The Way of Salvation and Eternal Life

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No one claims salvation is by works but James does say can hbis completed by works. If faith needs completion then by definition it is not sufficient for salvation
Was Abraham's faith insufficient to save him in Genesis 15:6 when Abraham believed in the Lord and God accounted his faith to him as righteousness? (Also see Romans 4:2-3) or did he remain a lost man until many years later, after he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22? What do you believe "completed by works" means?
 
SDA or not there are folks here who make a lot of the same arguments that SDA's make in regard to the law, 10 commandments, sabbath day etc..
what if they are right? can you prove they are wrong?using scripture? also where are SDA wrong regarding the Commandments in a few lines? so I know what you speak about.
 
Was Abraham's faith insufficient to save him in Genesis 15:6 when Abraham believed in the Lord and God accounted his faith to him as righteousness? (Also see Romans 4:2-3) or did he remain a lost man until many years later, after he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22? What do you believe "completed by works" means?
Why was he saved? faith alone or did always obey God's commands? in this instance to sacrifice his own son, do you see here here was testing Abram's faith AND Obedience?

God tested Abraham to see if his faith and obedience were real. This is shown from the beginning of the story. “Now it came to pass after these things that God tested Abraham, and said to him, ‘Abraham!’ And he said, ‘Here I am.’ Then He said, ‘Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you’” (Genesis 22:1–2). The Bible makes it clear that this was a test from God.

Abraham obeyed at once, showing that he trusted God completely. “So Abraham rose early in the morning… and went to the place of which God had told him” (Genesis 22:3). Even before reaching the mountain, Abraham spoke with confidence that God would still keep His promise. “Stay here with the donkey; the lad and I will go yonder and worship, and we will come back to you” (Genesis 22:5). His words show faith, not doubt.

As they climbed the mountain, Isaac asked about the sacrifice, and Abraham again showed trust in God. “My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering” (Genesis 22:7–8). Abraham believed that God would make a way.

Abraham then prepared the altar and was ready to obey fully. “And Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son” (Genesis 22:9–10). At that very moment, God stopped him. “But the Angel of the LORD called to him from heaven and said, ‘Abraham, Abraham!… Do not lay your hand on the lad… for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me’” (Genesis 22:11–12). God did not want Isaac’s death. He wanted Abraham’s heart.

Then God provided a ram in Isaac’s place. “Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket… and offered it up… instead of his son” (Genesis 22:13). God Himself provided the offering.

After this, God repeated His promise and linked it directly to Abraham’s obedience. “By Myself I have sworn, says the LORD… because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son… in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice (Genesis 22:16–18).

The story shows clearly that God tested Abraham’s faith and obedience. Abraham trusted God, obeyed Him, and God blessed him even more because he listened to His voice. We should do the same and Listen to what Jesus teaches us, always!
 
James simply says that people should be doers of the words of Christ, and.by good deeds prove your faith, it does not say works or deeds will save you. first you have to believe then obey Christ commands.

Do you follow the TEN commandments?

stop lying here about everything I say this is not appropriate. All I say in my posts is accompanied by scripture in the proper context. and anyone can easily prove that what I write is correct.

I follow the words of Christ. Isn't that what you say to do?:oops:

As for scripture, well, if you consider twisting scripture and taking it out of context and doing mashups of unrealted scripture as proof of your being correct, then be aware most people here do not think you are correct when it comes to the commandments or how they play a part in salvation, according to you.

Once again, Jesus is the creator of the New Covenant according to the will of God whose is just and merciful. The commandments, while valid, are not the structure whereby a person becomes a Christian or believer in God's plan of salvation.

Are you a Christian?
 
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prove what you say and give me scripture! and yes we are under God's mercy. but what you wrote:'""Claiming the commandments are the covenant, as you know you have done, is NOT salvation."" was not the point of the previous post why do you bring this here? to speak against me who tells you the truth that you find inconvenient? the other post was just about teaching that the ten COMMANDMENTS are the Covenant as God declared and are distinct from the Law of Moses.

