Loss of salvation???

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JayWalker said:
You wouldn't be claiming man does not reap what he sows would you?
I hope not as that would be mocking God.

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Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.
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A believer reaps punishment for disobedience.

He does not reap a spiritual abortion from God.

Yes.... the willfully ignorant who are in Christ will reap the sin onto death. 1 John 5:16

Show me one passage were is says one will lose salvation?
Punishment? Yes.
But, loss of salvation?

We should see many passages stating plainly that if a believer refuses to do God's will, he will lose his salvation and sent to Hell.
You can't find one.
 
TruthDefender said:
I think what people are getting confused over is what Christ did initially vs what we do after we are saved. This seems to be the biggest issue!

I’ve noticed a lot of proponents for the OSAS doctrine, which isn’t Scriptural. These people seem unable, or refuse to understand simple verses that specify salvation is based on faith. They refuse to believe that people havE lost faith and therefore have lost salvation.
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Hey?
You want to remain being a dummy?

If God can't stop you?
Who am I to try to stop you?
 
TruthDefender said:
It’s nothing to do with what He does, in this case. This is all to do with a person throwing their faith away!
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If you received a vaccination that gives you permanent immunity from a specific disease?
You can not undo that vaccination.

But, if you are hard headed and stubborn enough?
You can eat junk and abuse how you live....
And?
Die from something else.

Why do we have stupid believers?
 
TruthDefender said:
Belief in God and His Son. Do you??
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For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; ​
as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.” Romans 1:17​

If you believe about the creation account?
That is faith!

When you believe about the Exodus?
That is faith"

"From faith to faith!"

We are to keep growing in grace and knowledge of God's Word! (2 Peer 3:18)

As we learn in grace more knowledge of God's Word?
We will be growing"from faith to faith!"

Faith is not simply limited to our one time initial belief in Jesus Christ.

We are to keep growing in knowledge of God's Word! Growing in our faith!

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, ​
so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ. ​
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Philippians 1:9-10​
 
TruthDefender said:
It’s nothing to do with what He does, in this case. This is all to do with a person throwing their faith away!
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You have to have it before you can throw it away.

You?
You refuse it before you can have it.

You like your ignorance.
You feel at home with it.
 
Sipsey said:
. What do you figure Paul believed? Seems his opinion would supercede ours
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I see him and the NC explaining it from a relational sense of security and endurance which has both God and us doing our respective parts under His grace as He specifies.

I've said many times I disagree with 'monergism' and don't like the term 'synergism' and because we are where we are with denominational systematic theologies that have stripped biblical faith of it's meaning, at this time I prefer something like "'willingly responsive & cooperative abiding & enduring faith-obedience under grace' which has to include good works.

I'm intentionally not writing this out in full and I think what I just said could stimulate respectful discussion if such is to be had on these forums.

If it'll help with the Scripture you asked about, I think it's best that we look at the present tense verbs there and in context as being continual and that the time marker "always" in 2Cor5:6 is there for a reason complimentary to the present tenses.

I'd also say that looking in close context we see Paul talking about both we and God being actively involved in our relationship as I mentioned in my first sentence above.

How about you - what do you think?
 
studier said:
I see him and the NC explaining it from a relational sense of security and endurance which has both God and us doing our respective parts under His grace as He specifies.

I've said many times I disagree with 'monergism' and don't like the term 'synergism' and because we are where we are with denominational systematic theologies that have stripped biblical faith of it's meaning, at this time I prefer something like "'willingly responsive & cooperative abiding & enduring faith-obedience under grace' which has to include good works.

I'm intentionally not writing this out in full and I think what I just said could stimulate respectful discussion if such is to be had on these forums.

If it'll help with the Scripture you asked about, I think it's best that we look at the present tense verbs there and in context as being continual and that the time marker "always" in 2Cor5:6 is there for a reason complimentary to the present tenses.

I'd also say that looking in close context we see Paul talking about both we and God being actively involved in our relationship as I mentioned in my first sentence above.

How about you - what do you think?
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Having read and studied Paul’s writing for several decades, I have concluded that the longer he taught, the more humble he became. There is no arrogance in his claims of salvation, for him or us. The more mature a believer becomes, the more aware they are of their sins and their severity. It is not easy believism that I speak of. My faith has been forged by extreme suffering through a great deal of my 75 years, yet it remains stronger now than when first kindled some 60 years back. Our answer as to who Jesus is will determine our fate.
 
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Genez said:
If you received a vaccination that gives you permanent immunity from a specific disease?
You can not undo that vaccination.

But, if you are hard headed and stubborn enough?
You can eat junk and abuse how you live....
And?
Die from something else.

Why do we have stupid believers?
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But your vaccination analogy asserts permanence that you've not proven as analogous to salvation.

You're trying once again to circumvent the actual meaning of a perfect tense verb.

Also, you're assertion that nothing can undo the vaccination is pure conjecture.

This is actually a good example of eisegesis and a false analogy plus a few other fallacies.

Good question at the end.
 
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Sipsey said:
Having read and studied Paul’s writing for several decades, I have concluded that the longer he taught, the more humble he became. There is no arrogance in his claims of salvation, for him or us. The more mature a believer becomes, the more aware they are of their sins and their severity. It is not easy believism that I speak of. My faith has been forged by extreme suffering through a great deal of my 75 years, yet it remains stronger now than when first kindled some 60 years back. Our answer as to who Jesus is will determine our fate.
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Our fate is not determined by a word here or there, but by a preponderance of the evidence.
 
Genez said:
Deal with what was said. Was it truth? Or, not truth.

That seems to be what you do not want to deal with.

Was it true?
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Was what true - that RBT was not your spiritual father?

If you say so.

How about your human spiritual tutor - your 'right pastor(s)-teacher(s) - was he/were they inerrant?

How about your own work in Scripture - did you carry forward and are you retaining errors in your theology?
 
studier said:
But your vaccination analogy asserts permanence that you've not proven as analogous to salvation.

You're trying once again to circumvent the actual meaning of a perfect tense verb.

Also, you're assertion that nothing can undo the vaccination is pure conjecture.

This is actually a good example of eisegesis and a false analogy plus a few other fallacies.

Good question at the end.
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So you are making it known that (to you) salvation is just an opportunity to try something out, from God, and not a gift?
 
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