""Paul completed Jesus's salvation message:"" show me!
Also know the 12 were preaching to the gentiles also and before Paul.
The New Covenant Is Not What Many Have Been Taught
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Also know the 12 were preaching to the gentiles also and before Paul.
Yeah, we are way too far apart in our understanding, but I wish you well.
Wait - are you saying you believe that Paul made up what he taught? Never mind, don't bother to answer that, I'm getting tired of this. At least as of now you are unable to grasp what Scripture is teaching. Paul neither contradicted Christ nor any of the other apostles.
There was only one gospel they preached. So, as far as this dialogue with you goes, I am done.
"show me". Here, consider yourself shown:
[1Co 3:3-9 KJV]
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who [is] Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
[2Pe 3:15-16 KJV]
15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Edgar Cayce. Why are you sporting his face for your avatar? Why ignore the question I asked?
I recently purchased an orchid. It was a very delicate mini phalaenopsis, not just a mini but of a micro-mini variety so it was very very delicate where another only slightly larger than it survived the transport unharmed, but it suffered loss of everything but its roots due to cold damage. But I'm holding on to hope for it, so I having chucked in the bin just yet, seeing that the root responds to water.
But, in effect, its branches were cut off, and it is in dire need of the help of a master orchid cultivator, preferably one proficient in the art of grafting.
And this brings to mind the Root of Jesse...
The Word, ... first to the Jew, then to the Gentile and, whether natural branches or wild, everybody's has found themselves at the state of 'cut off.' I mean, how much more 'cut-off' can one be than beginning totally separate from the root? Jesus came to deliver the natural branches from death. How? By cutting them off? Yes!
For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone. (Rom 11:32)
According to His intention to graft them back into His (Now) Imperishable Root!
O, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments, and untraceable His ways! (Romans 11:33).
But, in effect, its branches were cut off, and it is in dire need of the help of a master orchid cultivator, preferably one proficient in the art of grafting.
And this brings to mind the Root of Jesse...
The Word, ... first to the Jew, then to the Gentile and, whether natural branches or wild, everybody's has found themselves at the state of 'cut off.' I mean, how much more 'cut-off' can one be than beginning totally separate from the root? Jesus came to deliver the natural branches from death. How? By cutting them off? Yes!
For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone. (Rom 11:32)
According to His intention to graft them back into His (Now) Imperishable Root!
O, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments, and untraceable His ways! (Romans 11:33).
before Christ only one person was ever cured of leprosy. a Gentile, who was not told to keep the law.
Ezekiel 37:5-6
Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones:
"Surely I will cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live. I will put sinews on you and bring flesh upon you, cover you with skin and put breath in you; and you shall live. Then you shall know that I [am] the LORD."
Galatians 2:16-21
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, [is] Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the [life] which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness [comes] through the law, then Christ died in vain.
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Before I was called I considered any young man that was "religious" to be a queer.
I wanted zero to do with any church, I was dragged kicking and screaming into the body of Christ
So for me to still be here after over 55 years? --No, I did not put my self in to the Body, The Father dragged me in. I would have never chosen this path.
On my own I would have never read the Bible.
I was ashamed but I knew what I was seeing in the Word of God was the TRUTH, it almost destroyed my marriage.
If the Father does not call you to Christ, you will not be in the Body
Once in, it is our duty to obey, no reward for obeying, But it is a requirement, If you will not let Christ rule you, you will be put out.
Are you going to keep a dog that will not mind?
What is hard to understand with the Many is why they so oppose Law? do they believe the Father and Christ want a bunch of people around Them, living like the folks in this evil world live? Lawless? no rules?
Don't believe everything you hear about Edgar Cayce. He was a true Christian who read the Bible since he was a child and as he got older, he taught Sunday school.
His descendants and followers had interpreted their own version of his prophetic writings. And believe me he was a very strong man of God, that he could have made millions from his gift, but he done it for free. But he accepted donations as Jesus had done. but he was only given very little donations that barely paid the bills. Howard Hughes, Thommas Edison and even Tesla and many other wealthy oil prospectors came for readings, but some didn't donate at all, and others just donated very little. But he didn't care because he just wanted to be helpful that he kept on doing readings until he died.
But you can't find a man of God that's willing to do anything free of charge in these days and times. the only ones we have in these days are hirlings, that only work for money to feed God's flock.
