The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Undergrace1]

The doctrine of the Nicolaitans in the Book of Revelation, Rev 2:6.

It was a heretical early Christian teaching promoting moral compromise.
They taught that believers were free from God's moral law due to grace, justifying sinful behavior.

Their message of grace as a license for sin and compromise with the world remains a persistent challenge for the Christian church.

1. It legalism to keep the laws
2. Don't worry about the moral laws
3. Focus on the grace of Jesus
4. Because Jesus obeyed the law we don't need to.
5. The law is dead and it kills but grace saves us.
6. Grace and the law can not coexist..

These types of teachings in the churches have removed the moral law and lowered the moral standard in the world.

Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Their evil deeds are a direct result of their belief that the moral law is not important because of the grace of Jesus..

I went to a church once to please a friend on Saturdays. I honestly went with an open mind, I wanted to be inclusive, not exclusive, I figured it didn’t matter the day anyone went to church based on Rom14:5.
It was relentlessly stressed in the church: ''You must obey the TC'' Had never heard that emphasised so much before
The second week I was there, I was literally shocked and stunned to see two women, laughing and joking as they took the Lord’s name in vain, apparently unaware they were transgressing the commands they insisted everyone must obey. From that moment on I became uneasy in the church. And it was not just two women taking the Lord’s name in vain by any means. I had never come across such a thing before in any church I have been to.
One woman, was immaculately dressed for church with a bible tucked under her arm, she too insisted you must obey the TC. And if the minister said something she approved of during the sermon, she gave out a hearty ‘’AMEN’’ To be honest, If I had met her in the church of my youth, the guilt would have piled up on me, believing she must be living a far more Godly life than I was. She too insisted you must obey the TC. After a while I found out she was having multiple affairs, sometimees overlapping. I said to her one day: ‘’How can you do that, you’re breaking the TC’’ She shrugged her shoulders and responded: ‘’All sin is equal and no ones perfect.’’ If I was having one affair, I could not enter a church and heartily join in the service, let alone many affairs, that would be beyond me.
I can honestly say I saw more flagrant transgressing of the TC in that church than any church I have ever been to in over forty years. How people can sin without consciousness they are doing so is beyond me, it is a world I know nothing of.
So who cared more, who was more sensitive to what is written in the TC being transgressed, me, who believes you have no righteousness of obeying them, or the people who constantly believed they must be obeyed if you expect to enter Heaven?
Maybe many of them had a nicolatian spirit.

 

[Undergrace1]

you who follow Paul and do not understand what he said. .

Do you understand Paul?
Why is the power of sin the law? 1Cor15:56
Why are sinfull passions aroused in us by the law? Rom7:5
How/why was sin able to take occasion of one of the TC to arouse all manner of sin in Saul? Rom7:8

 

[Dino246]

The doctrine of the Nicolaitans in the Book of Revelation, Rev 2:6.

It was a heretical early Christian teaching promoting moral compromise.
They taught that believers were free from God's moral law due to grace, justifying sinful behavior.

Their message of grace as a license for sin and compromise with the world remains a persistent challenge for the Christian church.

1. It legalism to keep the laws
2. Don't worry about the moral laws
3. Focus on the grace of Jesus
4. Because Jesus obeyed the law we don't need to.
5. The law is dead and it kills but grace saves us.
6. Grace and the law can not coexist..

These types of teachings in the churches have removed the moral law and lowered the moral standard in the world.

Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Their evil deeds are a direct result of their belief that the moral law is not important because of the grace of Jesus..

Please cite your sources.

 

[vassal]

Yes, Jesus gave a list of commandments in the NT. How many people do you know who even try to obey them all? Ive never met any.
Just pointing out you can make all the pat statements you like, but they are no ones reality, including yours!

many do follow the commandments, many. A few on this post do and tell you they do. You just deny it because it suits you to believe no one do and that is false, the problem if people think you have to be perfect the first try, it doesn't work this way, you have to GROW in faith. Jesus asks us to keep the Commandments why wont you? you have no excuse.

