Faith or Law?

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I disagree with those who promote rigid observance of Law in order to be righteous.

Just like the judizers back in the day, these people are working for the enemy to deceive people in to go back under the law of Moses and just like the Galatians that have fallen from grace

Once saved always saved is not true, if people turn away from the New Covenant and try to live under the old covenant it's curtains!
 
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We who are in Christ are no longer under the Condemnation of the LAW, the death penalty of the LAW.. Because our transgressions are atoned for.. But the Law is still good and true.. Unless you think it is good to commit adultery and steal and murder? Of course we still acknowledge and teach the Law. Because it reveals we are all Transgressors in NEED of the Atonement of The LORD Jesus..

Believing Jesus is to believe His Words.. All his words in Scripture.. Both OT and NT..

Believing IN Jesus is a combined believing and trusting in both the message of Jesus AND his Atoning blood..
Depends what you mean by The Law.

Seems to me that requiring clarification means that we Christians are no longer speaking the same language.
 
Just like the judizers back in the day, these people are working for the enemy to deceive people in to go back under the law of Moses and just like the Galatians that have fallen from grace

Once saved always saved is not true, if people turn away from the New Covenant and try to live under the old covenant it's curtains!
The word "saved" causes so much confusion. Christians need to quit using it! Or at least explain it properly, as I try to do. The word itself is fine. But Christians have reinterpreted it to mean "go to heaven when you die".

The word "saved" means "delivered". Check out what Jesus said about the gospel. it is not "go to heaven when you die". It is the gospel of the Kingdom of God: (Matthew 4:23)

Luke 4:18 & 19

“The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favour.”…

Lord Jesus also said that we must be born again in order to see the Kingdom of God. (John 3:3).

We are born again of a seed that cannot perish (1 Peter 1:23). Read it again: cannot perish. The life of Jesus is indestructible (Hebrews 7:16).

Tell me how the eternal can die? If you have the Son, you have that same, eternal, indestructible life. (1 John 5:12). Either you are alive in Christ now, forever, or you are dead in trespass and sin. There is no in between.

So where is the confusion? It is because there is another aspect of the Christian life that follows being born again. God starts to work on the process of saving our soul. Again, the word save is a source of confusion. Replace it with "deliver" and it might make more sense. The salvation/deliverance of the soul (1 Peter 1:9) is mentioned also in James 1:21. This is not the same as having eternal life. The part of us that is born again is the spirit. It is God's work and we have nothing whatsoever to do with it. The salvation of the soul does require our active participation. To be born again is instantaneous and irreversible. To experience the deliverance of the soul requires our cooperation with God and is a lifetime work.

There is a lot more to say, but I'll leave it at that for now.
 
Do this Journey man:

Please explain what you think the gospel is.....


Again,,,,there is only ONE version of the gospel.

Please state it.


HOW is understanding something that YOU do not agree with....
making a false claim??

You mean to say that if I do NOT agree with you about something...
I'm making a false claim?

You should think this through.


Please post where I said that God can be fooled.
Thanks.

Did I say we should give lip service?

You know, Journey man...
it's a little dangerous speaking to you.

You put words in my mouth,,
you misrepresent me,,
you tell me I make false claims.

Please reply to my requests above and show where I've stated what you THINK I stated.
thanks.
The "gospel" means "good news". And the good news is that God will not cast the whole of mankind into the lake of fire. The good news is that He has chosen to save a remnant of mankind for His own glory.
You're right, there is only one Gospel of the Lord Jesus. But there are 49,000 Christian Denominations, each has it's own interpretation of what it is saying.
My Church holds to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of faith.

https://www.cbcridgecrest.org/a-sum...aith,in the sixty-six books of Holy Scripture.

You claimed that God doesn't care about motive and that He accepts any and all good works. I'm paraphrasing you, as I'm not going to go back over you post to quote you word for word.

I mean you don't believe what God said, so you're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Gods Word. I quoted the scripture you rejected, so you can go back and see it.

Maybe you should reveal what you mean, if you think I didn't understand what you were trying to say.