But the true prophets are always being attack, like Kim Clement. The church leaders didn't think he was a prophet by the way he preached and played Christian Rock music as he preach like the way David played music while he prophesied.
But until Kim prophesied about 9/11 incident, that the church leaders started to listen to him. And then he became really known by the entire church leaders is when his prophecies about Trump came to light. But he didn't hear that Trump won the election because he was in a deep coma at the time and then shortly died afterward. Which his daughter believed that the government had something to do with his death because they used to pay him visits after 9/11 and then when he was preaching about corruptions in the Whitehouse and Trump will be winning the election they paid him a visit.
Like as it says, "A prophet doesn't have any honor among his own". That's why Jesus went to the outcast and that's the only way you'll know who the prophets are
2 Corinthians 11:7
Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge?
Matthew 13:57
And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.”
John 10:12-13
The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.
As I understand it, those who become saved are placed under the New Covenant by which we are given (spiritually speaking), a new spirit, a new heart, and a renewed mind through the Holy Spirit, making us into the new man. The characteristics of the old rebellious man over time dissipates being replaced by the characteristics of a true Christian including obedience. As with everything that comes from salvation, it is through God moving within us to do of His good pleasure. I think this is confirmed in 1 Peter 1:1 - 1:5 (especially 1:4 and 1:5), where we are told that we have been given an inheritance (meaning that we specifically and individually were chosen by God to be His beneficiaries), and since the testator (Christ) had died, that no beneficiary can be removed, so the inheritance is eternally settled and reserved in heaven for those so chosen. We are also told that it is solely by God's power through faith that the beneficiaries will be kept by Him until the end.
[1Pe 1:1-5 KJV]
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
As always, you refuse to believe the rest of God's word concerning salvation. You do not have memory problems. You ignore the clear teaching of the New Testament.
define works of the law please a simple line will do, we will continue from there and i will explain
what is this clear teaching that i am missing up on? just a simple line or 2 will suffice.
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I agree! with this clarification, our human nature is being cut away by the "circumcision without hands" and replaced with the Divine Nature of God and the Torah reveals that Divine Nature to man.
2 Peter 1:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
The Torah? Wasn't that the book of the law? I don't think it is by law (if that's what you're saying) because for the saved, the law was done away with in the New Covenant - a covenant completely new in substance, hence the word "New". It is a spiritual renewal by the Holy Spirit upon those saved - those placed under it by God. The unsaved, however, will remain under the law, the requirements of which, they will never be able to satisfy.
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If you check with Paul he states the only change to the New Covenant is with the promises, every thing else remained the same, The Torah is and will always be the Law but now it is also spiritual. remember in Matthew 5, 6 Christ said it you hate in your mind you have committed sin. It was physical and now it is both Physical and spiritual.
The HOLY LAW of God will always BE, God does not change.
The misunderstanding is caused by Paul, Christ is clear
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
We both know heaven and earth has not passed
Better read Hebrews again. Not only are the promises better, but the Mediator is better and the ministry is better.
No, don't think so. By Jesus becoming the High Priest, of necessity, the law He was the High Priest of also had to be changed, otherwise, there would have been no need to change from the Levitical priesthood (as there already priest who ministered to its law), to the priesthood of the order of Melchisedec - the priesthood of Jesus.
No, don't think so. We are clearly informed that the law was changed. Observe:
[Heb 7:18-19, 22, 25 KJV]
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God. ...
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. ...
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
[Heb 8:4-6 KJV]
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
[Heb 9:11-12, 14-15, 28 KJV]
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us]. ...
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. ...
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
[Heb 10:1, 10, 14, 16-18, 21 KJV]
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. ...
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]. ...
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. ...
16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin. ...
21 And [having] an high priest over the house of God;
Right, Jesus perfectly fulfilled the law. It is through Him that the keeping of it no longer falls upon us. When we became saved, Jesus's fulfillment of it was fully imputed to us, so by Him, they cannot be broken since they were all judicially satisfied on our behalf. From judicial/judgment standpoint, we are no longer under law; not so for the unsaved. However, as a practical matter, and not a judicial one, God will chastise His children that do not live in a God glorifying manner, and that chastisement is to be avoided at all costs because it is most unpleasant