Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

[Just_A__Follower]

You're upset. That must be unpleasant for you. Question: Do I understand what the phrase "saved by faith alone" means? Answer: Yes. I suspect what you will do now is tell me how works, result from faith, are a product of faith, flow from faith, etc etc am i right? Lets save time of course I am

I’m not upset at all. What does it mean?

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Because it’s only a part of Scripture that perhaps you are preaching as a whole, which is incorrect.

I wasn’t “preaching” anything. I asked him why it triggers him so much. Does it also trigger you?

 

[TruthDefender]

I wasn’t “preaching” anything. I asked him why it triggers him so much. Does it also trigger you?

Did you not read what I said?

Are you not “triggered” when people twist Scripture??

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Did you not read what I said?

Are you not “triggered” when people twist Scripture??

How did I twist scripture?

 

[Mem]

God said, "My strength is made perfect in weakness" and so I would think that, by that, we might get a better idea of what works perfecting faith would mean.

 

[Nedsk]

Anxious are we? I just made a statement, nothing more.

Do you not know how to “Look up a word” on your fon? Perfect means complete in that verse. Your point?

Faith is completed by works just as James says. If faith alone was sufficient it wouldnt need completion.

 

[Nedsk]

I’m not upset at all. What does it mean?

Oh course you are. If faith alone was sufficient it wouldnt need completion.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Oh course you are. If faith alone was sufficient it wouldnt need completion.

you said you understood what “saved by faith alone” means. What does it mean?

 

[TruthDefender]

How did I twist scripture?

I didn’t say you per se. You asked me a question.

 

[TruthDefender]

Faith is completed by works just as James says. If faith alone was sufficient it wouldnt need completion.

Which is what my quoted verse eludes to. I try not to explain any verses, because some will just say that it’s just my interpretation. Ridiculous!!

 

[ATG]

I understand that. But you also make generalizations that aren't true. But not everyone who believes faith-alone is morally lax.

The fallacy you’ve employed is called the fallacy of composition. It’s the mistake of assuming that what is true of individual members of a group must also be true of the group as a whole—if a group shares one thing in common, they must share all things in common. It is not true, as you suggest, that all of those who believe in faith-alone are morally lax.

The standard faith-alone justification hypocrisy you employ is not answering direct questions about your faith-alone justification, and instead go on blathering about how others get it wrong, or just can't seem to get it at all.

How can anyone get it, when them that gave it refuse to answer for it? And so, all others get is more nonanswering rubbish.

And so we must answer for you, based solely pon what faith-alone justification apart from works means: Faith-alone justification is is for being justified by faith-alone, when also doing the same unrighteousness as the unbelievers.

Jesus Christ says your faith-alone justification will end in your grave, and He will judge your works equally as with all men.

Heb{9:27}
It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Rom 2:3
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?...For there is no respect of persons with God.

Gal 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting…For there is no respect of persons with God.

Of course, once again and again and again, if anyone wants to say that their faith-alone does not also include justification while doing the same unrighteousness as others, then we can have a common understanding, that is different from the otherwise obvious hypocrisy of faith-alone justifies a sinner while also doing the same unrighteousness as other sinners...

No takers so far, not even the decency of Pharisees, that at least openly said they wouldn't tell...

 

[ATG]

Chapter and verse, please.

I've repeated Scriptures enough to every one of you faith-alone justifiers.

Tit 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

If you want to argue against the Scriptures, then you'll need to quote them for yourself. Accurately.

 

[ATG]

Your not answering the question.

Your reply is simply, tit for tat, you should make an effort to reply.

Mat 21:27
And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

 

[Roger316]

The standard faith-alone justification hypocrisy you employ is not answering direct questions about your faith-alone justification, and instead go on blathering about how others get it wrong, or just can't seem to get it at all.

That's funny. First, you make up stuff about me, then you are critical of what YOU made up?

Instead of attacking people, why not improve your argument?

Of course, once again and again and again,

Which is it? Once, or again three times?

 

[Just_A__Follower]

I didn’t say you per se. You asked me a question.

You commented on my question to ndesk. So I did in fact ask you a question which you answered with a question which I answered with another question. I thought we were playing question for question game. Did you want to answer the original question or are you just tired of playing the game?

 

[Dino246]

I've repeated Scriptures enough to every one of you faith-alone justifiers.

Tit 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

If you want to argue against the Scriptures, then you'll need to quote them for yourself. Accurately.

Don’t be a jackass. You made a specific statement; back it up with Scripture.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Oh course you are. If faith alone was sufficient it wouldnt need completion.

I’m confused. You say you understand what “saved by faith alone” means but you can’t explain what it means?

 

[mailmandan]

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, (apart from additions or modification, hence faith alone) we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[ATG]

Then you have disqualified yourself from salvation.

Really? Even though I have faith in Jesus Christ alone? Aren't I therefore unconditionally saved by my faith in Christ alone? Or, do you now judge believers' faith in Christ based upon their actions, such as preaching and practicing justification with works ?

Or, am I not unconditionally saved and justified by my faith in Christ alone? If not, then are you? If so, then what's the difference? Is it works?

You see, once anyone declares anyone else having faith in Christ, unsaved. Then salvation cannot be by faith-alone in Christ.

Unless of course faith-alone salvation without works is a hypocritical lie, that is only for those who approve the salvation of some believers in Christ, beginning with themselves, and disapprove the salvation of other believers in Christ, that are not like themselves.

So, by your judgment of another believer in Christ alone, as not being saved, not everyone having faith in Christ alone is unconditionally. Your judgment says the believer must also teach, act, and conduct themselves rightly. (Which would of course, be like you alone.)

 

[ATG]

Salvation is a free gift and you must accept that.

Not without repentance form dead works, nor for justification with dead works.

The revealing problem with faith-alone justifiers, is they must make proselytes out of as many people as they can. It's the self-deceiving error of having safety in numbers.

Matth 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
The flood proves that if most all the people in the world agree with a lie, then all the liars in the world shall perish:
2Th 2:10
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Your good works are empowered by the Holy Spirit working through you.

Correct, as are all good works justified by God through the Holy Spirit.

Faith is definitely dead without works so why bother mentioning the obvious.

Why bother preaching faith-alone justification without works?

Which includes justification by faith-alone with dead works.

Works do not and cannot contribute to salvation because that reconciliation cannot
be earned by you.

Dead works do not and cannot contribute to justification, because there is no reconciliation with Jesus Christ the righteous, by anyone doing unrighteousness.

Isa 55:7
Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

1 Cor 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind…Gal 5:19 and such like of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Some how your going to have to sort your twisted theology out.

There's no way to sort out your self-righteous justification with sinful deeds, enough for the righteous to practice it.

Psa 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that is doing righteousness at all times.

1 John{3:7}
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Salvation is only by the grace of God through our Lord Jesus Christ alone.

Correct. From sinning, not with sinning.

Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sinning.
Jhn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sinning of the world.

1Jo 3:5
And we know that he was manifested to take away our sinning; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him is not sinning: whosoever is sinning hath not seen him, neither known him.

If you think for one moment that a good work justifies you before God almighty.

Then you believe the Scripture of God, and not the hypocrisy of justification by faith-alone.

Which includes being justified while doing an evil work.

Galatians 2:21
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.

Galatians 5:4
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Grace always comes first.

Only for faith-alone justification with unrighteous deeds.

Repentance always comes first for grace and faith toward God to do good, and not evil.

Acts 2:37
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?...Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

2 Cor 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of:

Heb 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,