THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ETERNAL LIFE ACCORDING TO JESUS

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whoever believes has eternal life
Let us be very clear about something because what is being taught here is not a small misunderstanding. It is a serious distortion of what Jesus actually said and it needs to be addressed honestly and directly.

Yes Jesus said whoever believes has eternal life. That is true and nobody is arguing with it. But the question you are carefully avoiding is this. What did Jesus Himself mean by the word believes? Because the way you are using it, as though simply acknowledging Jesus exists and nodding your head in His direction is sufficient for eternal life, is not what Jesus taught. Not even close. And teaching people that it is will lead them straight to the most terrifying moment imaginable standing before Jesus and hearing words they never expected to hear.

Let us go directly to His words because His words are the only standard that matters here.

In the same chapter as the most quoted verse in the Bible Jesus said something that completely redefines what genuine belief means and most people conveniently skip straight past it:

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36 KJV)

The phrase believeth not there is the Greek word apeitheo. It does not mean intellectual doubt. It means to disobey. To refuse to be persuaded. To be obstinate. John placed the promise of eternal life and the warning of God's wrath in the same sentence and defined the difference between them as obedience versus disobedience. Not belief versus atheism. Obedience versus disobedience. That is what genuine belief looks like according to the very chapter everyone quotes for their easy believe and you are saved theology.

And then Jesus said this in the same sermon where He promised eternal life to believers:

Not every one that saith unto me Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21 KJV)

Saying Lord Lord is a declaration of belief. These people believed enough to call Him Lord. They believed enough to do works in His name. They prophesied in His name. They cast out demons in His name. They did wonderful works in His name. By every outward measure of Christian religious life they looked like genuine believers. And Jesus looked at them and said:

I never knew you depart from me ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:23 KJV)

I never knew you. Not I used to know you. Not I knew you but you lost your salvation. I never knew you. Their belief was real enough to produce religious activity but not real enough to produce genuine obedience and genuine relationship with Christ. And Jesus rejected it completely and permanently. That is not a minor theological footnote. That is Jesus describing a massive category of people who thought they were saved, who called Him Lord, who did works in His name, and who will be devastated to discover on that final day that their easy believism was never the genuine article.

Jesus then tied belief, love and obedience together so tightly that no honest reading of His words can separate them:

If ye love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15 KJV)

He that hath my commandments and keepeth them he it is that loveth me. (John 14:21 KJV)

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings. (John 14:24 KJV)

Read that last one again. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings. Jesus is saying in plain language that a person who does not keep His words does not love Him. And a person who does not love Him does not genuinely believe in Him in the way that produces eternal life. You cannot honestly read those three verses and still teach that belief requires nothing beyond a mental acknowledgment. Jesus demolished that idea Himself in His own words on the night before He went to the cross.

He described genuine belief through the image of the vine and the branches and the warning He attached to it is sobering and serious:

If a man abide not in me he is cast forth as a branch and is withered and men gather them and cast them into the fire and they are burned. (John 15:6 KJV)

Cast into the fire. That is Jesus speaking. Not a theologian. Not a commentator. Jesus. A branch that produces no fruit is not genuinely connected to the vine regardless of how much it looks like it belongs there from the outside. And the destiny of that fruitless branch is fire.

He described it again through the two builders and the difference was not what they knew or what they believed intellectually. It was what they did with what they heard:

Every one that heareth these sayings of mine and doeth them not shall be likened unto a foolish man which built his house upon the sand. And the rain descended and the floods came and the winds blew and beat upon that house and it fell and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7:26-27 KJV)

Great was the fall of it. That is a description of catastrophic and final destruction. And the person who experienced it had heard the words of Jesus. They just did not do them. They believed enough to build a house. They just built it on the wrong foundation. And their version of belief could not survive the storm.

Now here is what makes teaching the kind of easy believism you are promoting so genuinely dangerous. It gives people false assurance. It tells them that a one time mental agreement or a prayer said at an altar somewhere in their past is sufficient for eternal life regardless of how they live afterward. It produces exactly the kind of person Jesus described in Matthew 7. Someone who calls Him Lord, does religious activities in His name and has absolutely no idea until it is too late that their belief was never the living, obedient, fruit bearing, commandment keeping faith that Jesus was talking about when He promised eternal life.