Does GOD expects a newborn to walk on the first day if it's life? as a newborn must learn how to walk, we also must learn how to walk with God and do His will.

in the bible it is clearly written one must grow in truth, in faith.
Samuel grew because he walked in God’s will, and the Old Testament shows this same pattern for all who follow God. It says that “the child Samuel grew on, and was in favour both with the Lord, and also with men” and that “Samuel grew, and the Lord was with him” (1 Samuel 2:26 and 3:19). This growth came because he feared God, obeyed Him, and listened to His voice. The Psalms explain that “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” and that those who delight in God’s law are like a strong tree planted by the waters that brings forth fruit in its season (Psalm 111:10 and Psalm 1:2–3). God teaches and guides those who fear Him, giving wisdom and understanding (Psalm 25:12 and Proverbs 2:6) and renewing their strength as they wait upon Him (Isaiah 40:31). In this way the Old Testament shows that growth in wisdom, strength, and favour always comes from living in God’s ways.

 

[vassal]

I went to a church once to please a friend on Saturdays. I honestly went with an open mind, I wanted to be inclusive, not exclusive, I figured it didn’t matter the day anyone went to church based on Rom14:5.
It was relentlessly stressed in the church: ''You must obey the TC'' Had never heard that emphasised so much before
The second week I was there, I was literally shocked and stunned to see two women, laughing and joking as they took the Lord’s name in vain, apparently unaware they were transgressing the commands they insisted everyone must obey. From that moment on I became uneasy in the church. And it was not just two women taking the Lord’s name in vain by any means. I had never come across such a thing before in any church I have been to.
One woman, was immaculately dressed for church with a bible tucked under her arm, she too insisted you must obey the TC. And if the minister said something she approved of during the sermon, she gave out a hearty ‘’AMEN’’ To be honest, If I had met her in the church of my youth, the guilt would have piled up on me, believing she must be living a far more Godly life than I was. She too insisted you must obey the TC. After a while I found out she was having multiple affairs, sometimees overlapping. I said to her one day: ‘’How can you do that, you’re breaking the TC’’ She shrugged her shoulders and responded: ‘’All sin is equal and no ones perfect.’’ If I was having one affair, I could not enter a church and heartily join in the service, let alone many affairs, that would be beyond me.
I can honestly say I saw more flagrant transgressing of the TC in that church than any church I have ever been to in over forty years. How people can sin without consciousness they are doing so is beyond me, it is a world I know nothing of.
So who cared more, who was more sensitive to what is written in the TC being transgressed, me, who believes you have no righteousness of obeying them, or the people who constantly believed they must be obeyed if you expect to enter Heaven?
Maybe many of them had a nicolatian spirit.

it does not mean that the people who go to church are saints or even believe in GOD, we can surely find examples of improper conduct in other churches as well. it is very shallow to reject the commandments based on what you saw at that church. the people attending are not your concern , yours is to do the fathers will. Do you Know what God wants from you, wants you to do?

 

[vassal]

Please cite your sources.

@TMS was correct I had also examined this. here are some texts from my personal Notes;

The doctrine of the Nicolaitans in the Book of Revelation was a false teaching that led Christians into moral compromise. Jesus said clearly that He hated their deeds because their teachings encouraged people to sin. Revelation 2:6 says, “But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.” Jesus repeats the warning in Revelation 2:14–15, where He connects their teaching to the way of Balaam, who taught Israel to sin by joining the world in idolatry and immorality. This shows that the problem was not careful obedience, but sinful living. Their doctrine removed the importance of God’s moral law and opened a door for believers to live in ways that God forbids.

Early Christian writers confirm this. Irenaeus, around AD 180, wrote that the Nicolaitans “lead lives of unrestrained indulgence” (Against Heresies 1.26.3). Hippolytus, around AD 200, said they taught Christians to “commit fornication” and to “eat things sacrificed unto idols” (Refutation of All Heresies 7.24). Clement of Alexandria, around AD 195, explained that they twisted Christian freedom and used it to justify sinful behavior (Stromata 2.20). All these early and trusted sources agree that the Nicolaitans preached a form of grace that allowed immorality, worldliness, and the rejection of God’s commandments.

Their beliefs can be summarized this way: they taught that it was legalism to keep God’s laws, that believers should not worry about moral commandments, that grace meant freedom from obedience, that because Jesus obeyed the law they did not need to, that the law was no longer important, and that grace and obedience could not exist together. This type of message removed the moral law from the church and lowered the moral standards of Christians in the ancient world. Their evil deeds came directly from their false belief that the grace of Jesus made moral living unnecessary.

