the last minute. I believe Jesus can save anybody at any point in their life. Any comments I'm open I'm not going to argue with you like I did on quora though.

We share what Christ has is doing in our life. Some don't know the good news that Christ came to set them free.. He died for them He loved them so much. That is the good news. As for the thief or anything like this.. always going to be some that disagree we do love to know what we personally believe is the real truth huh I don't argue or debate .. kindly disagree and heres why I will say. What is written? Today you will be with me in paradise.