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AnandaHya

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Ananda. I have treated you like a friend, but you have not treated me as such. When I could have said something, seeing how you also were on the wrong path, I said nothing, to not offend you. that is not as a friend would act but as a coward who fears offending people more than God's truth and warning so that a brother or sister might not die in their sin. I would rather have Truth than soft lies

I will not cut you off either. Neither am I angry, but you seem to be, and I am trying to figure out why this makes you angry so much, consider it. I am not angry, I am greatly sadden. if you read anger it is not from me.

What Gary has said here is true. no it is not, the following is NOT what Gary says, it is what YOU say that you hope that Gary is saying.

If I don't understand something, I would not say it is a lie, because I don't understand. I would pray and ask Jesus to tell me if it is true or not. And he will either say it isn't or it is. I have no emotions attached to it. SO here is the plain truth as the Lord reveals:

Jesus Christ was not his flesh. He was God in the flesh. So his nature was not the nature of men, but of God. Neither was his birth of men, but of God. And he also said, that anyone that wants to enter the kingdom of God must be reborn, not of flesh, but of Water and of Spirit. He must be reborn. And the baptism of Jesus was not of men, but of God, as was the Baptism of John.

Anyone that is born of God takes on the same nature of Christ, even the same Spirit of Christ, who bears witness of God. This is how we become witnesses together WITH Christ. And this is true communion.

I cannot teach you these things, Jesus has to reveal them to you. If they are hidden to you, then I cannot reveal them to you. This is why I have said over and over that men ought to learn from Jesus himself and not from men. It was to steer people in the right direction, as these things are hidden from the world.

For this same reason they killed Christ, and could not hear his testimony. Neither did they know him.

Jesus also gave witness of John the Baptist, in that he came in a manner in which the world could not know him, that he was even Elijah, and they killed him. And Jesus said, in like manner he would suffer of them.

And in like manner, the servants of Christ suffer of those to whom these things are hidden. And all these things are hidden in Christ. So if you are not in Christ, and Christ is not in you, these things are hidden to you, as they were to the Jews of his day. I wonder how the Gentiles could deliberately put over their heads the same veil the Jews had over theirs, so that the Truth is hidden from them.

Every eye will see him coming in his kingdom.

May Jesus bless you.
no Ramon you are not paying attention.

the conversation is NOT about the indwelling Holy Spirit. that is the TRUTH EVERYONE IN CHRIST AGREES WITH.

the conversation is the INCARNATION OF GOD IN JESUS.

the conversation is if JESUS is the ONLY BEGOTTEN of GOD.

the conversation is the Difference between being BEGOTTEN and ADOPTED.

you can put words in Gary's mouth and think you are doing him a favor but you are NOT.

you are giving him a license to sin and to hold on to the strongholds in his mind that war against the Knowledge of God.

I speak the Truth to my friends and expect the same courtesy from them. I prefer silence to lies and deception.

I ignore everyone else and leave them in God's hands, unless they directly address me.
 
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Ramon

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LOL, I really should heed that advice.

On this thread in particular, I object to whatever it is Gary and a couple others are saying on the basis that it doesn't make much sense the way they write it, and that it sits wrong with what I know to be Truth...

But I'd like to UNDERSTAND what the heck they're saying so I KNOW what I'm objecting TO...

Hahahaha excuse me while I take a break in my padded cell.:cool:
My friend. It is one thing to not know what you are objecting to. But for those who full well know, it is a MAJOR pitfall.
 

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I thought this kind of stuff was for tin thread?
 

zone

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The language that Peter spoke on the Day of Pentecost caused the people to say that these men are drunken, and full of new wine.

She calls them the new breed, but it is the same accusation. They cannot hear the things of the Spirit. It is babel to them.
oh you're slick.
but not slick enough.

you got this wrong too my friend: but i ain't helpin' ya.

The language that Peter spoke on the Day of Pentecost caused the people to say that these men are drunken, and full of new wine.

its you who can't hear.

tons like you today and you are a real danger to the lambs.
 
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You are right, I need neither men, nor churches of men, nor the bible to teach me. Only the Holy Spirit of God, who teaches all men of himself.