 
We who are in Christ are no longer under the Condemnation of the LAW, the death penalty of the LAW.. Because our transgressions are atoned for.. But the Law is still good and true.. Unless you think it is good to commit adultery and steal and murder? Of course we still acknowledge and teach the Law. Because it reveals we are all Transgressors in NEED of the Atonement of The LORD Jesus..
Neither are we under it's tutorage. Now through Faith we live by and through the Spirit of God through Christ Jesus. And this Faith establishes the very Law to which was our schoolmaster. IF we are sinning then we are under the Law and under it's condemnation.
 
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The "gospel" means "good news". And the good news is that God will not cast the whole of mankind into the lake of fire. The good news is that He has chosen to save a remnant of mankind for His own glory.
You're right, there is only one Gospel of the Lord Jesus. But there are 49,000 Christian Denominations, each has it's own interpretation of what it is saying.
My Church holds to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of faith.

https://www.cbcridgecrest.org/a-summary-of-the-1689-london-baptist-confession-of-faith#:~:text=The 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith,in the sixty-six books of Holy Scripture.

You claimed that God doesn't care about motive and that He accepts any and all good works. I'm paraphrasing you, as I'm not going to go back over you post to quote you word for word.

I mean you don't believe what God said, so you're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Gods Word. I quoted the scripture you rejected, so you can go back and see it.

Maybe you should reveal what you mean, if you think I didn't understand what you were trying to say.
You follow the 1689 Baptist confession?

The 1689 does not even contain the good news.
There is no good news in the reformed faith.
What could the good news possibly be?
To wait around and see if God wills for us to be saved?

Here is the good news:

GOD LOVES HUMANITY AND WISHES THAT NONE BE LOST
GOD SENT HIS SON SO THAT WHOEVER BELEIVES IN HIM WILL BE SAVED
JESUS SACRIFICE WAS AN ATONING SACRIFICE OFFERED FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS FOR ALL MANKIND
JESUS DEFEATED SIN AT THE CROSS
HE DEFEATED DEATH AT THE RESURRECTION AND WE TOO WILL BE RESURRECTED
JESUS OPENED THE GATES OF HEAVEN FOR ALL WHO WERE WAITING FOR HIM
WE CAN BE FORGIVEN THROUGH BELIEVING/FOLLOWING JESUS

Will now go back to see why I asked.

OK
Because you misrepresented everything I stated so I felt your belief system needed to be clarified.

You sounded like some on here that believe there are two gospels.
 
@Journey_man

In post 897 you misrepresented almost everything I posted to you.
I asked you to please show where i posted your incorrect statements about me.

This seems to go on around here and I don't appreciate being misrepresented.

If you do not understand what I'm saying...
please ask for clarification
or
don't respond...that is always an option.
 
The "gospel" means "good news". And the good news is that God will not cast the whole of mankind into the lake of fire. The good news is that He has chosen to save a remnant of mankind for His own glory.
You're right, there is only one Gospel of the Lord Jesus. But there are 49,000 Christian Denominations, each has it's own interpretation of what it is saying.
My Church holds to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of faith.

The above includes YOUR faith system journeyman.

https://www.cbcridgecrest.org/a-summary-of-the-1689-london-baptist-confession-of-faith#:~:text=The 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith,in the sixty-six books of Holy Scripture.

You claimed that God doesn't care about motive and that He accepts any and all good works. I'm paraphrasing you, as I'm not going to go back over you post to quote you word for word.

Yes sir.
God accepts our good works.
Do you also believe they're like filthy rags as many do?
You're not supposed to believe that since you're reformed...
but who can know for sure these days.

I mean you don't believe what God said, so you're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Gods Word. I quoted the scripture you rejected, so you can go back and see it.
What part of what God said do I not agree with?
I agree with EVERYTHING GOD said.
I don't agree with everything MAN said.
John Calvin was a man BTW.
Maybe you should reveal what you mean, if you think I didn't understand what you were trying to say.
You absolutely did not understand anything of what I said because everything you read is colored by your belief system.
 