You hate everything I write so much that you mix everything together, by your lies you prevent others to find the truth, not my truth but what the bible actually teaches.

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Are you a different person than the one who created the 10 commandments are the covenant thread? I think you are the same; you certainly sound just as angry. So, then you can just go back there and start reading because myself and others did not just give you scripture, we gave you entire passages.

Which you just ignored. You ignore any scripture that does not agree with your commandment renderings. Like this:

5For concerning the righteousness that is by the law, Moses writes: “The man who does these things will live by them.”a 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’b (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or, ‘Who will descend into the Abyss?’c (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”

8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”d that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.

11It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”e 12For there is no difference between Jew and Greek: The same Lord is Lord of all, and gives richly to all who call on Him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Romans 10

So, do you add to what the word says? We read above and throughout Romans, that we must believe in Christ in order to be saved. There is no command to observe the Sabbath or to follow the 10 commandments as an addition to Jesus sacrifice.

IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH does not mean repeat the 10 commandments and verbally acknowledge them.

BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART does not mean practice the law.

Now, if you do confess Jesus with your mouth and you do believe in your heart that He is your Savior, according to the scripture above, you are saved.
 
You hate everything I write so much that you mix everything together, by your lies you prevent others to find the truth, not my truth but what the bible actually teaches.

1Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is for their salvation. 2For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge. 3Because they were ignorant of God’s righteousness and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes.

I believe the scripture above written by Paul in a letter to the Romans. Paul plainly states that IGNORANCE makes people try to create their own righteousness and they do not submit to God's righteousness.

Christ is the end of the law to bring righteousness to everyone who believes. He does not say the law creates righteousness, well actually the law creates awareness of sin and condemns all to death who cannot keep it to perfection, but that was all covered in your commandment thread, which you very well know.

So, if you still want to call me a liar, it seems you also call Paul a liar and perhaps the Holy Spirit who inspired him.

I think you are bordering on blasphemy here., not for anything you say about me, but because you refuse and have refused multiple times, to acknowledge what scripture actually says and continue on with your false posts about the commandments and how they are the actual covenant with God.
 
You didn't really answer my question did you?

If you were not trying so hard to be a smart aleck, you would have seen I did answer you. With Scripture.
Post 34, check it out. If you cannot address that scripture, I do not believe I need to deal with your attempts
to 'catch me up'.
 
The message was intended to those who follow Christ and keep his words.It was NOT for you.
Oooh, you must have been up all night thinking that one up. I'm sorry that you reject the plain teaching of the New Testament. Maybe one day you will see the truth. "He who thinks he stands, beware lest he fall." That's in the Bible too. 1 Corinthians 10:12
 
Beloved of God who believe in Christ and keep His words, grace to you and peace from God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I write to you concerning the most essential matter of life, the way to remain saved and possess eternal life. There is but one way, one truth, and one life, and it is through our Lord Jesus Christ. As He Himself said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6, NKJV).

Salvation is not by works, so that no one may boast, but by grace through faith. We are saved when we believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross, trusting Him as the Son of God who bore our sins, died in our place, and rose again for our justification. The apostle Paul said, “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9, NKJV).

Those who are saved are not those who simply call themselves believers, but those who have genuinely received Christ into their hearts. They are those who have been born again, born of the Spirit, and sealed with the Holy Spirit. Just as Jesus told Nicodemus, “Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3, NKJV). The evidence of being born again is a transformed life—one that turns away from sin and follows Christ.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16, NKJV). The promise is clear: eternal life belongs to those who believe in Jesus Christ, who abide in His word, and who live according to His commands.

You who are saved, hold fast to the faith. Do not depart from the path that leads to life. The Scripture says, “But he who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13, NKJV). Your salvation is secure, but only as long as you remain in Him, for “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned” (John 15:6, NKJV).