And the word Jesus used for that kind of false assurance is not gentle. He called it iniquity. Lawlessness. The Greek word anomia meaning a life lived without regard for God's law. And He said to those who lived that way while calling Him Lord the most devastating words any human being will ever hear:

Depart from me. (Matthew 7:23 KJV)

Teaching people that belief requires nothing, costs nothing and changes nothing is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is a distortion of it that leads sincere people to build their eternal destiny on sand. And Jesus warned about exactly that with complete seriousness and complete clarity.

Genuine belief in Jesus means trusting Him completely as Lord and Saviour. Loving Him with your whole heart. Keeping His commandments not to earn salvation but because a heart genuinely transformed by the Holy Spirit naturally desires to walk in the ways of the One it loves. Abiding in Him daily. Bearing fruit. Hearing His words and doing them. Building on the rock.

That is the belief Jesus promised eternal life to. Not a theological checkbox. A living, transforming, obedient, fruit bearing relationship with the Son of God that changes everything from the inside out.

He said it Himself with perfect simplicity:

Whosoever heareth these sayings of mine and doeth them I will liken him unto a wise man which built his house upon a rock. (Matthew 7:24 KJV)

Hear and do. That is genuine belief. Anything less is sand. And Jesus told us exactly what happens to sand when the storm comes.
 
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Yes Jesus said whoever believes has eternal life. That is true and nobody is arguing with it. But the question you are carefully avoiding is this. What did Jesus Himself mean by the word believes? Because the way you are using it, as though simply acknowledging Jesus exists and nodding your head in His direction is sufficient for eternal life

don't you think you're making quite a bit of assumptions about me by saying that, only because i quoted this?


John 6:47
Amen, Amen, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life.
 
Let us be very clear about something because what is being taught here is not a small misunderstanding. It is a serious distortion of what Jesus actually said and it needs to be addressed honestly and directly.

Yes, well let's do that. For example, why do you consistently try to create doubt in others by assuming you know everything they think or believe by focusing on one sentence or set of words. That is a tactic that is engineered to change the meaning of what they say and you are good at that, if nothing else.

Jesus also said He is the author of the New Covenant, with emphasis at the last supper and that has been addressed to you a good number of times and you consistently ignore that and seem to hope it goes away.

I tell you what, I know posts' beliefs from way back and he is not under suspicion of failing belief in Jesus at some point like you would like to make it seem. He does not need me to defend him, but I am out of patience with the way you twist what people say while assuming an air of superiority that belies the facts of what you actually believe.

You, however, I cannot vouch for due to your unbiblical assumptions that the 10 commandments are the Covenant.
 
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well lets hear it, be specific for a change, any verse(s) in mind? please don't cherry pick that one verse that we all know.

A single verse does not make the whole story, Christ did say many things about salvation and eternal life, all these numerous verses go together or the meaning is lost.

I was surprised you actually know that since that is not your own practice. :cautious:
 
Let us be very clear about something because what is being taught here is not a small misunderstanding. It is a serious distortion of what Jesus actually said and it needs to be addressed honestly and directly.

Yes Jesus said whoever believes has eternal life. That is true and nobody is arguing with it. But the question you are carefully avoiding is this. What did Jesus Himself mean by the word believes? Because the way you are using it, as though simply acknowledging Jesus exists and nodding your head in His direction is sufficient for eternal life, is not what Jesus taught. Not even close. And teaching people that it is will lead them straight to the most terrifying moment imaginable standing before Jesus and hearing words they never expected to hear.

Let us go directly to His words because His words are the only standard that matters here.

In the same chapter as the most quoted verse in the Bible Jesus said something that completely redefines what genuine belief means and most people conveniently skip straight past it:

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36 KJV)

The phrase believeth not there is the Greek word apeitheo. It does not mean intellectual doubt. It means to disobey. To refuse to be persuaded. To be obstinate. John placed the promise of eternal life and the warning of God's wrath in the same sentence and defined the difference between them as obedience versus disobedience. Not belief versus atheism. Obedience versus disobedience. That is what genuine belief looks like according to the very chapter everyone quotes for their easy believe and you are saved theology.