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We who are in Christ are no longer under the Condemnation of the LAW, the death penalty of the LAW.. Because our transgressions are atoned for.. But the Law is still good and true.. Unless you think it is good to commit adultery and steal and murder? Of course we still acknowledge and teach the Law. Because it reveals we are all Transgressors in NEED of the Atonement of The LORD Jesus..

Believing Jesus is to believe His Words.. All his words in Scripture.. Both OT and NT..

Believing IN Jesus is a combined believing and trusting in both the message of Jesus AND his Atoning blood..
We can only be under one covenant. The OC was our Tutor to bring us to Christ, but once He died, we are no longer under a tutor, He nailed it to the cross.
 
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What is a Protestant of the Roman Catholic Church?

I'd also say that the Christianity of disobedience, or the religion of disobedience,,,,
is NOT Christian....
it never was
and it never will be
which is why some on these Forums are MISLEADING persons...
Just like paul said would happen.
Amen ! Brother
This point has been made to people like @Dino246, @Inquisitor, @Psalm1, @ATG and ETC, who claim & believe they are "Christian" but promote, argue and teach a religion of untruth & disobedience, eg. dispensationalism. I'm NOT saying that these people are aware of their condition, for most all people in the world are under the deceptions & deluded by Satan. He is the “prince of the power of the air” Ephesians 2:2 and “the god of this world” 2 Corinthians 4:4

2 Timothy 3:5, describes people who profess faith but whose lives show no evidence of change. They may speak of God, pray, or spout Scripture, and yet continue in unrepentant sin, selfishness, worldliness, and disobedience to God's Law's and precepts. This "form" is their outward appearance of piety; yet the "power" refers to the transformative work of the Holy Spirit, which produces love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control Galatians 5:22–23.

Loving God and Loving our neighbors, is evidenced by our keeping God's 10 Commandments, God's Law of Love. The is not "To Be Saved" "Works", but because we ARE SAVED, "Love" for God and His Salvation, Jesus.

1 John 5:2–3
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
John 15:10
“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
2 John 1:6
This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
Galatians 5:14
“For the entire law is fulfilled in one word, in this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”


... and the 4th Commandment, keeping God's 7th Day Holy, shows our LOVE to commune with our God on HIS DAY, and give Him the respect and honor that He deserves as our Creator God, ... "Fear God" ~Rev 14:7
...
rather than honoring and giving Satan authority on HIS DAY, Sun Day worship, Pagan, other god worship throughout antiquity, which the Roman Church has made prominent for their purposes, to deceive, "even the elect", unto perdition.


These people “dishonour His name” by claiming to be Christians while living like unbelievers. <~ Luke 6:46 Jesus warned of similar hypocrisy in the Pharisees—“whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones” ~Matthew 23:27

True godliness is not about performance but heart change. Matthew 7:16–20 "You will know them by their fruits. If someone claims to follow Christ but shows no fruit of the Spirit, no repentance, and no obedience to God’s Word, they may have a form of godliness but are denying its power.

I used the word "may", because there is a group of men, in the world who KNOW who they serve. They are the military order of the Roman Catholic Church, the Jesuits. Who serve and do the bidding of the Pope / Papacy, ... "as if they were dead men" ... Doing the bidding of Satan's religious / political power here on Earth, the Antichrist. These men pretend to be Christian, to infiltrate world governments, church congregations, "forums", etc.. to try to "deceive even the Elect", the Saints, the Children of our Creator God.

My duty as a 7th Day Adventist Christian is to;
Revelation14: 12 ... keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

which includes giving God's final message to a this dying world, HERE TODAY, right before the eminent return of our Lord & King Jesus.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the middle of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. ( <~ Referencing God's Holy Sabbath Day )
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. ( Babylon, The Anti-Christ spirit's "doctrines of demons", religion of disobedience, & false prophets)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
( "the beast, = Satan's religious/ political power. ... MOTB = Sunday false Sabbath religious LAW )
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

I hope this answers your question of, " What is a Protestant of the Roman Catholic Church."
Our probationary life on this earth is all about
whom will we serve, by the decisions we make and whether we obey Father God and His Son, OR the rebel of heaven. I Pray, we ALL obey God ! ..