The Danger of Not Keeping God’s Word

But woe to those who hear the word and do not keep it, for they will not inherit eternal life. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21, NKJV).

You must understand, beloved, that salvation is not merely a verbal profession; it is a life surrendered to God, lived out in obedience to His Word. Many in this world hear the gospel, and many even profess to know God, but they do not do His will. This is the danger of a heart that does not submit to His Word.

Consider the parable of the sower (Matthew 13:3-9). Some hear the word of God, but their hearts are like the path where the seed is sown and quickly snatched away by the enemy. These are those who hear the gospel but do not hold fast to it, and so they are lost.

Others receive the word with joy, but when trials and tribulations arise, they fall away. These are those who do not endure to the end. They may seem to believe for a time, but when faced with difficulty, they abandon the faith, showing that their belief was not deep-rooted.

Then, there are those whose hearts are like the thorny ground. They receive the word, but the cares of this life, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful (Mark 4:18-19). These are the people whose love for the world exceeds their love for God, and as a result, they bear no fruit of righteousness.

Finally, there are those whose hearts are like good soil, those who hear the word, understand it, and keep it, and bear fruit in their lives (Matthew 13:23). These are the ones who will inherit eternal life, for they keep the word of Christ and endure in it.

As Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15, NKJV). The word of God is clear: to be saved, one must not only hear but obey His word. Those who do not keep God’s word, whose hearts are hardened, whose lives are unfruitful, will not inherit the kingdom of God. Their end will be like the foolish man who built his house on the sand. When the storms came, it fell, and great was its fall (Matthew 7:26-27).

The Lord also warned us with another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way” (Matthew 13:24-25, NKJV). The tares represent those who are among the true believers but are not genuinely saved. They look like believers on the outside, but they do not bear the fruit of the kingdom of God. In the end, the angels will gather the tares and cast them into the fire. So, it is with those who do not keep God’s word.

Let this be clear: eternal life is promised to those who remain in Christ, who live by His word, and who endure to the end. “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me” (John 14:21, NKJV). The love of God is not a feeling or a mere verbal declaration; it is seen in action, in obedience to His word.

To Keep God’s Word and Inherit Eternal Life

Therefore, beloved, let us not be hearers only, deceiving ourselves, but doers of the word (James 1:22). Let us continue in the faith, steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that our labor is not in vain in Him (1 Corinthians 15:58). Remember, Jesus has promised eternal life to those who remain faithful to His word, and He is able to keep us from stumbling and present us faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy (Jude 24).

Be encouraged, be diligent, and continue to press forward toward the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:14). For it is written, “And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life” (1 John 2:25, NKJV). Keep His word, endure in faith, and you will inherit the eternal life He has promised.

Grace and peace be with you.

Wait...

'He who endures to the end will be saved '

What is the context of this Matthew 24 verse?

Its about deliverance from trials and tribulations for a particular people, during end times.

This verse is not about receiving and having eternal life.

The Book of John is...

This verse isn't!
 
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I like song by a Church I have the album..its older but on it its live and he talks about this 4y boy who asked Jesus in to his heart. Then asks the little boy what that was like he said "it was like a washing machine on the in side". The man said "he was just 4 years old". That as not lol what I wanted to say. He said there were so many people there he would never get to met to talk to and oh how he would just love to met each one. Something I am very very bad at. Really wish I knew more.

Reading some posts I find OP it would be so much better if we listened some of them (the ones I read allot of posts) are very wise be foolish, unwise not to listen. A free choice

Did we know Christ said when He walked this earth as they were all living by and under the law.. no Christians yet no Church..just something to think on. He said "I give me sheep eternally life" Yeah John 10. I am clueles how to "give that" which was freely given.. I can't touch it feel it.. a gift .. and if we know Him He never takes His gifts back "God does not take back his gifts. He does not change his mind about those he has chosen. "

The song.. Oh how He loves you and me....oh how He loves you and me.. He gave his life, what more could he give?
Oh, how He loves you; Oh, how he loves me; Oh, how he loves you and me.
 