The words of Jesus directly oppose this teaching. Jesus said in John 14:15, “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” He added in John 14:21, “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me,” and again in John 15:10, “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love.” Jesus warned that grace is not a license for sin. In Matthew 7:21–23 He said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.” He then rejects those who practiced sin by saying, “Depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Jesus also declared that the commandments remain until the end. In Matthew 5:17–19 He said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law... Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law.” This completely disagrees with the Nicolaitan idea that the moral law does not matter.

Jesus’ disciples taught the same message. John wrote in 1 John 2:3–4, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar.” James taught that true faith is always joined with obedience, saying in James 2:17, “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead.” Peter taught holiness and separation from sin when he wrote in 1 Peter 1:14–16, “As obedient children... be ye holy in all manner of conversation.” These teachings from the apostles match the words of Jesus and stand in strong contrast to Nicolaitan-style grace that ignores obedience.
In simple words, the Nicolaitans taught that grace allowed Christians to live without moral restraint, but Jesus taught that love for Him is shown by keeping His commandments.

The Nicolaitan message removed God’s standards and weakened the church, but Jesus calls His people to holiness, obedience, and walking in the light. The warnings in Revelation show that teachings which dismiss God’s commandments and use grace as an excuse for sin are dangerous, and Jesus Himself rejects them.

 

[Undergrace1]

many do follow the commandments, many. A few on this post do and tell you they do. You just deny it because it suits you to believe no one do and that is false, the problem if people think you have to be perfect the first try, it doesn't work this way, you have to GROW in faith. Jesus asks us to keep the Commandments why wont you? you have no excuse.

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Jesus asked people to follow the commandments he was teaching, but there is a different way to obedience of them than you understand. As for the TC, Paul says we die to that law, we are released from it and serve in the new way of the Spirit not the old way of the written code/law. You still have a form of the old covenant.
Why wont I keep commandments?
Do you think I go around committing adultery, being a habitual thief, murdering people, taking the Lords name in vain? I don't!! But that does not mean I can obey the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation

 

[Undergrace1]

it does not mean that the people who go to church are saints or even believe in GOD, we can surely find examples of improper conduct in other churches as well. it is very shallow to reject the commandments based on what you saw at that church. the people attending are not your concern , yours is to do the fathers will. Do you Know what God wants from you, wants you to do?

You need to come to an understanding of the core foundation upon which the new covenant stands. You cannot reject any law written in your mind and placed on your heart by the Spirit.
Neither does a person insisting you must obey the TC mean they are themselves obeying them?!

 

[vassal]

Jesus asked people to follow the commandments he was teaching, but there is a different way to obedience of them than you understand. As for the TC, Paul says we die to that law, we are released from it and serve in the new way of the Spirit not the old way of the written code/law. You still have a form of the old covenant.
Why wont I keep commandments?
Do you think I go around committing adultery, being a habitual thief, murdering people, taking the Lords name in vain? I don't!! But that does not mean I can obey the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation

Jesus never called the Ten Commandments a “ministry of death,” and He never released anyone from them. He said the opposite. He said, “If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). He taught, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15), and “Whosoever shall do and teach them… shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19).

Not committing adultery, murder, or theft is already obedience to the Ten Commandments, which shows these laws are still God’s standard. The “new way of the Spirit” does not remove the commandments. It writes them on the heart so we live them in love, not rebellion. Jesus never freed us from moral law, only from sin.

God did say he puts before us a choice, Do what you want, I explained to you what God expects.

 

[GWH]

Do you know the Ten Commandments are part of the Old Covenant?

Because the NT does not affirm the Sabbath Law as it did the moral commands in the Ten Commandments, one needs to discern the correct doctrine for Christians by considering the following Scriptures.

1. God rested from His work and rested on the seventh day and made it holy per GN 2:2-3.

2. Moses promulgated the Sabbath law as the 4th of the Ten Commandments in EX 20:8-11, cf. LV 19:3&30, DT 5:12-15.

3. Solomon builds a temple for burnt offerings on the Sabbath in 2CHR 2:4.

4. Isaiah said those are blessed who keep the Sabbath in IS 56:2-6.

5. Jeremiah commands keeping the Sabbath holy in JR 17:21-27.

6. Ezekiel referred to the Sabbaths in 20:12

7. Jesus declared he is Lord of the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath in MT 12:1-12.

8. Jesus healed a crippled woman on the Sabbath in LK 13:10-16.

If Jesus thought keeping the Sabbath was an important law, he would have affirmed it on these two occasions, but he did not specifically nullify it either, which jibes/harmonizes perfectly with Paul.