And I have heard the witness of the Spirit of God in Holy men, and Holy women. And I have received their teaching, because I am a witness it is of God. I can hear the witness of God in them, so I can receive it from them, as I can receive it from Paul, as I can receive it from Jesus Christ, as I can receive it from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and from Moses, and from all the Apostles of God, and from all the Prophets of God.

But I will not take it from a stranger. A stranger who makes himself, and herself a stranger by continuing in sin, and telling me that I will always be in bondage to sin. This is the lie. If Jesus has made me free, I am free indeed. Which is the lie?

I have not received from you.

But I pray one day I can.

May Jesus bless you.
Brother ramon know this there is no such thing called a great men or women of God,we r all weak n small in the hands of Kind and Merciful God,n know this its not a right but a privillage to know him n his word and to be found by him,wen I first got saved I thut I was the first in line to be used by God now I think am the least and I know it and its his grace tha he still uses me at times..Growing in Christ doesnt mean u have become perfect but it means ur aware of how much ur in need of him in every walks of ur life..true freedom is not look at me m holy now,in my point of view its a change in heart or regenerated heart
 
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no Ramon you are not paying attention.

the conversation is NOT about the indwelling Holy Spirit. that is the TRUTH EVERYONE IN CHRIST AGREES WITH.

the conversation is the INCARNATION OF GOD IN JESUS.

the conversation is if JESUS is the ONLY BEGOTTEN of GOD.

the conversation is the Difference between being BEGOTTEN and ADOPTED.

you can put words in Gary's mouth and think you are doing him a favor but you are NOT.

you are giving him a license to sin and to hold on to the strongholds in his mind that war against the Knowledge of God.

I speak the Truth to my friends and expect the same courtesy from them. I prefer silence to lies and deception.

I ignore everyone else and leave them in God's hands, unless they directly address me.
No one has given anyone a license to sin. In fact, we say DON'T SIN, BE HOLY, BE RIGHTEOUS, BE PERFECT, EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT.

But we are called liars and heretics for this. Then you would be also calling Jesus a heretic, who said the same thing.

The stronghold is over the mind that is not renewed. I have heard him say we ought to have the MIND OF CHRIST! If our mind is not the MIND OF CHRIST, it is not perfect mind. Whereas we read, LET HIS MIND BE IN YOU THAT WAS ALSO IN CHRIST JESUS...

Is that mind in you? Are you perfect as he is perfect? Do you love your neighbor as yourself?

If I am deceived to believe the words of Jesus are true, even the words he spoke by his Holy men, then I will also say to the Lord, MAKE ME PERFECT LIKE YOU ARE PERFECT! HOLY, LIKE YOU ARE HOLY! RIGHTEOUS AS YOU ARE RIGHTEOUS!

May Jesus bless you.
 

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Brother ramon know this there is no such thing called a great men or women of God,we r all weak n small in the hands of Kind and Merciful God,n know this its not a right but a privillage to know him n his word and to be found by him,wen I first got saved I thut I was the first in line to be used by God now I think am the least and I know it and its his grace tha he still uses me at times..Growing in Christ doesnt mean u have become perfect but it means ur aware of how much ur in need of him in every walks of ur life..true freedom is not look at me m holy now,in my point of view its a change in heart or regenerated heart
AMEM SAM.............ty
 
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Ramon

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Brother ramon know this there is no such thing called a great men or women of God,we r all weak n small in the hands of Kind and Merciful God,n know this its not a right but a privillage to know him n his word and to be found by him,wen I first got saved I thut I was the first in line to be used by God now I think am the least and I know it and its his grace tha he still uses me at times..Growing in Christ doesnt mean u have become perfect but it means ur aware of how much ur in need of him in every walks of ur life..true freedom is not look at me m holy now,in my point of view its a change in heart or regenerated heart
May Jesus bless you.

The Lord said that whoever is greatest among you, let him be your servant.

Jesus Christ was greatest among us, so he was our servant. Yes, he is King and Lord, but he debased himself as a servant. It his calling to all of us to do the same.

