Loss of salvation???

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Not immature, sir.
I already know who my spiritual father is.
And, you keep trying to take over that household.

Go start your own church with young believers where they lack the knowledge you offer.
Your spiritual father is RBT or ? and not the Word or His men who wrote it in Spirit?

Public forum. Find your camp and stay there if you don't want opposition.

You're trying to convince that you have mature understanding and status, while your written words don't match.

Maturity in camp doctrine is good while preaching to the camp choir. Your camp security blanket doesn't exist out here.
 
I know you're reformed - as is the "all kinds" view shared by Calvinism advocates.

Nice try on twisting what I said. Poor try on twisting what the Word says. And "Nice" was rhetorical.
Well, let's go a little deeper.

What part do you suppose verses 20-22 of chapter 12 played in the translation in the NKJV of peoples?
 
The phrase eternal life denotes permanence.

'Eternal', denotes being outside of time.
Life that has no beginning that can have no end.
God is eternal... "Always was, and will always be being."

Once we enter into timeless of eternal life their can be no end to it.
For, to have an ending requires it be dependent upon having its existence based upon time.

Eternal life transcends our ability to experience it with our finite minds.
As we are, we can not stabilize in eternal life alone, for we need something solid to stand on, or hold onto.. and to see.
So what we are able to comprehend (while being sustained by eternal life) is to be our experience of everlasting life.

Everlasting life = Having a beginning, but no end.
Having no end can not exist without eternal life being our road beneath us to walk on.
 
Your spiritual father is RBT or ? and not the Word or His men who wrote it in Spirit?

Public forum. Find your camp and stay there if you don't want opposition.

You're trying to convince that you have mature understanding and status, while your written words don't match.

Maturity in camp doctrine is good while preaching to the camp choir. Your camp security blanket doesn't exist out here.

You got rhetoric that is technically correct for your concept.
But you are not proving your concept.

Prove all things.

My approval of what you present does not make it real.
You live it. You prove it.
Pioneer the way, and then come back to lead others.

Can you go it alone until proven?
 
Nope. Some that have been born again will end up going to hell because they denied the Lord,

1 Cor 3:11-15 is speaking of our works and is not speaking of denying the Lord, turning away from him to go back to living in sin.

Those claiming one can go live in sin and still be saved are speaking in behalf of the devil.

Some folks have been programmed by false teachers to reject the whole counsel of God.

These people are not qualified to talk about the things of the Lord because they are peddling deception and are the tares Jesus warned about.
Hillbilly lynching mob mentality....

Not a good place to be, sir.
 
You plainly do not know what it means to be born again. Tell me how eternal life can die?

Don't make him think too deeply.
It will kill him.
He fears that!

For, we know...
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.
And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and
gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20​
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Well, let's go a little deeper.

What part do you suppose verses 20-22 of chapter 12 played in the translation in the NKJV of peoples?
We disagree on John12:32. I know what the grammar says there and I disagree with Reformed Election doctrine and your associated 'peoples' desire.

Will leave it at that.
 
We disagree on John12:32. I know what the grammar says there and I disagree with Reformed Election doctrine and your associated 'peoples' desire.

Will leave it at that.
Nothing wrong with grammar. Context is also important. I know that you believe many simply repeat doctrine that has come from theological training without scholarship, but it isn't always the case.

Grace and peace.
 
'Eternal', denotes being outside of time.
Life that has no beginning that can have no end.
God is eternal... "Always was, and will always be being."

Once we enter into timeless of eternal life their can be no end to it.
For, to have an ending requires it be dependent upon having its existence based upon time.

Eternal life transcends our ability to experience it with our finite minds.
As we are, we can not stabilize in eternal life alone, for we need something solid to stand on, or hold onto.. and to see.
So what we are able to comprehend (while being sustained by eternal life) is to be our experience of everlasting life.

Everlasting life = Having a beginning, but no end.
Having no end can not exist without eternal life being our road beneath us to walk on.
I don't think any of us will be outside of time. Maybe. Where do we get that idea?
 
But you are not proving your concept.
I've been at this long enough to know you don't prove things by saying or writing them.