And then Jesus said this in the same sermon where He promised eternal life to believers:

Not every one that saith unto me Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21 KJV)

Saying Lord Lord is a declaration of belief. These people believed enough to call Him Lord. They believed enough to do works in His name. They prophesied in His name. They cast out demons in His name. They did wonderful works in His name. By every outward measure of Christian religious life they looked like genuine believers. And Jesus looked at them and said:

I never knew you depart from me ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:23 KJV)

I never knew you. Not I used to know you. Not I knew you but you lost your salvation. I never knew you. Their belief was real enough to produce religious activity but not real enough to produce genuine obedience and genuine relationship with Christ. And Jesus rejected it completely and permanently. That is not a minor theological footnote. That is Jesus describing a massive category of people who thought they were saved, who called Him Lord, who did works in His name, and who will be devastated to discover on that final day that their easy believism was never the genuine article.

Jesus then tied belief, love and obedience together so tightly that no honest reading of His words can separate them:

If ye love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15 KJV)

He that hath my commandments and keepeth them he it is that loveth me. (John 14:21 KJV)

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings. (John 14:24 KJV)

Read that last one again. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings. Jesus is saying in plain language that a person who does not keep His words does not love Him. And a person who does not love Him does not genuinely believe in Him in the way that produces eternal life. You cannot honestly read those three verses and still teach that belief requires nothing beyond a mental acknowledgment. Jesus demolished that idea Himself in His own words on the night before He went to the cross.

He described genuine belief through the image of the vine and the branches and the warning He attached to it is sobering and serious:

If a man abide not in me he is cast forth as a branch and is withered and men gather them and cast them into the fire and they are burned. (John 15:6 KJV)

Cast into the fire. That is Jesus speaking. Not a theologian. Not a commentator. Jesus. A branch that produces no fruit is not genuinely connected to the vine regardless of how much it looks like it belongs there from the outside. And the destiny of that fruitless branch is fire.

He described it again through the two builders and the difference was not what they knew or what they believed intellectually. It was what they did with what they heard:

Every one that heareth these sayings of mine and doeth them not shall be likened unto a foolish man which built his house upon the sand. And the rain descended and the floods came and the winds blew and beat upon that house and it fell and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7:26-27 KJV)

Great was the fall of it. That is a description of catastrophic and final destruction. And the person who experienced it had heard the words of Jesus. They just did not do them. They believed enough to build a house. They just built it on the wrong foundation. And their version of belief could not survive the storm.

Now here is what makes teaching the kind of easy believism you are promoting so genuinely dangerous. It gives people false assurance. It tells them that a one time mental agreement or a prayer said at an altar somewhere in their past is sufficient for eternal life regardless of how they live afterward. It produces exactly the kind of person Jesus described in Matthew 7. Someone who calls Him Lord, does religious activities in His name and has absolutely no idea until it is too late that their belief was never the living, obedient, fruit bearing, commandment keeping faith that Jesus was talking about when He promised eternal life.

And the word Jesus used for that kind of false assurance is not gentle. He called it iniquity. Lawlessness. The Greek word anomia meaning a life lived without regard for God's law. And He said to those who lived that way while calling Him Lord the most devastating words any human being will ever hear:

Depart from me. (Matthew 7:23 KJV)

Teaching people that belief requires nothing, costs nothing and changes nothing is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is a distortion of it that leads sincere people to build their eternal destiny on sand. And Jesus warned about exactly that with complete seriousness and complete clarity.

Genuine belief in Jesus means trusting Him completely as Lord and Saviour. Loving Him with your whole heart. Keeping His commandments not to earn salvation but because a heart genuinely transformed by the Holy Spirit naturally desires to walk in the ways of the One it loves. Abiding in Him daily. Bearing fruit. Hearing His words and doing them. Building on the rock.

That is the belief Jesus promised eternal life to. Not a theological checkbox. A living, transforming, obedient, fruit bearing relationship with the Son of God that changes everything from the inside out.