Salvation is not by works, so that no one may boast, but by grace through faith. We are saved when we believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross, trusting Him as the Son of God who bore our sins, died in our place, and rose again for our justification. The apostle Paul said, “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9, NKJV).

I agree.
 
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Wait...

'He who endures to the end will be saved '

What is the context of this Matthew 24 verse?

Its about deliverance from trials and tribulations for a particular people, during end times.

This verse is not about receiving and having eternal life.

The Book of John is...

This verse isn't!
BINGO.

And all believers have eternal life............The loss of salvation crowd has not INHERITED this TRUTH yet.

I pray they do, because I am sure they are losing many blessings by bringing Him SHAME.
 
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If this is true, "...we do not have to fear and we can be assured we will not be turned away when the time comes." then why does Paul tell us to, work out our salvation in fear and trembling?
Notice in Philippians 2:12 that Paul said to "work out" your salvation and NOT "work for" your salvation. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work out" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ.

This conforming to Christ involves the work of the person, but it is still God working in the believer to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified by faith. In verse 13, Paul goes on to say, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." Ongoing sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (which we won't) we are still justified by faith in Christ. (Romans 5:1) Where justification is a legal declaration that is instantaneous, ongoing sanctification is a process.

In regard to "fear and trembling," it pertains to a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and a righteous awe and respect or reverence for Him. (Proverbs 1:7; Psalm 2:11; Psalm 34:9; Isaiah 66:2) Not fear of God as if He is an unloving tyrant. Paul uses the same phrase "fear and trembling" in 2 Corinthians 7:15 in which he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the reception of him by the Corinthians "with fear and trembling," that is, with humility and respect for his position as a minister of Jesus Christ. In 1 Corinthians 2:3, we see that Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in "weakness and fear, and with much trembling" in regard to the huge responsibility and critical importance of the work in which he was engaged.
 
what if they are right? can you prove they are wrong? using scripture? also where are SDA wrong regarding the Commandments in a few lines? so I know what you speak about.
What if they are right about salvation being by grace plus law, faith plus works? (Galatians 1:6-9) Not a chance. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:2-6; 11:6; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) I just proved they are wrong using scripture.

SDAs place a lot of emphasis on obeying the 10 Commandments, particularly the 4th Commandment. Their whole end-time eschatology is built upon a final conflict being played out in the end and the battle lines have been drawn over the 4th Commandment. According to them, the conflict over the Sabbath is the final conflict between good and evil, and it is the separating wall that divides "loyal" Christians who will be saved from "disloyal" Christians who will receive the mark of the beast for worshipping on Sunday instead of Saturday. With all this emphasis being placed upon keeping the Sabbath day as a legalistic prescription for salvation, it's no wonder that SDAs have a tendency to get bogged down in legalism.

Ellen G White adds to the problem with some of her legalistic statements such as these:

The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God.

To obey the commandments of God is the only way to obtain His favor.

Man must be reconciled to God through obedience to His law.

Yet Scripture teaches that works based performance has no part in earning God's favor or His reconciliation. There is a danger in any religious philosophy that depends on the efforts of man to obtain, maintain and merit salvation based on works.

According to John, the number one commandment was not Sabbath-worship, but for us to love one another. (1 John 3:21-24; 5:2-3) Christians find their 'sabbatismos' rest in Christ (Hebrews 4:9) in contrast with keeping the weekly sabbath day (Colossians 2:16-17) under the law of Moses for Israel. (Exodus 31:16; Deuteronomy 5:12-15)
 
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Wait...

'He who endures to the end will be saved '

What is the context of this Matthew 24 verse?

Its about deliverance from trials and tribulations for a particular people, during end times.

This verse is not about receiving and having eternal life.

The Book of John is...

This verse isn't!
Dear Wattie

When Jesus says "he who endures to the end will be saved" in Matthew 24, He is speaking about the end times, but He is also speaking about salvation, because Jesus always ties endurance and obedience with eternal life, not only escaping trouble.