But when we became servants we wanted to know God more and more. Then I came to a crossroads. There is a road there, from servant to son. I am not sure I have crossed that road yet, but I am sure it is possible. As he promised. A servant is not an heir, but the son is. If you are not a son you are a servant, and you do not abide in the house forever.

Jesus wants to take you to where he is, indeed, you can't get there by your own merit or strength, but you can by his Spirit!!! For some, God being among us is too much for them to behold. His name was called Emmanuel.

There are such as Holy men and Holy women, and there are such as unholy men and unholy women, who pervert the ways of holiness and righteousness and justice.

In Romans 8 that I posted, it reveals what we are talking about also.

May Jesus bless you.
 

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Brother ramon know this there is no such thing called a great men or women of God,we r all weak n small in the hands of Kind and Merciful God,n know this its not a right but a privillage to know him n his word and to be found by him,wen I first got saved I thut I was the first in line to be used by God now I think am the least and I know it and its his grace tha he still uses me at times..Growing in Christ doesnt mean u have become perfect but it means ur aware of how much ur in need of him in every walks of ur life..true freedom is not look at me m holy now,in my point of view its a change in heart or regenerated heart
If only they have received it this way SOYP, but they follow their own doctrine.

2Tim 4:2-4
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

You are right, I need neither men, nor churches of men, nor the bible to teach me. Only the Holy Spirit of God, who teaches all men of himself.
See? He just claimed in the above that he doesn't need the bible anymore.

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness.
 
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No one has given anyone a license to sin. In fact, we say DON'T SIN, BE HOLY, BE RIGHTEOUS, BE PERFECT, EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT.

But we are called liars and heretics for this. Then you would be also calling Jesus a heretic, who said the same thing.

The stronghold is over the mind that is not renewed. I have heard him say we ought to have the MIND OF CHRIST! If our mind is not the MIND OF CHRIST, it is not perfect mind. Whereas we read, LET HIS MIND BE IN YOU THAT WAS ALSO IN CHRIST JESUS...

Is that mind in you? Are you perfect as he is perfect? Do you love your neighbor as yourself?

If I am deceived to believe the words of Jesus are true, even the words he spoke by his Holy men, then I will also say to the Lord, MAKE ME PERFECT LIKE YOU ARE PERFECT! HOLY, LIKE YOU ARE HOLY! RIGHTEOUS AS YOU ARE RIGHTEOUS!

May Jesus bless you.
...I don't think anyone is arguing against the words Christ Himself spoke. Not as far as I can tell, anyway.

The problem I'm seeing with this is that people are saying that if we are not perfect as God is perfect, then we are not God's children, and that we are following our own 'gods'.

And I'm still not understanding why we need to be covered by grace if it's possible to BE EXACTLY LIKE JESUS...because it still sounds to me like if we can BE EXACTLY LIKE JESUS, then....WE DON'T NEED JESUS.

We are supposed to TRY to be Christ-like. We are to STRIVE to be Christ-like. The fact that it isn't HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO BE PERFECT AS CHRIST WAS PERFECT is no excuse to go out and sin, but it is WHY WE NEED CHRIST.

Am I yelling...? :eek:

Maybe I should have a burger.
 
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Ramon

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...I don't think anyone is arguing against the words Christ Himself spoke. Not as far as I can tell, anyway.

The problem I'm seeing with this is that people are saying that if we are not perfect as God is perfect, then we are not God's children, and that we are following our own 'gods'.

And I'm still not understanding why we need to be covered by grace if it's possible to BE EXACTLY LIKE JESUS...because it still sounds to me like if we can BE EXACTLY LIKE JESUS, then....WE DON'T NEED JESUS.

We are supposed to TRY to be Christ-like. We are to STRIVE to be Christ-like. The fact that it isn't HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO BE PERFECT AS CHRIST WAS PERFECT is no excuse to go out and sin, but it is WHY WE NEED CHRIST.

Am I yelling...? :eek:

Maybe I should have a burger.
May Jesus bless you. YES!!!

It is not humanly possible to be perfect as Christ was perfect!! AMEN!!

But through Christ ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!! It is Jesus Christ who makes one as perfect as he is perfect. Not by the will of man, but by the will of God!!!

