The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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good luck to ya, and ill very gladly leave you alone, but before you shut the door on truth. read and learn what Jesus said.
Please learn how to reply to people in the right way.
Dude leave me alone. For the last time. I'm not here to debate. Your asking about obedience, and saying we live by the law, really obedience has to do with the law right ? I'm tired and wore out on you. I do know the word says faith in obedience cover a multitude of sin. SO LEAVE ME ALONE. Mr super Christian know it all
To answer your questions, just go back thru the recent past pages of THIS THREAD....
These particular questions have already been dealt with "ad infinitum"
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I disagree with your interpretation of Deuteronomy 29:14-15. Moses, in that passage, declares that the Mt. Sinai covenant is generational, not multicultural or multiethnic. He doesn't promise any other country or nation that if they keep and obey his laws, he will return them to the land and there, protect them from their enemies. That's God's agreement with Israel.
I get many responses but few answers. Case in point: your reply. Usually the "supposed" answer is a long loosely relevant reply. So...I asked 3 questions. All only require a yes or no response. Can you simply answer? I'll even stipulate that your answers are according to your understanding of what scripture teaches.To answer your questions, just go back thru the recent past pages of THIS THREAD....
These particular questions have already been dealt with "ad infinitum"
The upper right search function is your friend. !
I'm only in faith seriously for only 2 years now. A lot to learn. Y'all need to be easy on me. I'm tired of all this ,this is how it should be or stuff. I stay in the new testament a lot. I scroll in deep study with Bible hub and all kinds of commentary's. Maybe I need to do the same with the old testament too idk. But you people are bringing me down man. I'm no scholar. No theologian. I'm just a Christian who does hard labor for a living.
Some are troubled by the fact that God can modify or abolish the covenants He makes in order to fulfill His greater plan of redemption. If God could NEVER change His decrees, He would have no more sovereign authority than the kings of Medo-Persia who were bound by their own decrees. God can and does ALTER the plans for individuals and nations according to their response to His hands.
When Jeremiah visited the Potter's House and observed the process, he saw that the "destiny" of the various vessels could be altered according to their pliability or resistance.
3 So I went down to the potter’s house and saw him working at the wheel. 4 But the vessel that he was shaping from the clay became flawed in his hand; so he formed it into another vessel, as it seemed best for him to do. 5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6“O house of Israel, declares the LORD, can I not treat you as this potter treats his clay? Just like clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel. 7 At any time I might announce [or 'prophetically proclaim"] that a nation or kingdom will be uprooted, torn down, and destroyed. 8 But IF that nation I warned turns from its evil, then I will relent of the disaster I had planned to bring. 9 And if at another time I announce that I will build up and establish a nation or kingdom, 10 and if it does evil in My sight and does not listen to My voice, then I will RELENT of the good I had intended for it.
(Jeremiah 18:5-10)
When Jeremiah visited the Potter's House and observed the process, he saw that the "destiny" of the various vessels could be altered according to their pliability or resistance.
3 So I went down to the potter’s house and saw him working at the wheel. 4 But the vessel that he was shaping from the clay became flawed in his hand; so he formed it into another vessel, as it seemed best for him to do. 5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6“O house of Israel, declares the LORD, can I not treat you as this potter treats his clay? Just like clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel. 7 At any time I might announce [or 'prophetically proclaim"] that a nation or kingdom will be uprooted, torn down, and destroyed. 8 But IF that nation I warned turns from its evil, then I will relent of the disaster I had planned to bring. 9 And if at another time I announce that I will build up and establish a nation or kingdom, 10 and if it does evil in My sight and does not listen to My voice, then I will RELENT of the good I had intended for it.
(Jeremiah 18:5-10)
Some seem to think a God of truth would never change any of His decrees. Jeremiah's parabolic prophecy shows that God, being a rational self-determining Being who is motivated by love can indeed change what He has declared to be His will for a people. He never does so arbitrarily. Rather, when he changes something, He does so for His own redemptive purposes.