In Matthew 24:12–13 (NKJV) Jesus says in simple words that because sin will grow, many people’s love will turn cold, but the one who stays faithful until the end will be saved. Jesus is talking about the heart, about faithfulness to God, about standing firm when the world turns dark. That is not only physical protection. It is about staying true to Him so you can enter His kingdom.

In John’s writings, Jesus teaches the same truth. In John 14:21 He says that the one who keeps His word loves Him. In John 8:51 He says, “If anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.” This is eternal life. So endurance and obedience are always connected to salvation.

The Book of Revelation says the same thing again and again. Jesus Himself speaks to His churches and tells them to keep going and to not give up. In Revelation 2:10 He says, Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.” This crown is eternal life. In Revelation 3:10 He tells His faithful ones that because they kept His word, He will keep them in the time of testing. In Revelation 14:12 it says here is the patience of the saints, those who keep God’s commandments and stay faithful to Jesus.

So Matthew 24, John’s Gospel, and Revelation all speak the same message from Jesus. Endurance is not just surviving trouble. It is holding on to Him, keeping His word, loving Him, and staying loyal until the end. And the promise Jesus gives for this is life with Him forever.

Blessings Wattie
 
Why was he saved? faith alone or did always obey God's commands?
Faith in God alone. Genesis 15:5 - Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness. Also see Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness.”

in this instance to sacrifice his own son, do you see here was testing Abram's faith AND Obedience?
Abraham's faith was tested many years after being accounted as righteous and Abraham passed the test, which explains why he was justified (shown to be righteous) by works in James 2:21.

God tested Abraham to see if his faith and obedience were real. This is shown from the beginning of the story. “Now it came to pass after these things that God tested Abraham, and said to him, ‘Abraham!’ And he said, ‘Here I am.’ Then He said, ‘Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you’” (Genesis 22:1–2). The Bible makes it clear that this was a test from God.

Abraham obeyed at once, showing that he trusted God completely. “So Abraham rose early in the morning… and went to the place of which God had told him” (Genesis 22:3). Even before reaching the mountain, Abraham spoke with confidence that God would still keep His promise. “Stay here with the donkey; the lad and I will go yonder and worship, and we will come back to you” (Genesis 22:5). His words show faith, not doubt.

As they climbed the mountain, Isaac asked about the sacrifice, and Abraham again showed trust in God. “My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering” (Genesis 22:7–8). Abraham believed that God would make a way.

Abraham then prepared the altar and was ready to obey fully. “And Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son” (Genesis 22:9–10). At that very moment, God stopped him. “But the Angel of the LORD called to him from heaven and said, ‘Abraham, Abraham!… Do not lay your hand on the lad… for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me’” (Genesis 22:11–12). God did not want Isaac’s death. He wanted Abraham’s heart.

Then God provided a ram in Isaac’s place. “Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket… and offered it up… instead of his son” (Genesis 22:13). God Himself provided the offering.
In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. (James 2:18) That is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was shown to be righteous.

When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6. Abraham was accounted as righteous based on his faith (Genesis 15:6) not his works (Romans 4:2-3) long before he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22.

After this, God repeated His promise and linked it directly to Abraham’s obedience. “By Myself I have sworn, says the LORD… because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son… in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice (Genesis 22:16–18).

The story shows clearly that God tested Abraham’s faith and obedience. Abraham trusted God, obeyed Him, and God blessed him even more because he listened to His voice. We should do the same and Listen to what Jesus teaches us, always!
I find it interesting how you place the biggest emphasis on obedience/works in your post, yet you claim that you don't teach salvation by works. God's promise to Abraham was, "in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice" and NOT your faith has been accounted to you as righteousness based of your obedience/works. *Now be sure not to ignore (Genesis 15:5-6; Romans 4:2-6).
 
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Notice in Philippians 2:12 that Paul said to "work out" your salvation and NOT "work for" your salvation. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work out" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have. The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ.

