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See how they reject the plain truth of untwisted verses?

They are false teachers that don't want people preparing to endure in Christ to the end when we all go through the GT.

Jesus said those days will be the worse time in history and that many people will leave the faith having not built up their faith to endure to the end. And to Jesus this is serious because it has eternal consequences.

I was studying the Bible to see if any false teachers have ever repented of deceiving others: there were NONE.

Also checked biblical history: NONE.

I asked God about that He gave me this verse:

1 Timothy 4:2 "Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron."

This is why it doesn't bother them that they are leading people to fall away from God in the GT with the false claim that Christians will be whisked away before that and won't have to endure per Jesus's instruction.

This why God wants them to be warned, to give them the opportunity to repent. But seeing as false teachers have never repented so far, God had inspired for it to be written in the Bible that:

2 Peter 2:3 "In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping."

So these false teachers will never accept the truth you show to them but twist them and tell other people not to believe you.

This is why God will not let them get away with all the damage they will cause to people who believe them.

It's a sure thing.


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PS - You're honestly doing the Lord's work defending His truth against all their twisting and confusing of scripture. It's pretty amazing!
We aren't the ones that say there is only one coming And reframe mat 24 gathering before the flood, and have no interpretation of the virgin parable or Rev 14:14.

There are 8 or so verses NOT IN YOUR WORKBOOK on the pretrib rapture.

We own end times.
 
We aren't the ones that say there is only one coming And reframe mat 24 gathering before the flood, and have no interpretation of the virgin parable or Rev 14:14.

There are 8 or so verses NOT IN YOUR WORKBOOK on the pretrib rapture.

We own end times.


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Lol, you act like your pre-trib rapture already happened! You're waiting for something that will only happen the way Jesus said. Post-trib.

But nevermind what Jesus said, right?

John 6:39 "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day."


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See how they reject the plain truth of untwisted verses?

They are false teachers that don't want people preparing to endure in Christ to the end when we all go through the GT.

Jesus said those days will be the worse time in history and that many people will leave the faith having not built up their faith to endure to the end. And to Jesus this is serious because it has eternal consequences.

I was studying the Bible to see if any false teachers have ever repented of deceiving others: there were NONE.

Also checked biblical history: NONE.

I asked God about that He gave me this verse:

1 Timothy 4:2 "Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron."

This is why it doesn't bother them that they are leading people to fall away from God in the GT with the false claim that Christians will be whisked away before that and won't have to endure per Jesus's instruction.

This why God wants them to be warned, to give them the opportunity to repent. But seeing as false teachers have never repented so far, God had inspired for it to be written in the Bible that:

2 Peter 2:3 "In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping."

So these false teachers will never accept the truth you show to them but twist them and tell other people not to believe you.

This is why God will not let them get away with all the damage they will cause to people who believe them.

It's a sure thing.


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PS - You're honestly doing the Lord's work defending His truth against all their twisting and confusing of scripture. It's pretty amazing!

“See how they reject the plain truth of untwisted verses?“

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
As stated before, yes there are MORE THAN 2 references to firstfruits.
Go pretend there are ONLY 2.
You are outta gas.
The bible rules.
Not your workbook.
Teachers will eventually make a fool out of you.

They left you in a "omission /reframe/repeat/ personal put down" wasteland.

We do our research and study.
That is why we own end times.
You are the only one left in here.

...and all you got left is put down little juvenile mess.

I do understand.
Every one of you does just that

None of you do enough study.
That is why you are so embarrassed.
Sad, your hatred has taken you to such nastiness.

Postrib heretics are fueled by a spirit.
That is the source of your nastiness.
I admire your gumption, have a nice day/night, God bless. As stated before, go back when you have studied Lev. 23. I may be the one running out of gas, while you're the one running out of the scripture. You've got nothing but name calling, and you've been accusing me of what you've been doing. Psst.
 
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I admire your gumption, have a nice day/night, God bless. As stated before, go back when you have studied Lev. 23. I may be the one running out of gas, while you're the one running out of the scripture. You've got nothing but name calling, and you've been accusing me of what you've been doing. Psst.
I stay away from going personal.
That is your methods I resist.

Postribbers will take the debate to that personal level.

It is rooted in resentment and hatred.

If you see me RESPONDING /PUSHING BACK against personal attacks, it is BECAUSE ya'll have dug that nasty hole in the first place.

It is up to what you want.
You want a civil, thoughtfull debate?

PROJECT THAT.
YOU GET BACK whatever you dish out.

Stop all your nonsense, cast aside the animosity, dust off your Bible...and let's go!!!!

I am ready , rested, and up to any honest debate.

You can get the champion of your doctrine and line him up against me.

I will MAKE HIM go against the bible.
That is my job.
That is why you are so frustrated.
That us why they all leave.
 
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I stay away from going personal.
That is your methods I resist.