We need Jesus!!! We cannot do it on our own! If Jesus says he will do it, he will!! He cannot lie. People who are in rest don't strive, but people who aren't in rest do strive.

Now, Jesus said there are some who will not enter into his rest. And there are some that will enter his rest.

This is how all of our deeds are as filthy rags. But guess what? Jesus can take filthy rags and make them WHITE AS SNOW!! If our deeds are done in Christ, they are not filthy deeds, else Jesus is filthy! AND JESUS IS NOT FILTHY!!!

You see, Jesus hid these things in parables, because if he spoke plainly to them, they would be even more angry than they were. Even when he spoke in parables they took offense. But the offense was in them, because he spoke the Truth, which is contrary to what Satan teaches. Their righteousness, though they thought was wrought in God, was actually wrought out of hell, and they thought they were even righteous in killing Jesus. Righteous murder? NO!!

So many will, in these last times, consider their deeds righteous, though they kill the ones who speak of, BE RIGHTEOUS! BE HOLY!! Contradictory? Yes!!

This is the contradiction that is in them, and they will reap of that.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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No one has given anyone a license to sin. In fact, we say DON'T SIN, BE HOLY, BE RIGHTEOUS, BE PERFECT, EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT.

But we are called liars and heretics for this. no again you have erected a strawman.

Then you would be also calling Jesus a heretic, who said the same thing. you are not Jesus, Ramon and GaryMac is NOT Christ or Begotten of God.

The stronghold is over the mind that is not renewed. I have heard him say we ought to have the MIND OF CHRIST! If our mind is not the MIND OF CHRIST, it is not perfect mind. Whereas we read, LET HIS MIND BE IN YOU THAT WAS ALSO IN CHRIST JESUS...

Is that mind in you? God's Holy Spirit lives in my heart.

Are you perfect as he is perfect? I am as perfect or as imperfect as God has made me, I do not stand or fall on my own power but on the power God has placed inside of me

Do you love your neighbor as yourself? no I love them MORE.
for I care very little for myself, but am here because God commands my obedience and presence in this world. I would rather be with Him. Though I thank Him every day for His many blessings and strive to walk the path and do the works He has entrusted to my care.


If I am deceived to believe the words of Jesus are true, even the words he spoke by his Holy men, then I will also say to the Lord, MAKE ME PERFECT LIKE YOU ARE PERFECT! HOLY, LIKE YOU ARE HOLY! RIGHTEOUS AS YOU ARE RIGHTEOUS!

May Jesus bless you.
again you miss the point. one would almost think you do it intentionally

one simple question Ramon.

what is the difference between the ONLY Begotten Son of God and His adopted children?
 

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MayYou see, Jesus hid these things in parables, because if he spoke plainly to them, they would be even more angry than they were. Even when he spoke in parables they took offense..
wrong again.
dead wrong.

again....i'm not helping you.

you're a false teacher.
 
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Ramon

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again you miss the point. one would almost think you do it intentionally

one simple question Ramon.

what is the difference between the ONLY Begotten Son of God and His adopted children?
God has made you imperfect? Or have you made you imperfect.

It was written, BE YE PERFECT EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT. Is your Father perfect? If he isn't he isn't God.

Now, this command was to all saints who would be saints. And we do not hope to burden a new Christian with something that is not achievable. But we say IT IS!!

By whose will? Not mine, not yours, but by the WILL OF GOD, which is IN CHRIST JESUS!!

So that those who are not in Christ Jesus, cannot be in the will of God.

God sent his only Begotten Son into the world to beget more sons.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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MissCris

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zone mentioned cake at nods.
Cake is a good solution to a lot of things. Baking cake is therapeutic. Eating cake is therapeutic. Throwing cake is therapeutic.

I'm there!
 
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Ramon

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If only they have received it this way SOYP, but they follow their own doctrine.

2Tim 4:2-4
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.



See? He just claimed in the above that he doesn't need the bible anymore.

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness.
For many the scripture is God-breathed and useful for training in unrighteousness, and for false teaching, and for destruction.

Men, who interpret scriptures as God, who don't know God for themselves. I seek to know God, and his Christ, personally intimately.