9. Paul taught that a person may rest on the Sabbath or not in CL 2:16, GL 4:9-11 & RM 14:5.

10. HB encourages Christians to enter God’s Sabbath rest by persevering faith in 3:7-4:11.

The primary sin per the NT is transgression of GRFS (GL 3:1-14), and secondary sins are transgression of Christ’s law (JN 13:34), which summarizes the OT moral laws (MT 22:37-40) affirmed by the NT (MT 5:17-48) and calls them the fruit of the Spirit (GL 5:22-23), which does NOT include all 613 laws of Moses, such as those pertaining to mildew and infectious disease in LV 14.

Jesus fulfilled/accomplished the 613 Mosaic laws (MT 5:17-19) and taught that righteousness must surpass/supersede that of the Pharisees (MT 5:20) including Paul (ACTS 22:3-5), to whom Jesus appeared, saying “Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen of me and what I will show you… I am sending you to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.”

Paul did just that when he preached to the folks (both Jews and Gentiles per ACTS 14:1-5) in Galatia (ACTS 13:49), encouraging them to remain true to the faith (ACTS 14:22), which he reiterated in his epistle, beginning “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel, which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ… But if anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (GL 1:3-9)

Paul stated the true gospel thusly, “I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ [the HS] lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved he and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness [holiness] could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Paul may also have written Hebrews, which warns against not entering God’s Sabbath rest by not holding firmly until the end the confidence/faith in Christ (HB 3:14, 4:2). HB 7:11-10:1 begins as follows:

“If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood, why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also… The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless, for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. Such a high priest truly meets our need… the Son, who has been made perfect forever, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven… The ministry of Jesus has received is superior to the old one [of Moses], since the NC is established on better promises… God said, ‘The days are coming when I will make a new covenant’ [JR 31:31-34]. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts… By calling this covenant ‘new’, he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.”

In this passage the Lord says that the OC including the Sabbath commandment is obsolete/abrogated by the Gospel of Christ. Need GW say more?

Okay, here is more Scripture where Sabbath law is viewed as Levitical rather than moral.

Matt. 5:17-20 – Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Law and that righteousness must surpass that of the Pharisees, who observed the Levitical laws (cf. Acts 22:2-3 & 26:4-5).

Matt. 12:1-8 – The disciples did what was unlawful on the Sabbath, but Jesus said the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.

Matt. 12:12-14/Mark 3:4-6 – Jesus said that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and healed a man, which prompted the Pharisees to plot to kill him for breaking the Sabbath.

Luke 13:10-17 – On a Sabbath Jesus broke Sabbath law by healing a crippled woman, which made the synagogue ruler indignant, so Jesus rebuked him for hypocrisy.

Luke 14:1-6 – While dining with a prominent Pharisee Jesus saw a sick man and healed him from dropsy, noting that an animal which had fallen in a well would have been pulled out with no objection.

John 5:1-18 – Jesus healed a paralyzed man on the Sabbath, so the Jews persecuted him for breaking the Sabbath law.

John 9:1-34 – Jesus healed a blind man on the Sabbath, who believed Jesus was a prophet, and the Jews had decided to excommunicate anyone who said Jesus was Messiah.

These Scriptures indicate that the main reason Jesus was crucified was for the crime of breaking Sabbath law and claiming to be from God. We see that Jesus never taught anyone to keep the fourth commandment and never hinted that it was an eternal moral law, but instead indicated that it is merely Levitical tradition, and so Paul wrote “Do not let anyone judge you… with regard to a Sabbath day” (Col. 2:16).

 

[Undergrace1]

it does not mean that the people who go to church are saints or even believe in GOD, we can surely find examples of improper conduct in other churches as well. it is very shallow to reject the commandments based on what you saw at that church. the people attending are not your concern , yours is to do the fathers will. Do you Know what God wants from you, wants you to do?

Incidentally, I wonder how many people who insist you must obey the TC, believe they apply to what goes on inside of them, or, whether they are only concerned with outward appearance concerning these commands. Jesus spoke of this:
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Matt23:25-28

 

[Undergrace1]

Jesus never called the Ten Commandments a “ministry of death,” and He never released anyone from them. He said the opposite. He said, “If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). He taught, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15), and “Whosoever shall do and teach them… shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19).