He said it Himself with perfect simplicity:

Whosoever heareth these sayings of mine and doeth them I will liken him unto a wise man which built his house upon a rock. (Matthew 7:24 KJV)

Hear and do. That is genuine belief. Anything less is sand. And Jesus told us exactly what happens to sand when the storm comes.

just as the one who was given but one good thing but buried it was condemned, the one who produced little gain with what little he was given, was accepted.

whoever comes to Him, He declares, He will in no wise cast out.

saying 'lord lord, didn't we do great works?' is not coming to Him as LORD, but as though He is an employer who owes you wages.
 
this is probably the worst, single most twisted citation possible you could choose to describe what is the basis of salvation in Christ.


He said this to a self righteous pharisee in love with his physical wealth, who did not believe he had any sin and who did not believe Jesus is the Christ.


so, yeah, if you are worldly, blind and unbelieving, if you deny the deity of Christ and all your trust is only in your own flesh, then yes, obviously your only hope is in the Law of condemnation and death.


... but that isn't Christianity.
Exactly.
The incomparable beauty of christianity is that the perfect one shed his blood, and in that covering, in that sacrifice, we have a way enter the family of God and into everlasting life..

The irony of ironies is that if a individual could possibly keep all of the law and all of the commandments, and all of his thought life, in perfect order , to a degree of perfection, that person would not need a savior.
It is like he told that pharisee, if you keep all the law you can enter into everlasting life.

Demonstrating the inadequacy of all of us.

But like you say, Jesus definately preached eternal life and NEVER THOUGHT HE failed in not bringing the kingdom.
Jesus as you put it, knew His mission.
To be the savior via the cross.

He preached EXACTLY THAT.
 
just as the one who was given but one good thing but buried it was condemned, the one who produced little gain with what little he was given, was accepted.

whoever comes to Him, He declares, He will in no wise cast out.

saying 'lord lord, didn't we do great works?' is not coming to Him as LORD, but as though He is an employer who owes you wages.
You cannot call Him Lord and then live as though His commandments are optional. Jesus said so Himself:

But why do ye call me Lord Lord and do not the things which I say? (Luke 6:46 KJV)

That question from Jesus is not rhetorical. It is a direct challenge to anyone who claims Him as Lord while living in disregard of His words.
 
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Exactly.
The incomparable beauty of christianity is that the perfect one shed his blood, and in that covering, in that sacrifice, we have a way enter the family of God and into everlasting life..

The irony of ironies is that if a individual could possibly keep all of the law and all of the commandments, and all of his thought life, in perfect order , to a degree of perfection, that person would not need a savior.
It is like he told that pharisee, if you keep all the law you can enter into everlasting life.

Demonstrating the inadequacy of all of us.

But like you say, Jesus definately preached eternal life and NEVER THOUGHT HE failed in not bringing the kingdom.
Jesus as you put it, knew His mission.
To be the savior via the cross.

He preached EXACTLY THAT.
You say if a person could keep all the law perfectly they would not need a saviour. That is absolutely true and Jesus demonstrated exactly that impossibility to the rich young ruler. The law shows us our need for Christ. Nobody is arguing against that.

But here is where the conclusion you are drawing parts ways with what Jesus actually taught. You are suggesting that because nobody can keep the law perfectly the commandments become essentially irrelevant once you have the saviour. But Jesus never said that. Not once. In fact He said the exact opposite on the very night before He went to the cross:

If ye love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15 KJV)

And:

He that hath my commandments and keepeth them he it is that loveth me. (John 14:21 KJV)

The saviour Himself told us to keep His commandments. Not to earn salvation. Not because we can keep them perfectly in our own strength. But because genuine love for Him naturally expresses itself in genuine desire to walk in His ways. The Holy Spirit does not free us from the commandments. He writes them on our hearts so we can finally keep them from love rather than fear. That is exactly what God promised through Jeremiah:

I will put my law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts. (Jeremiah 31:33 KJV)

Same law. Written deeper. By the Spirit. On a transformed heart.

The cross does not make the commandments unnecessary. It makes genuine heartfelt obedience to them finally possible. That is the glory of the New Covenant. Not freedom from God's moral law but the supernatural ability to walk in it from genuine love for the One who saved us.