One way God changes His plans is by instituting COVENANTS that override and replace prior covenants which failed (either because of human frailty or disobedience. The marriage covenant was also meant to last a lifetime. However, the simple act of ADULTERY breaks in an instant the covenant which God meant to be permanent.
Paul said that, back when he was trying to keep the whole law, he did so because he perceived that the Law was "holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7: 12). Like Ezra, Paul admired and even loved the Law (Psalm 119:97). However, his admiration did not change his desire to hunt and murder Christians. I think this is the "mystery of iniquity" - how those who love and immerse themselves in the truth can end up serving Satan. This not only happened to the Pharisees but also to Reformers like Luther, Calvin and Zwingli who sought to murder the Anabaptists.
There was a problem with the Mosaic Covenant and God Himself pointed it out: 7 For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second (Romans 7:7). However, God DID find FAULT in that covenant and it was NOT due to any defect in the law. It was due to a defect within mankind's nature which resides not so much in the MIND as in our desires (Romans 7:8)
This is why the Covenant of the Law had to be done away with - because, though the principles of the Law were true, we have to be TRANSFORMED from within in order to keep them. Such a change has to come from outside ourselves, from the Holy Spirit. We must be born again by the Spirit. Anyone who thinks that with enough dedication they can can flawlessly obey the Law has not yet learned the main point of the Law - which is to show us our sin.
One way God changes His plans is by instituting COVENANTS that override and replace prior covenants which failed (either because of human frailty or disobedience. The marriage covenant was also meant to last a lifetime. However, the simple act of ADULTERY breaks in an instant the covenant which God meant to be permanent.
Paul said that, back when he was trying to keep the whole law, he did so because he perceived that the Law was "holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7: 12). Like Ezra, Paul admired and even loved the Law (Psalm 119:97). However, his admiration did not change his desire to hunt and murder Christians. I think this is the "mystery of iniquity" - how those who love and immerse themselves in the truth can end up serving Satan. This not only happened to the Pharisees but also to Reformers like Luther, Calvin and Zwingli who sought to murder the Anabaptists.
There was a problem with the Mosaic Covenant and God Himself pointed it out: 7 For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second (Romans 7:7). However, God DID find FAULT in that covenant and it was NOT due to any defect in the law. It was due to a defect within mankind's nature which resides not so much in the MIND as in our desires (Romans 7:8)
This is why the Covenant of the Law had to be done away with - because, though the principles of the Law were true, we have to be TRANSFORMED from within in order to keep them. Such a change has to come from outside ourselves, from the Holy Spirit. We must be born again by the Spirit. Anyone who thinks that with enough dedication they can can flawlessly obey the Law has not yet learned the main point of the Law - which is to show us our sin.
Very good. And since many argue that Jesus is our example and we are to do what He did, and not do what He did not do, why are those same people telling Gentiles to be under the law when Jesus never did.
Ok. I understand. So why am I being told about the ten Commandments. I understand the law Jesus said he did not come to abolish but fulfill right? So why are people saying on here we have to live by it when Paul says we can't? And what Jesus says what sums the law. I thought the Messiah was here cause we could not live up to the law? Right? I know groups who try to live the law and are frustrated .That even clean toasters taking them apart to avoid yeast. It's just crazy. I thought christ purpose was not only to be a perfect attonemant but to stop us from living according to a law even though perfect,we can not ever do? Right or wrong?
Not the same law written by the H.S.
The law of Christ is written on our hearts!
New covenant and new commandment.
You cannot pour old wine into new wineskin.
Agreed. Thanks. This is what was upsetting me with another person here saying we must. I know I can't.
Agreed
. Thanks. And blessings. Every day is a fight. Somedays are a war. Take care and thanks for clearing the air! You know a lot. I want to get there! Put up with knuckle heads like me who want to know and are ignorant. Laterz
Re read the post. Never even implied what you are disagreeing with.
Different person.i guess. My bad.
Hea, your good, you know a lot about the word more than me. Messianic and words like that are alien to me. I need to study my old testament and my apologetics and theology more. I got some work man. I appreciate you.