If we don't know him for ourselves, we will not be able to determine what is deception and what is not. I don't heap men to me, but to Christ. But people don't want Jesus Christ, they want their interpretations of their bibles.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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God has made you imperfect? Or have you made you imperfect.

It was written, BE YE PERFECT EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT. Is your Father perfect? If he isn't he isn't God.

Now, this command was to all saints who would be saints. And we do not hope to burden a new Christian with something that is not achievable. But we say IT IS!!

By whose will? Not mine, not yours, but by the WILL OF GOD, which is IN CHRIST JESUS!!

So that those who are not in Christ Jesus, cannot be in the will of God.

God sent his only Begotten Son into the world to beget more sons.

May Jesus bless you.
I see. you don't know the difference between the Only Begotten Son and adopted sons and daughters of God. perhaps God will reveal it to you upon reading His Holy words.

John 1

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”
16 And[e] of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[f] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Galatians 4:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[a] of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”


There is only ONE WORD of GOD. ONLY ONE CHRIST. ONLY ONE JESUS the ONLY Begotten Son of GOD.

we receive the ADOPTION as sons. His Holy Spirit lives in each and every one of God's children but that does NOT make us BEGOTTEN but ADOPTED.

We are NOT God, we are not INCARNATED of God.

we are born again disciples of Christ JESUS who lives and Reigns in HEAVEN who will come again to judge the living AND the Dead.



as for being perfect or imperfect: God made me, do you think I can unmake what God has made?

Have you achieve "perfection" Ramon?

You preach it, you speak it, can you claim its truth in your LIFE?

my heart echoes the words of Paul, can yours do the same?

1 Corinthians 4

1 Let a man so consider us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.


Are you a servant of Christ and a steward of the mysteries of God?
 
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God has made you imperfect? Or have you made you imperfect.

It was written, BE YE PERFECT EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT. Is your Father perfect? If he isn't he isn't God.

Now, this command was to all saints who would be saints. And we do not hope to burden a new Christian with something that is not achievable. But we say IT IS!!

By whose will? Not mine, not yours, but by the WILL OF GOD, which is IN CHRIST JESUS!!

So that those who are not in Christ Jesus, cannot be in the will of God.

God sent his only Begotten Son into the world to beget more sons.

May Jesus bless you.
IN JESUS.....THEY CAN'T DESCRIBE WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS....THEY MEAN THEY ARE DEITY.




ONCE FOR ALL, for those who care what God really said, not the NEW BREED who will wax worse and worse: and as Washer, Piper, Sproul and most MATURE christians on this site have tried to warn are DESTROYING lives and shipwrecking faith by TEACHING MAN BECOMING GOD.

they abuse Romans 8. they abuse every reference to COMMANDMENTS given by God Incarnate who KNOWS men will not be PERFECT until they are GLORIFIED and EVEN THEN WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER BE DEITY



Be ye therefore perfect ... - The Saviour concludes this part of the discourse by commanding his disciples to be "perfect." This word commonly means "finished, complete, pure, holy." Originally, it is applied to a piece of mechanism, as a machine that is complete in its parts. Applied to people, it refers to completeness of parts, or perfection, where no part is defective or wanting.