If the light-bulb does not turn on - it doesn't turn on.

One of the things I found in a few decades of teaching was that people needed to think and not just be preached to. In many teaching environments tests are given to proved competency in understanding. The church doesn't seem to think much of this.

The church puts infants in pews and either doesn't teach, teaches milk for the masses which is mostly infancy, teaches some meat for the non-infants which means it goes over the head of the infants, and so on, and rarely does it do anything to see who's learning anything.

I and others have taught, then heard students say off the wall things - have asked them where they got such a thing - and have been told, "from you." So, there's also this thing some call a filter that changes what people are hearing into something else based in their presuppositional structure.

There're also other dynamics at work, like people who attend only because they think they're supposed to, but who are really not listening. And among them, some that nod off 10 seconds after teaching begins even in small groups where they're not hidden at all.

There is so much at play here, Genez.

I ended up teaching small groups. The more I formatted interaction which allowed me to do intermittent testing by asking questions, the more I saw that few are really learning the Text because I taught at the textual level which requires more reasoning than being grilled with systematic doctrines.

I asked you and @Kroogz to look at 2 Scriptures that can seem to conflict with one another. I translated them in a legitimate way that can show how and why they don't conflict. The verb tenses including the proper way to understand the perfect tense can alone tell us why there is no conflict.

Neither of you interacted in a meaningful way although @Kroogz said a few meaningful things.

I don't profess to be able to teach everyone spiritual things. There are too many S-spiritual things going on in and around people to kid oneself that it's all up to me. I also know the difference between someone who wants to learn and someone who doesn't.

You know the terminology '+V'. I came to see what I called the '+V stare'. It's very rare, but when you're teaching the Bible, there is that one new person that is in attendance who is so locked in that they are like a bright light shining in the room. It's quite the thing and so not the norm. It's like seeing all the way into their soul.

If you want to interact and maybe learn, please don't try to lay all the responsibility on me or anyone else.

Whether or not you realize this, I'm open to learning and some of what I learn comes from interaction that makes me go back and look at things again and again and at times takes me deeper than I've been before. If you've noticed, I don't do much if any copy and pasting. I threw away decades of notes and look at everything at the textual level over and over again whenever I get into a discussion.

Let's see what you've got. If you have to eat crow, I'll provide the salt. If I have to, then I hope you'll do the same.
 
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God saves permanently!

Go does not, only appear to save.

What sin can you commit after salvation that Jesus did not bear on the Cross?
Maybe what you should have said was thank you for showing the error in what I was sharing. May the Lord have mercy on us. I will not share that again. Praise God!

But God saves permanently! God does not, only appear to save.

What sin can you commit after salvation that Jesus did not bear on the Cross?
 
If you escaped a house on fire by going through an exit tunnel ?
Will you stop being "escaped" from the fire if that tunnel is destroyed after having used it to escape?

The faith needed to be saved?
It was there at the moment it was needed to be saved.

So?
What happens to your faith after your were saved?
That will determine if you continue to mature spiritually.

But, no matter what... you were already saved from Hell the moment you believed in Jesus.
That’s not the issue!!!

As the verse states, as long as you hold onto your faith. The issue at hand is if a person no longer has faith.
If you escaped a house on fire by going through an exit tunnel ?
Will you stop being "escaped" from the fire if that tunnel is destroyed after having used it to escape?

The faith needed to be saved?
It was there at the moment it was needed to be saved.

So?
What happens to your faith after your were saved?
That will determine if you continue to mature spiritually.

But, no matter what... you were already saved from Hell the moment you believed in Jesus.
Bad analogy.

Anyway, that’s not the issue!!!

As the verse states, as long as you hold onto your faith, you have salvation. The issue at hand is if a person no longer has faith. They opt out. Get it?

Haven’t you ever known people who were saved and then the next thing you know, they left the faith? They’re no longer saved, because they no longer have faith in God.

As the verse states, salvation is only through faith.
 
So... God picks you out of the garbage heap of humanity?
Says you are His?

Then, if you do something to displease Him?
He tosses you back to where you same from?
It’s nothing to do with what He does, in this case. This is all to do with a person throwing their faith away!