Postribbers will take the debate to that personal level.

It is rooted in resentment and hatred.

If you see me RESPONDING /PUSHING BACK against personal attacks, it is BECAUSE ya'll have dug that nasty hole in the first place.

It is up to what you want.
You want a civil, thoughtfull debate?

PROJECT THAT.
YOU GET BACK whatever you dish out.

Stop all your nonsense, cast aside the animosity, dust off your Bible...and let's go!!!!

I am ready , rested, and up to any honest debate.

You can get the champion of your doctrine and line him up against me.

I will MAKE HIM go against the bible.
That is my job.
That is why you are so frustrated.
That us why they all leave.


Jesus is the champion of sound post-trib teaching. He said:

John 6:39 "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day."

And He won't come back before that.


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I stay away from going personal.
That is your methods I resist.

Postribbers will take the debate to that personal level.

It is rooted in resentment and hatred.

If you see me RESPONDING /PUSHING BACK against personal attacks, it is BECAUSE ya'll have dug that nasty hole in the first place.

It is up to what you want.
You want a civil, thoughtfull debate?

PROJECT THAT.
YOU GET BACK whatever you dish out.

Stop all your nonsense, cast aside the animosity, dust off your Bible...and let's go!!!!

I am ready , rested, and up to any honest debate.

You can get the champion of your doctrine and line him up against me.

I will MAKE HIM go against the bible.
That is my job.
That is why you are so frustrated.
That us why they all leave.
I do want a civil, thoughtfull debate, you don't. You've got no scripture, only angry rant.
 
I do want a civil, thoughtfull debate, you don't. You've got no scripture, only angry rant.
Cursing me and name calling .

Sad

And when called out it does not phase you.

What an act.
Trolling the body of Christ.
 
Jesus is the champion of sound post-trib teaching. He said:

John 6:39 "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day."

And He won't come back before that.


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Rev 14:14.
A gathering prewrath.

1 these 4 says the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

Your doctrine has "one coming".
Your doctrine has the dead in Christ rising at the second coming on white horses.

Your doctrine has the dead in Christ RISING AFTER THE PREWRATH GATHERING of rev 14:14.

100% impossible.
So poorly thought out.

GAME
SET
MATCH.

NO POSTRIBBER CAN UNPACK rev 14:14.

It single-handedly destroys ANY HOPE of a postrib rapture.

I just left your ENTIRE DEAL in ruin

Please never use "last day"
You are basically saying Rev 14:14 has a resurrection prewrath. Then claim it is postwrath at the second coming.

Pssst...the Rev 14:14 gathering has no resurrection, and it is beyond obvious that a prewrath gathering is NOT THE LAST DAY.

Your only verse That you pull out.
Is 100% misunderstood by you.

Show me the last day.

The 3 comings can not, and never will be one coming.

We now have 3 "last days"?

Let's pretend the second coming is the resurrection you are hoping for.

Like I said, the dead in Christ PRECEDE the living.

So Rev 14:14 destroys that second coming resurrection.

Totally anahilates it.

House of cards.
Postrib debacle
 
I admire your gumption, have a nice day/night, God bless. As stated before, go back when you have studied Lev. 23. I may be the one running out of gas, while you're the one running out of the scripture. You've got nothing but name calling, and you've been accusing me of what you've been doing. Psst.
Name a verse pointing to a postrib rapture.
I will wait.
Should be so easy.
 

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Lol, you act like your pre-trib rapture already happened! You're waiting for something that will only happen the way Jesus said. Post-trib.

But nevermind what Jesus said, right?

John 6:39 "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day."


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Yawn.
Show me the last day.
 
“See how they reject the plain truth of untwisted verses?“

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬
They never saw the AC or the trib, or the second coming on white horses.
 
I admire your gumption, have a nice day/night, God bless. As stated before, go back when you have studied Lev. 23. I may be the one running out of gas, while you're the one running out of the scripture. You've got nothing but name calling, and you've been accusing me of what you've been doing. Psst.
Ok.
The sheave offering?
You claiming that because of the sheave offering...what?
What does that dynamic do to make Jesus NOT FIRSTFRUITS?

The bible says JESUS IS THE FIRSTFRUITS.

What are you doing??????

What is ANY POINT of what you are doing??? ??

SHeave represents Jesus????
What does that do for you????
Where are you going with that????

The entire study ( if done honestly) would place "FIRSTFRUITS" As PART OF the resurrection.

Ahem....that AUTOMATICALLY makes the first resurrection as multifaceted...multilayered.

YOU NEED THAT TO GO AWAY.
"SHEAVE" DOES NOTHING TO MAKE THE FIRST RESURRCTION INTO YOUR REFRAME JOB.
ZERO.

What you are doing is trying to cram a resurrection of rev 20, happening after the 7 yr trib, and before the mil.