This conforming to Christ involves the work of the person, but it is still God working in the believer to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified by faith. In verse 13, Paul goes on to say, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." Ongoing sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (which we won't) we are still justified by faith in Christ. (Romans 5:1) Where justification is a legal declaration that is instantaneous, ongoing sanctification is a process.

In regard to "fear and trembling," it pertains to a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and a righteous awe and respect or reverence for Him. (Proverbs 1:7; Psalm 2:11; Psalm 34:9; Isaiah 66:2) Not fear of God as if He is an unloving tyrant. Paul uses the same phrase "fear and trembling" in 2 Corinthians 7:15 in which he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the reception of him by the Corinthians "with fear and trembling," that is, with humility and respect for his position as a minister of Jesus Christ. In 1 Corinthians 2:3, we see that Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in "weakness and fear, and with much trembling" in regard to the huge responsibility and critical importance of the work in which he was engaged.

LMBO did some "pastor" give you that one?! for the one millionth time no one says works save but faith without works is dead. Explain how a dead faith is salvific
 
Faith in God alone. Genesis 15:5 - Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness. Also see Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness.”

Abraham's faith was tested many years after being accounted as righteous and Abraham passed the test, which explains why he was justified (shown to be righteous) by works in James 2:21.

In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. (James 2:18) That is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was shown to be righteous.

When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6. Abraham was accounted as righteous based on his faith (Genesis 15:6) not his works (Romans 4:2-3) long before he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22.

I find it interesting how you place the biggest emphasis on obedience/works in your post, yet you claim that you don't teach salvation by works. God's promise to Abraham was, "in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice" and NOT your faith has been accounted to you as righteousness based of your obedience/works. *Now be sure not to ignore (Genesis 15:5-6; Romans 4:2-6).

In a nutshell, first belief, then faith and obedience. Works come later not for salvation but because our changed heart wants to. It is a process and depends on each person according to the measure of the Holy Spirit they have received, remember the parable of Jesus. Jesus Himself explained this truth in the parable of the talents. He said that a master gave different amounts to each servant “to each according to his own ability,” and then went away. Later the master returned and asked every servant to show what they had done with what he gave. The ones who used what they received and grew it were praised, and the master said to them, “Well done, good and faithful servant… you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things.” But the one who hid what he received and produced nothing was rebuked, and Jesus ended the parable by showing that nothing from God should be wasted. This parable teaches two things. First, each person receives a different measure from God, and God does not expect all to produce the same amount. Second, God expects us to use what He gives, and real growth must produce real fruit.

This matches the rest of Jesus’ teaching. Belief is the beginning, because He said “He who believes in Me has everlasting life.” After belief, faith begins to grow inside the heart step by step. Jesus showed this in another simple picture when He said that “the earth yields crops by itself: first the blade, then the head, after that the full grain.” This means growth is slow at first, then becomes stronger, just like a plant. When faith grows, obedience naturally follows, because Jesus said “If you love Me, keep My commandments,” and “My sheep hear My voice… and they follow Me.” This obedience is not to earn salvation, but because the heart is becoming new. Jesus explained this by saying “A good tree cannot bear bad fruit,” meaning that when the inside is changed, the outside will change too.

The measure of the Holy Spirit’s work is not identical in every person. Jesus said “The wind blows where it wishes… so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” This means the Spirit works in different ways and different timings in each life. Some grow fast, others slow. Some produce more, others less. This is why the parable of the talents is perfect: each servant receives a different amount, but every servant is expected to use what they received. God never compares us with others. He only looks at what we did with our own measure.

All of this shows a simple and beautiful path: first belief, then growing faith, then obedience, and finally works that come from a changed heart. These works do not save us, but they show that the seed Jesus planted is alive.