I'm "protesting" as did ALL the classical "protestant" reformers, by pointing out the Papacy as the Anti-Christ, for the same reasons TODAY, as Scripture requires we Christians, to be obedient to God, doing His Will, ... AS JESUS DID ... Amen!
~ Thanks for asking, Brother ! All Y'all have a blessed day !


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Amen ! Brother
This point has been made to people like @Dino246, @Inquisitor, @Psalm1, @ATG and ETC, who claim & believe they are "Christian" but promote, argue and teach a religion of untruth & disobedience, eg. dispensationalism.
Quote me.

Quote me where I have promoted, argued, and taught “a religion of untruth & disobedience, eg. (sic) dispensationalism.”

This should be entertaining.
 
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Amen ! Brother
This point has been made to people like @Dino246, @Inquisitor, @Psalm1, @ATG and ETC, who claim & believe they are "Christian" but promote, argue and teach a religion of untruth & disobedience, eg. dispensationalism. I'm NOT saying that these people are aware of their condition, for most all people in the world are under the deceptions & deluded by Satan. He is the “prince of the power of the air” Ephesians 2:2 and “the god of this world” 2 Corinthians 4:4

2 Timothy 3:5, describes people who profess faith but whose lives show no evidence of change. They may speak of God, pray, or spout Scripture, and yet continue in unrepentant sin, selfishness, worldliness, and disobedience to God's Law's and precepts. This "form" is their outward appearance of piety; yet the "power" refers to the transformative work of the Holy Spirit, which produces love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control Galatians 5:22–23.

Loving God and Loving our neighbors, is evidenced by our keeping God's 10 Commandments, God's Law of Love. The is not "To Be Saved" "Works", but because we ARE SAVED, "Love" for God and His Salvation, Jesus.

1 John 5:2–3
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
John 15:10
“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
2 John 1:6
This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
Galatians 5:14
“For the entire law is fulfilled in one word, in this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”


... and the 4th Commandment, keeping God's 7th Day Holy, shows our LOVE to commune with our God on HIS DAY, and give Him the respect and honor that He deserves as our Creator God, ... "Fear God" ~Rev 14:7
...
rather than honoring and giving Satan authority on HIS DAY, Sun Day worship, Pagan, other god worship throughout antiquity, which the Roman Church has made prominent for their purposes, to deceive, "even the elect", unto perdition.


These people “dishonour His name” by claiming to be Christians while living like unbelievers. <~ Luke 6:46 Jesus warned of similar hypocrisy in the Pharisees—“whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones” ~Matthew 23:27

True godliness is not about performance but heart change. Matthew 7:16–20 "You will know them by their fruits. If someone claims to follow Christ but shows no fruit of the Spirit, no repentance, and no obedience to God’s Word, they may have a form of godliness but are denying its power.

I used the word "may", because there is a group of men, in the world who KNOW who they serve. They are the military order of the Roman Catholic Church, the Jesuits. Who serve and do the bidding of the Pope / Papacy, ... "as if they were dead men" ... Doing the bidding of Satan's religious / political power here on Earth, the Antichrist. These men pretend to be Christian, to infiltrate world governments, church congregations, "forums", etc.. to try to "deceive even the Elect", the Saints, the Children of our Creator God.

My duty as a 7th Day Adventist Christian is to;
Revelation14: 12 ... keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

which includes giving God's final message to a this dying world, HERE TODAY, right before the eminent return of our Lord & King Jesus.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the middle of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. ( <~ Referencing God's Holy Sabbath Day )
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. ( Babylon, The Anti-Christ spirit's "doctrines of demons", religion of disobedience, & false prophets)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
( "the beast, = Satan's religious/ political power. ... MOTB = Sunday false Sabbath religious LAW )
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

I hope this answers your question of, " What is a Protestant of the Roman Catholic Church."
Our probationary life on this earth is all about
whom will we serve, by the decisions we make and whether we obey Father God and His Son, OR the rebel of heaven. I Pray, we ALL obey God ! ..