Not committing adultery, murder, or theft is already obedience to the Ten Commandments, which shows these laws are still God’s standard. The “new way of the Spirit” does not remove the commandments. It writes them on the heart so we live them in love, not rebellion. Jesus never freed us from moral law, only from sin.

God did say he puts before us a choice, Do what you want, I explained to you what God expects.

for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, WHICH WAS ENGRAVED IN LETTERS ON STONE came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 2Cor3:6-9

 

[vassal]

Do you know the Ten Commandments are part of the Old Covenant?

Because the NT does not affirm the Sabbath Law as it did the moral commands in the Ten Commandments, one needs to discern the correct doctrine for Christians by considering the following Scriptures.

1. God rested from His work and rested on the seventh day and made it holy per GN 2:2-3.

2. Moses promulgated the Sabbath law as the 4th of the Ten Commandments in EX 20:8-11, cf. LV 19:3&30, DT 5:12-15.

3. Solomon builds a temple for burnt offerings on the Sabbath in 2CHR 2:4.

4. Isaiah said those are blessed who keep the Sabbath in IS 56:2-6.

5. Jeremiah commands keeping the Sabbath holy in JR 17:21-27.

6. Ezekiel referred to the Sabbaths in 20:12

7. Jesus declared he is Lord of the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath in MT 12:1-12.

8. Jesus healed a crippled woman on the Sabbath in LK 13:10-16.

If Jesus thought keeping the Sabbath was an important law, he would have affirmed it on these two occasions, but he did not specifically nullify it either, which jibes/harmonizes perfectly with Paul.

9. Paul taught that a person may rest on the Sabbath or not in CL 2:16, GL 4:9-11 & RM 14:5.

10. HB encourages Christians to enter God’s Sabbath rest by persevering faith in 3:7-4:11.

The primary sin per the NT is transgression of GRFS (GL 3:1-14), and secondary sins are transgression of Christ’s law (JN 13:34), which summarizes the OT moral laws (MT 22:37-40) affirmed by the NT (MT 5:17-48) and calls them the fruit of the Spirit (GL 5:22-23), which does NOT include all 613 laws of Moses, such as those pertaining to mildew and infectious disease in LV 14.

Jesus fulfilled/accomplished the 613 Mosaic laws (MT 5:17-19) and taught that righteousness must surpass/supersede that of the Pharisees (MT 5:20) including Paul (ACTS 22:3-5), to whom Jesus appeared, saying “Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen of me and what I will show you… I am sending you to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.”

Paul did just that when he preached to the folks (both Jews and Gentiles per ACTS 14:1-5) in Galatia (ACTS 13:49), encouraging them to remain true to the faith (ACTS 14:22), which he reiterated in his epistle, beginning “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel, which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ… But if anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (GL 1:3-9)

Paul stated the true gospel thusly, “I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ [the HS] lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved he and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness [holiness] could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Paul may also have written Hebrews, which warns against not entering God’s Sabbath rest by not holding firmly until the end the confidence/faith in Christ (HB 3:14, 4:2). HB 7:11-10:1 begins as follows:

“If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood, why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also… The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless, for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. Such a high priest truly meets our need… the Son, who has been made perfect forever, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven… The ministry of Jesus has received is superior to the old one [of Moses], since the NC is established on better promises… God said, ‘The days are coming when I will make a new covenant’ [JR 31:31-34]. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts… By calling this covenant ‘new’, he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.”

In this passage the Lord says that the OC including the Sabbath commandment is obsolete/abrogated by the Gospel of Christ. Need GW say more?

Okay, here is more Scripture where Sabbath law is viewed as Levitical rather than moral.

Matt. 5:17-20 – Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Law and that righteousness must surpass that of the Pharisees, who observed the Levitical laws (cf. Acts 22:2-3 & 26:4-5).

Matt. 12:1-8 – The disciples did what was unlawful on the Sabbath, but Jesus said the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.

Matt. 12:12-14/Mark 3:4-6 – Jesus said that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and healed a man, which prompted the Pharisees to plot to kill him for breaking the Sabbath.

Luke 13:10-17 – On a Sabbath Jesus broke Sabbath law by healing a crippled woman, which made the synagogue ruler indignant, so Jesus rebuked him for hypocrisy.

Luke 14:1-6 – While dining with a prominent Pharisee Jesus saw a sick man and healed him from dropsy, noting that an animal which had fallen in a well would have been pulled out with no objection.