And the warning Jesus gave in Matthew 7 still stands for every believer regardless of how sincerely they trust in the cross:

Not every one that saith unto me Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21 KJV)

Doeth. Present tense. Active. Ongoing. A life that genuinely belongs to Christ will show it not by perfect sinless performance but by genuine desire, genuine direction and genuine fruit growing from a heart that loves Him and takes His words seriously.

The cross is everything. And the One who died on it said if you love me keep my commandments. Both are true. Both stand. And you cannot honestly have one without the other.
 
You cannot call Him Lord and then live as though His commandments are optional. Jesus said so Himself:

But why do ye call me Lord Lord and do not the things which I say? (Luke 6:46 KJV)

That question from Jesus is not rhetorical. It is a direct challenge to anyone who claims Him as Lord while living in disregard of His words.

on the last day will you show Him your works and demand payment?
or will you rest confidently in His mercy?


a man once said to Him, these things i kept from my youth, but how do i gain eternal life?
He loved him.
 
the young rich man who did not earn his earthly riches and thinks he can earn salvation by works says,

"hey wise man, what should I myself do?"

God enfleshed says,

"why don't you know I AM? look at the law of sin and death, by which righteousness cannot be attained."

the fool and liar says,

"i have no sin but I realize the law isn't enough"

and God loves him because he has recognized that works cannot save.
This guy bragged on all his works, as if he were sinless. Jesus was sinless and summarily concluded that it was all worthless to Him and died for our love.

Just thinking of this is making my heart well up. 🥲
 
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on the last day will you show Him your works and demand payment?
or will you rest confidently in His mercy?


a man once said to Him, these things i kept from my youth, but how do i gain eternal life?
He loved him.

on the last day will you show Him your works and demand payment?
or will you rest confidently in His mercy?

Faith Without Works Is Dead​

Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

Jas 2:15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food.

Jas 2:16 If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that?

Jas 2:17 So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action, is dead.

Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.

Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

Jas 2:20 O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?

Jas 2:21 Was not our father Abraham justified by what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

Jas 2:22 You see that his faith was working with his actions, and his faith was perfected by what he did.

Jas 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God.

Jas 2:24 As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.

Jas 2:25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute justified by her actions when she welcomed the spies and sent them off on another route?

Jas 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.


a man once said to Him, these things i kept from my youth, but how do i gain eternal life?
He loved him.
you forgot omitted intentionally what Jesus said and why its crucially important here is what he really said;

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good?there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ====>>>The ten commandments

Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go andsell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, ========>>>> that man Prefered monry it bacame His god

Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

that is the truth of it.
 
Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, ========>>>> that man Prefered monry it bacame His god

earlier, about Jesus loving this man, you said Jesus doesn't love sinners - - tho if that were the case, He doesn't love any of us.

when Christ said, it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to be saved, His disciples marveled, and said who then can be saved? Christ replied that with man it is impossible, but with God, all things are possible.

you omitted this.

one question - - if this man didn't believe, why was he sad?
 
earlier, about Jesus loving this man, you said Jesus doesn't love sinners - - tho if that were the case, He doesn't love any of us.

when Christ said, it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to be saved, His disciples marveled, and said who then can be saved? Christ replied that with man it is impossible, but with God, all things are possible.

you omitted this.

one question - - if this man didn't believe, why was he sad?
where did I write Jesus does not love sinners?
 
earlier, about Jesus loving this man, you said Jesus doesn't love sinners - - tho if that were the case, He doesn't love any of us.

when Christ said, it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to be saved, His disciples marveled, and said who then can be saved? Christ replied that with man it is impossible, but with God, all things are possible.

you omitted this.

one question - - if this man didn't believe, why was he sad?
where did I write Jesus does not love sinners? second I speak of what Jesus said to keep the commandments to enter into life and he named them. so yes he was speaking about the commandments. It is you who obsess then this man not me, why was this man sad? its in there right after.. he had great riches and preferred these to follow Jesus. you know this, you just want to attract attention away from the main point, that Jesus said to keep the commandments named them and you don't like that...diversions to blind others to the truth is not good.....