Thus, Job JObadiah 1:1 is said to be "perfect;" that is, not holy as God, or "sinless" - for fault is afterward found with him Job 9:20; Job 42:6; but his piety was "proportionate" - had a completeness of parts was consistent and regular. He exhibited his religion as a prince, a father, an individual, a benefactor of the poor. He was not merely a pious man in one place, but uniformly. He was consistent everywhere. See the notes at that passage. This is the meaning in Matthew. Be not religious merely in loving your friends and neighbors, but let your piety be shown in loving your enemies; imitate God; let your piety be "complete, proportionate, regular." This every Christian may be; this every Christian must be...
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Be ye therefore perfect, as your Father,.... This perfection is to be restrained to the subject Christ is upon, love to men, and not to be referred to any, or every other thing; wherefore, in Luke 6:36 it is, "be ye merciful, as your Father also is merciful"; and regards not a perfection of degree in that, but objects and quality: that is to say, not that men may, or can, or ought to be as perfect in love, as to the degree of it, as God is; that is impossible: the "as" here, is not a note of equality, but of likeness: such, who profess God to be their Father, ought to imitate him, particularly in their love to men, which ought to be extended to the same objects, as the divine goodness is; that, as he shows regard in a providential way to all men, good and bad, just and unjust, and his tender mercies are over all his works; so ought they to love all men with a natural affection, and hate no man, no, not their enemies: for he that loves only his friends, and not his enemies, loves imperfectly; he does not take in the whole compass of objects his love is to extend unto; and as God loves sincerely, and without dissimulation, so should they. To be "perfect", is to be sincere and upright: in this sense is the word often used, and answers to the Hebrew word which signifies the same: see Deuteronomy 18:13 which is the passage Christ seems to refer to here; and the sense is, be ye sincere and upright in your love to all men, as your heavenly Father is hearty and sincere in his affections to them.
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48. Be ye therefore-rather, "Ye shall therefore be," or "Ye are therefore to be," as My disciples and in My kingdom.
perfect-or complete. Manifestly, our Lord here speaks, not of degrees of excellence, but of the kind of excellence which was to distinguish His disciples and characterize His kingdom. When therefore He adds, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect-He refers to that full-orbed glorious completeness which is in the great Divine Model, "their Father which is in heaven."
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Lastly, Our Saviour concludes this subject with this exhortation (v. 48), Be ye therefore perfect, as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Which may be understood, 1. In general, including all those things wherein we must be followers of God as dear children. Note, It is the duty of Christians to desire, and aim at, and press toward a perfection in grace and holiness, Phil. 3:12-14. And therein we must study to conform ourselves to the example of our heavenly Father, 1 Pt. 1:15, 16. Or, 2. In this particular before mentioned, of doing good to our enemies; see Lu. 6:36. It is God's perfection to forgive injuries and to entertain strangers, and to do good to the evil and unthankful, and it will be ours to be like him. We that owe so much, that owe our all, to the divine bounty, ought to copy it out as well as we can.
MHC

I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE MUST MAKE THIS DISTICTION BETWEEN THE PERFECTION OF THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE GOD ALIGHTY THE I AM and what Jesus expects of His peopele:

5046. teleios

teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect​
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Short Definition: perfect, full-grown
Definition: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character.

Cognate: 5046 téleios (an adjective, derived from 5056 /télos, "consummated goal") – mature (consummated) from going through the necessary stages to reach the end-goal, i.e. developed into a consummating completion by fulfilling the necessary process (spiritual journey). See 5056 (telos).
[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]
Word Origin
from telos
Definition
having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
NASB Word Usage
complete (2), mature (4), more perfect (1), perfect (12).


complete, perfect, mature

From telos; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with ho) completeness -- of full age, man, perfect.
 
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Ramon

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I see. you don't know the difference between the Only Begotten Son and adopted sons and daughters of God. perhaps God will reveal it to you upon reading His Holy words.

John 1

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”
16 And[e] of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[f] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Galatians 4:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[a] of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”


There is only ONE WORD of GOD. ONLY ONE CHRIST. ONLY ONE JESUS the ONLY Begotten Son of GOD.

we receive the ADOPTION as sons. His Holy Spirit lives in each and every one of God's children but that does NOT make us BEGOTTEN but ADOPTED.

We are NOT God, we are not INCARNATED of God.

we are born again disciples of Christ JESUS who lives and Reigns in HEAVEN who will come again to judge the living AND the Dead.



as for being perfect or imperfect: God made me, do you think I can unmake what God has made?

Have you achieve "perfection" Ramon?

You preach it, you speak it, can you claim its truth in your LIFE?

my heart echoes the words of Paul, can yours do the same?

1 Corinthians 4

1 Let a man so consider us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.


Are you a servant of Christ and a steward of the mysteries of God?
God made you imperfect? Or have you made you imperfect?

Did God make you sin, or did you choose to sin?

Does your heart echo the words of Jesus Christ? That is what will matter.

But if you have envying and bitterness in your heart, that heart needs to be changed. Out of the abundance of it, the mouth speaks.

May Jesus bless you.