I'm "protesting" as did ALL the classical "protestant" reformers, by pointing out the Papacy as the Anti-Christ, for the same reasons TODAY, as Scripture requires we Christians, to be obedient to God, doing His Will, ... AS JESUS DID ... Amen!
~ Thanks for asking, Brother ! All Y'all have a blessed day !


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Uh....wheoponizing God's word against God's people??
While claiming to be a superior believer????

Lets see...who is the champion of that???
The devil.

Amazing the hippocrysy of Rob7 and his fellow little accusers of the brethren.

Ahem....lining up with the devil in accusing the brethren is a blue ribbon hypocrite award.

SMH.
Clown act big time
 
Neither are we under it's tutorage. Now through Faith we live by and through the Spirit of God through Christ Jesus. And this Faith establishes the very Law to which was our schoolmaster. IF we are sinning then we are under the Law and under it's condemnation.
Are you claiming to be without sin? Because the above statement is saying that if one sins then one is under the condemnation of the Law and thus the Blood atonement of the LORD Jesus is of no effect.. Useless to save sinners..
 
We can only be under one covenant. The OC was our Tutor to bring us to Christ, but once He died, we are no longer under a tutor, He nailed it to the cross.
He nailed the PENALTY of the Law to the cross.. The Law itself still stands, and sin is still sin..

Jesus said::

(Matthew 5:19) "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
 
He nailed the PENALTY of the Law to the cross.. The Law itself still stands, and sin is still sin..

Jesus said::

(Matthew 5:19) "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Plz cite Scripture where is the “penalty of law.”
 
We can only be under one covenant. The OC was our Tutor to bring us to Christ, but once He died, we are no longer under a tutor, He nailed it to the cross.
There is no rule that we can only be under one covenant, but rather there are multiple covenants that someone can be are under, such as with the covenant that God made with Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David. The Mosaic Law is truth (Psalm 119:142) and you call yourself TruthDefender, yet you are taking the position that we are no longer under truth.

Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after the purpose of a tutor has been fulfilled would would be missing the whole point of a tutor. The reason why God's Word brings us to God's Word made flesh is because he is the embodiment of it and because it was given to teach us how to know him, but the reason that it brings us to him is not so that we can then reject everything that he is and taught and go back to being doers of what it reveals to be wickedness.

In Matthew 27:37, they nailed a handwritten ordinance to Christ's cross that announced the charge that was against him, which fits perfectly with the concept of a handwritten ordinance that announced the charges that were against us being nailed to his cross instead and with him dying in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, but has nothing to do with nailing any laws to the cross. The reason why Jesus went to the cross was not in order to free us to become doers of what the Law of God reveals to be but just the opposite. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the Law of Moses but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20) while the way to reject everything that he is would be by returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from.
 
We can only be under one covenant. The OC was our Tutor to bring us to Christ, but once He died, we are no longer under a tutor, He nailed it to the cross.

Forgive my intrusion Brother but adstar was right. There is not two covenants, it is one Covenant that has been modified. Like when a addendum is added to an existing Contract based on (whatever) First stage is mostly complete so let's progress into the job. It's not a new contract, it is a modified contract. You could think of it as Our Covebant with God, Parts 1 & 2. Some contracts are unilateral and some are bilateral, depending on if only one party must do something or both party's have to do something to fulfill the contract.

Sorry Brother, I was a Mechanical Contractor for 22 years and we used a lot of contracts. Couldn't resist. I had solid contracts. The trick is thinking ahead because many times something not in the contract comes up, the job got bigger once it started through unforeseen circumstances. The Customer will say, well you can't raise the price it's part of the job. Can I see the contract? See right there it says completion of this portion will be completed as long as no anomalies or specific anomalies develop or exist? Yes sir, I'm sorry but sometimes it happens and sometimes it don't but yes, it will be extra. I lost money a few times and fixed it in my Contracts as I went along. Sorry, I'm babbling now lol.
 
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