And Jesus gives strong encouragement as we grow. He said “He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit,”which means if we stay close to Him, our life will change. He comforts us by saying “Let not your heart be troubled,”because He knows our worries and weaknesses. And He gives a promise full of love: Whoever comes to Me I will by no means cast out. So we walk with Him in peace, knowing that He accepts us, He teaches us, and He helps us use the measure He has placed inside us, until our life brings forth the good fruit He desires.

In a nutshell I said... Oh well ...

Also thank you for your detailed message about the SDA, I know now that they are wrong on many things, I hope they do not follow H.G. White, I read something from her a long time ago and I saw wrong things in her writings, she used if i remember correctly some form of automatic writings similar to occult practices at that point I disconnected totally.

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In a nutshell, first belief, then faith and obedience. Works come later not for salvation but because our changed heart wants to. It is a process and depends on each person according to the measure of the Holy Spirit they have received, remember the parable of Jesus. Jesus Himself explained this truth in the parable of the talents. He said that a master gave different amounts to each servant “to each according to his own ability,” and then went away. Later the master returned and asked every servant to show what they had done with what he gave. The ones who used what they received and grew it were praised, and the master said to them, “Well done, good and faithful servant… you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things.” But the one who hid what he received and produced nothing was rebuked, and Jesus ended the parable by showing that nothing from God should be wasted. This parable teaches two things. First, each person receives a different measure from God, and God does not expect all to produce the same amount. Second, God expects us to use what He gives, and real growth must produce real fruit.

This matches the rest of Jesus’ teaching. Belief is the beginning, because He said “He who believes in Me has everlasting life.” After belief, faith begins to grow inside the heart step by step. Jesus showed this in another simple picture when He said that “the earth yields crops by itself: first the blade, then the head, after that the full grain.” This means growth is slow at first, then becomes stronger, just like a plant. When faith grows, obedience naturally follows, because Jesus said “If you love Me, keep My commandments,” and “My sheep hear My voice… and they follow Me.” This obedience is not to earn salvation, but because the heart is becoming new. Jesus explained this by saying “A good tree cannot bear bad fruit,” meaning that when the inside is changed, the outside will change too.

The measure of the Holy Spirit’s work is not identical in every person. Jesus said “The wind blows where it wishes… so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” This means the Spirit works in different ways and different timings in each life. Some grow fast, others slow. Some produce more, others less. This is why the parable of the talents is perfect: each servant receives a different amount, but every servant is expected to use what they received. God never compares us with others. He only looks at what we did with our own measure.

All of this shows a simple and beautiful path: first belief, then growing faith, then obedience, and finally works that come from a changed heart. These works do not save us, but they show that the seed Jesus planted is alive.

And Jesus gives strong encouragement as we grow. He said “He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit,”which means if we stay close to Him, our life will change. He comforts us by saying “Let not your heart be troubled,”because He knows our worries and weaknesses. And He gives a promise full of love: Whoever comes to Me I will by no means cast out. So we walk with Him in peace, knowing that He accepts us, He teaches us, and He helps us use the measure He has placed inside us, until our life brings forth the good fruit He desires.

In a nutshell I said... Oh well ...

Also thank you for your detailed message about the SDA, I know now that they are wrong on many things, I hope they do not follow H.G. White, I read something from her a long time ago and I saw wrong things in her writings, she used if i remember correctly some form of automatic writings similar to occult practices at that point I disconnected totally.

Blessings

But the obedience is a free choice of the will otherwise it's not done out of love. AGAIN James says works complete faith which by definition means solar fida is an error
 
Over the years I've heard numerous SDA's make that claim then turn around and deny it when you call them out on it yet they still end up teaching "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works."

SDA's can be very cunning! Here is an example below in blue taken from one such SDA who made that claim.

"There is another Gospel out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ."
Unfortunately, SDAs are not the only ones doing it. It seems to be a very popular approach in these last days. Is Vassal SDA? I looked up his icon and it is an artist's rendering of what the new Jerusalem will look like. AI said it could be associated with LDS churches. My personal interractions with higher-up members of that group indicates faith + works is one of their core beliefs.
 
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