John 5:1-18 – Jesus healed a paralyzed man on the Sabbath, so the Jews persecuted him for breaking the Sabbath law.

John 9:1-34 – Jesus healed a blind man on the Sabbath, who believed Jesus was a prophet, and the Jews had decided to excommunicate anyone who said Jesus was Messiah.

These Scriptures indicate that the main reason Jesus was crucified was for the crime of breaking Sabbath law and claiming to be from God. We see that Jesus never taught anyone to keep the fourth commandment and never hinted that it was an eternal moral law, but instead indicated that it is merely Levitical tradition, and so Paul wrote “Do not let anyone judge you… with regard to a Sabbath day” (Col. 2:16).

Your whole argument collapses at the foundation because you accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath, which is impossible. Jesus never sinned. He never broke God’s law. He only broke Pharisee traditions, not the commandment itself. When He healed, He showed the true meaning of the Sabbath, not rebellion against it. To say Jesus violated God’s law is to say He was a sinner, and that is blasphemous and against His own words.

You also mix together Jesus’ works with Paul’s opinions in a way that makes Paul override Jesus. Jesus affirmed the commandments, including the Sabbath, in Matthew 5:17–19, and He said the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath, not the destroyer of it. You treat the Sabbath as “obsolete,” even though God Himself blessed it at creation, commanded it with His own voice, and promised blessings to those who keep it. No verse in the words of Jesus or His disciples ever declares the Sabbath cancelled.

The worst mistake is this: you claim Jesus was crucified for breaking the Sabbath. Scripture says He was crucified because of false accusations and because the leaders feared His authority, not because He committed sin. Saying Jesus died for lawbreaking is to accuse the Holy One of guilt. That is the most serious error in your whole text.

you are rebellious and wont change. just remember Jesus will judge us all according to HIS words. the fact that that you agree and promote the false accusation of Jesus of breaking the sabbath , a commandment, proves your rebellion. Jesus was sinless.

 

[Dino246]

@TMS was correct I had also examined this. here are some texts from my personal Notes;

The doctrine of the Nicolaitans in the Book of Revelation was a false teaching that led Christians into moral compromise. Jesus said clearly that He hated their deeds because their teachings encouraged people to sin. Revelation 2:6 says, “But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.” Jesus repeats the warning in Revelation 2:14–15, where He connects their teaching to the way of Balaam, who taught Israel to sin by joining the world in idolatry and immorality. This shows that the problem was not careful obedience, but sinful living. Their doctrine removed the importance of God’s moral law and opened a door for believers to live in ways that God forbids.

Early Christian writers confirm this. Irenaeus, around AD 180, wrote that the Nicolaitans “lead lives of unrestrained indulgence” (Against Heresies 1.26.3). Hippolytus, around AD 200, said they taught Christians to “commit fornication” and to “eat things sacrificed unto idols” (Refutation of All Heresies 7.24). Clement of Alexandria, around AD 195, explained that they twisted Christian freedom and used it to justify sinful behavior (Stromata 2.20). All these early and trusted sources agree that the Nicolaitans preached a form of grace that allowed immorality, worldliness, and the rejection of God’s commandments.

Their beliefs can be summarized this way: they taught that it was legalism to keep God’s laws, that believers should not worry about moral commandments, that grace meant freedom from obedience, that because Jesus obeyed the law they did not need to, that the law was no longer important, and that grace and obedience could not exist together. This type of message removed the moral law from the church and lowered the moral standards of Christians in the ancient world. Their evil deeds came directly from their false belief that the grace of Jesus made moral living unnecessary.

The words of Jesus directly oppose this teaching. Jesus said in John 14:15, “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” He added in John 14:21, “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me,” and again in John 15:10, “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love.” Jesus warned that grace is not a license for sin. In Matthew 7:21–23 He said, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.” He then rejects those who practiced sin by saying, “Depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Jesus also declared that the commandments remain until the end. In Matthew 5:17–19 He said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law... Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law.” This completely disagrees with the Nicolaitan idea that the moral law does not matter.