It is ridiculous on several points.
The first resurrection having firstfruits is just one hurdle you can not comprehend.

Since you can not comprehend it you take side roads of "sheave" ( thinking you now have diverted adequately) that do nothing for making FIRSTFRUITS GO AWAY.

YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT "SHEAVES" ERASES FIRSTFRUITS????????
 
They never saw the AC or the trib, or the second coming on white horses.

right ……Jerusalem never saw it’s destruction and the people never went through the Persecutions and slaughter Jesus warned then all was coming upon Jerusalem in his generation.

“But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. And it shall turn to you for a testimony. ( read the New Testament )

Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. But there shall not an hair of your head perish. In your patience possess ye your souls. And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. ( he’s talking about what was written in the ot law and prophets at the time he said this ) But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:12-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In other words rome never besieged jerusalem from ad 67-70 near the end of that generetion , jersualem wasn’t destroyed and the temple wasn’t torn down and every stone wasn’t removed leaving thier entire covenant worship desolate and impossible to do without a temple . which hasn’t existed in close to 2000 years since this was fulfilled in ad 70 .

Christian’s and Jews were
n’t tortured and tormented and slaughtered by the thousands under Nero and Titus . Nero never hung them in crosses and lit them ablaze to light his garden circus . The Jews weren’t dispersed into all nations after Jerusalems destruction and desolation .

and maybe this wasnt really happening according to scripture like Jesus was telling them there

“And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭26:27, 30-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The word of the LORD also came unto me, saying, Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house. ……..,And they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall scatter them among the nations, and disperse them in the countries. But I will leave a few men of them from the sword, from the famine, and from the pestilence; that they may declare all their abominations among the heathen whither they come; and they shall know that I am the LORD.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭12:1-2, 15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭28:64-65‬ ‭

“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Probably unrelated

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) then let them which be in Judæa ( it’s about this area ) flee into the mountains: let him which is on the house top not come down to take any thing out of his house: neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:15-19, 21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

look at the co temporary accounts and use all the information

And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. ( he’s talking about what was written in the ot law and prophets at the time he said this ) But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:12-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judæa flee to the mountains:

For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:14, 19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That whole line of prophecy is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad and the Jewish dispersia that followed.

The confusion is that Jesus was asked two seperete questions 1 what are the signs Jerusalem will be destroyed and it’s tenpke like Jesus had said ? And 2 what were the signs of his coming at the end of the world .


the answers are mixed together so ll the contemporary o formation needs to be looked at.



and finally I’m not actually expecting to see white horses , I figured that was linked to the prophetic figures in ot prophecy but that’s sort of another subject


you should look into the seige and destruction of jerusalem in ad 67- 70 by time it helps understand a lot of prophetic lines
 
Cursing me and name calling .

Sad

And when called out it does not phase you.

What an act.
Trolling the body of Christ.
You're taking the Lord's name in vain.
Name a verse pointing to a postrib rapture.
I will wait.
Should be so easy.
Name a verse pointing to the "zeroth" resurrection.
I will wait.
Should be so easy.
 
You're taking the Lord's name in vain.

Name a verse pointing to the "zeroth" resurrection.
I will wait.
Should be so easy.
I asked first.
We will note the dodge.
You were invited to post a postrib rapture verse

Note: not more than one. A single verse.
You could not do it.

Too funny
 
I think it fulfills the firsfruit, you think it erases.
Now that you finally said the forbidden word.
Tell me how Rev 20 now works out for you.

It is like you finally admitted the 1st resurrection STARTED 2000 years ago, with firstfruits.

Ist fruits= Jesus and the resurrected saints of paradise.
Main harvest = 1st thes 4.
Corners and gleaners= the martyred saints (the innumerable number in heaven....ahem..waving palm branches)

All the "first resurrection."

Hello...waving palm.branches...hello, sound familiar????

But you will dodge it all.
(I posted it for the reader.)

Now Rev 20, "they lived and reigned", has nothing to do with a "1st resurrection" HAPPENING right before the mil.
I mean, can you stop a second and play out the postrib theory???
You guys say the dead in Christ rise first, hello,,,,AT THE SECOND COMING and meet Jesus in the air!!
Ahem.... you really are unaware, that if you claim a "1st resurrection", at verse 20,
YOU ARE NOW PLACING A SECOND FIRST RESURRECTION AFTER THE BATTLE?????

Ludicrous.
 
I asked first.
We will note the dodge.
You were invited to post a postrib rapture verse

Note: not more than one. A single verse.
You could not do it.

Too funny
If the request is one verse often cited for a post-tribulation rapture, a commonly referenced one is from the Gospel of Matthew:

Matthew 24:29–31
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

Many people who hold a post-tribulation view point to this passage because the gathering of the elect is described as happening “after the tribulation.”

Different Christian traditions interpret this passage differently (pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, etc.), but that verse is frequently used in post-trib discussions.