The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Mem]

I would classify "the Holy Spirit said such and such" as false prophecy.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is more about stating that a church or a person, is empowered by the prince
of demons.

The Pharisees accused Jesus of being empowered by the prince of demons.

A false prophet only receives a death penalty whereas the blasphemy of the Spirit, is a much more serious offense.

Ok. It's yet a bit unclear to me. One misrepresents the Holy Spirit, can false prophesy be categorized as just a liar, or a poser, imposter or? and the other is ... what's the word? It seems both misrepresent the Holy Spirit in one way or another. One is a pretender of what isn't, and the other is a pretender of what is?

 

[JimiSurvivor]

The Ten Commandments is the commandments of God or what God calls “My commandments”. Exo20:6 You can find them in Exo20:1-17. It’s also called the law of God and the Testimony Exo31:18 of God and Jesus used it interchangeably with the Word of God Mat15:3-14 Mar7:7-13

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

There are several laws in Scripture, the commandments of God, the Ten Commandments is the only law that God Himself wrote Deut4:13 Exo31:18 and placed inside the ark of His covenant. Exo25:16 Exo40:20

Moses wrote another law in a book, which was places outside the ark Deut41:24-26 that contained everything but the Ten Commandments including circumcision and the handwritten ordinances 2Chron 33:8 that Paul often speaks of.

This would contradict Jesus who plainly said He did not come to destroy/abolish the law and He fulfilled what He promised to do to magnify His law Isa8-:21 which means greater, not smaller why He plainly taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30 which is the complete opposite of that the law is abolished.

It’s in our Bibles that in is the transgression of the law 1John3:4 and continuing in that path of sinning and breaking the law of God leads us down the wrong path John2:4 Heb10:26-30 Mat7:21-23

Let’s look at the law its speaking about…

Eph 2:11Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15& having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18;For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

This is not saying at the Cross we can now worship other gods and start stealing from our neighbor. It’s speaking of circumcision- because it was a requirement to get the cure for our sins in the OT by taking an animal sacrifice to an earthy temple for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus took away than enmity and wall of separation of circumcision. Both Jews and Gentiles and anyone can gain access to forgiveness of sins through the death of Jesus Christ through repentance, which means a sorry heart, a change of mind and direction.

Does this mean we can continue breaking the law of God?

Do we want this response at Christ’s Second Coming?

May 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Those without law).

Because Jesus very plainly taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments quoting directly from the Ten Commandments. Mat5:19-30


If we belong to Christ we are not going to be sinning and committing adultery or coveting or breaking the least of God’s commandments Mat5:19-30

Yes, the people broke the old covenant so it voided it out so God made a New Covenant on better promises Heb8:6 and now writes His laws in the hearts and minds of His New Covenant believers. Sadly not everyone accepts the law of God Rom8:7-8 and have not entered this covenant by faith,

This is sad but true, faith establishes the law, so we abandon the law we are abandoning faith in Christ those who do not subject themselves to the law of God cannot please God Rom8:7-8. Did Jesus go around stealing, or profaning the LORD’s name or breaking the LORDS Sabbath, or coveting His neighbor. We need to have the same faith as Jesus, not just in Jesus but of Jesus.

Rev 14:12Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus

Your judgment noted but only God can righteously judge 24million people that you have never met. How we judge others is how God will judge us.

Romans 7:1–7 teaches that believers are “released from the law” in the sense that, through Christ’s death, they have died to their old relationship with it—just like a person is freed from a marriage covenant when a spouse dies. This doesn’t mean the law is abolished or sinful; Paul clearly says it reveals what sin is (v.7). Rather, we are no longer under the condemnation of the law. Instead, we now belong to Christ and serve God in “newness of the Spirit,” meaning obedience flows from a transformed heart rather than external obligation. The law is holy, just and good Rom7:12, the law was never the issue, its always been the hardened heart of man not subjecting themselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8

The ideas you cite from the Apostles are inconsistent with your belief that Keeping Shabbat (which is a statute of the law) is essential in order to obtain eternal salvation. That this is your position is clear even from this post in which you wrote:
This is sad but true, faith establishes the law, so (when) we abandon the law we are abandoning faith in Christ those who do not subject themselves to the law of God cannot please God Rom8:7-8. This is as clear a description as any I have ever read of the doctrine that we are saved NOT by grace through faith but through works of the Law. This identifies you as either a heretical Judaizer or an Ebionite