Jesus’ disciples taught the same message. John wrote in 1 John 2:3–4, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar.” James taught that true faith is always joined with obedience, saying in James 2:17, “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead.” Peter taught holiness and separation from sin when he wrote in 1 Peter 1:14–16, “As obedient children... be ye holy in all manner of conversation.” These teachings from the apostles match the words of Jesus and stand in strong contrast to Nicolaitan-style grace that ignores obedience.
In simple words, the Nicolaitans taught that grace allowed Christians to live without moral restraint, but Jesus taught that love for Him is shown by keeping His commandments.

The Nicolaitan message removed God’s standards and weakened the church, but Jesus calls His people to holiness, obedience, and walking in the light. The warnings in Revelation show that teachings which dismiss God’s commandments and use grace as an excuse for sin are dangerous, and Jesus Himself rejects them.

Thanks.

Now… do you honestly think that those who disagree with you on this forum are teaching or practicing “a form of grace that allowed immorality, worldliness, and the rejection of God’s commandments”? If so, you haven’t been paying attention. If not, you’re tilting at windmills.

 

[vassal]

for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, WHICH WAS ENGRAVED IN LETTERS ON STONE came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 2Cor3:6-9

God did say he puts before us a choice, Do what you want, I explained to you what God expects.

 

[vassal]

Thanks.

Now… do you honestly think that those who disagree with you on this forum are teaching or practicing “a form of grace that allowed immorality, worldliness, and the rejection of God’s commandments”? If so, you haven’t been paying attention. If not, you’re tilting at windmills.

did I say this? or are you saying this?

 

[Dino246]

did I say this? or are you saying this?

I am asking you. I quoted your words.

 

[Undergrace1]

God did say he puts before us a choice, Do what you want, I explained to you what God expects.

If you understood the new covenant, and did not have a form of the old one, you would know, a person would not need to be told what God expects!!
Just because someone states:
You must obey the TC does not mean they themselves are obeying those commands. In truth, the people who better obey are the ones who do not make such a statement!

 

[Undergrace1]

it is very shallow to reject the commandments based on what you saw at that church.

Try to understand the new covenant, any applicable law God desires you to follow is written in your mind and placed on your heart under the core terms of the new covenant. And you know what that law is, for you cannot be ignorance or hide from it. It means, in your mind you know God does not you to steal, commit adultery, murder, take His name in vain, covet, and in your heart(the flesh is another matter) you do not want to do those things for that is where the law now is, in your heart.
So it is old covenant to keep stating ''you must obey the TC'' It would be the same as me telling you, you must follow your twelve times tables, which I assume you know.
I am under a new covenant, not a form of the old one. I do not look to an external law engraved in stone, for that is not where the law now is.
And I repeat, those who only seek obedience to the TC outwardly, are blind according to Jesus. They only have a watered down version of the TC, which is not in the bible!

 

[GWH]

Your whole argument collapses at the foundation because you accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath, which is impossible. Jesus never sinned. He never broke God’s law. He only broke Pharisee traditions, not the commandment itself. When He healed, He showed the true meaning of the Sabbath, not rebellion against it. To say Jesus violated God’s law is to say He was a sinner, and that is blasphemous and against His own words.

You also mix together Jesus’ works with Paul’s opinions in a way that makes Paul override Jesus. Jesus affirmed the commandments, including the Sabbath, in Matthew 5:17–19, and He said the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath, not the destroyer of it. You treat the Sabbath as “obsolete,” even though God Himself blessed it at creation, commanded it with His own voice, and promised blessings to those who keep it. No verse in the words of Jesus or His disciples ever declares the Sabbath cancelled.

The worst mistake is this: you claim Jesus was crucified for breaking the Sabbath. Scripture says He was crucified because of false accusations and because the leaders feared His authority, not because He committed sin. Saying Jesus died for lawbreaking is to accuse the Holy One of guilt. That is the most serious error in your whole text.

you are rebellious and wont change. just remember Jesus will judge us all according to HIS words. the fact that that you agree and promote the false accusation of Jesus of breaking the sabbath , a commandment, proves your rebellion. Jesus was sinless.

Actually, I accuse Jesus of fulfilling the Levitical/Mosaic Law including the Sabbath,
and instituting a new Covenant/Law of love via the HS (2Cor. 3:6-11, Heb. 7:11-10:1).
The writer of Hebrews treats the Sabbath/Levitical Law as superseded.

Yes, Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, and he taught that we are free to do good on that day as well as the rest of the week.

Yes, Scripture indicates that Jesus was crucified for contradicting the authority of the leaders by teaching it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt. 12:2-14).