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The ideas you cite from the Apostles are inconsistent with your belief that Keeping Shabbat (which is a statute of the law) is essential in order to obtain eternal salvation. That this is your position is clear even from this post in which you wrote:
This is sad but true, faith establishes the law, so (when) we abandon the law we are abandoning faith in Christ those who do not subject themselves to the law of God cannot please God Rom8:7-8. This is as clear a description as any I have ever read of the doctrine that we are saved NOT by grace through faith but through works of the Law. This identifies you as either a heretical Judaizer or an Ebionite

Not according to God, it is a commandment of God Exo20:6 Deut4:13 God’s Testimonmy Exo31:18 which Jesus used interchangeably with the Word of God Mat15:3-13 Mark7:7-13 - God placed the 4th commandment in the same unit as not having any other gods before Me Exo20:3 and the Sabbath commandment tells us which God that is, the one who made heaven and earth Exo20:11 the only God we are ever to worship Rev14:7, they are all linked together breaking one of them you automatically break them all James2:10-12. If we trust God on 9 of the Ten Commandments trust that He knows what He is doing with all of them, the one He said Remember that comes with the power of His Blessing Exo20:11 Isa56:2 and Sanctification Gen 2:3 Eze20:12 because man can’t transfer this or do this themselves Isa66:17 we need God Eze20:20 He invites everyone to join themselves to the LORD and serve Him Isa56:6 people want all the blessing God gives on their terms not God’s Isa56:2 they want to serve the LORD on their terms not God’s Isa56:6 its the same story repeated over and over again in Scripture. He still calls on us to not harden our heart and allow the God of Creation to write His laws in our hearts and minds Heb8:10, sadly not everyone does Rom8:7-8. All are called few are chosen because few respond to His call.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The ideas you cite from the Apostles are inconsistent with your belief that Keeping Shabbat (which is a statute of the law) is essential in order to obtain eternal salvation. That this is your position is clear even from this post in which you wrote:
This is sad but true, faith establishes the law, so (when) we abandon the law we are abandoning faith in Christ those who do not subject themselves to the law of God cannot please God Rom8:7-8. This is as clear a description as any I have ever read of the doctrine that we are saved NOT by grace through faith but through works of the Law. This identifies you as either a heretical Judaizer or an Ebionite

Why do you think faith in God means disobedience to God? Where in the Bible does it say we can disobey God and be saved? This was the very first lie in the garden that we can disobey God and live the exact opposite of what God said. Sadly this deception is still working.

We are saved by grace through faith. We are saved by grace because we have all sinned, but it’s God’s gift to give or not give and not everyone who says LORD LORD will be saved. Why would someone with faith want to worship another god, or want to vain the holy name of the LORD or want to submit to idols, or do evil by profaning the holy day of the LORD. Why would someone who has faith in Christ want to not honor our mother or father and steal, lie, cheat and covet our neighbor? God said if you love Me, keep My commandments and shows mercy to those who do Exo20:6.

 

[Inquisitor]

There are several laws in Scripture, the commandments of God, the Ten Commandments is the only law that God Himself wrote Deut4:13 Exo31:18 and placed inside the ark of His covenant. Exo25:16 Exo40:20

We have already dealt with this claim of yours.

Exodus 24 tells us that Moses wrote all the words of the Lord.

What Moses wrote was the book of the covenant.

When the covenant was ratified in Exodus 24 the Lord had not written anything with His finger.

There was no Ark of the covenant in Exodus 24.

The law was all the words that the Lord spoke.

Details matter.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

We have already dealt with this claim of yours.

Exodus 24 tells us that Moses wrote all the words of the Lord.

What Moses wrote was the book of the covenant.

When the covenant was ratified in Exodus 24 the Lord had not written anything with His finger.

There was no Ark of the covenant in Exodus 24.

The law was all the words that the Lord spoke.

Details matter.

And I keep reminding you that Exo 24 tells us something different

Exo 24:12 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them.”


Moses is not God. Moses wrote a different law placed outside the ark Deut31:24-26

God wrote His own commandments the Ten Exo20:6 Deut 4:13 that He called His Testimony- not the testimony of Moses. This is repeated over and over again in Scripture. Deut4:13 Exo32:16 Deut9:10 Exo31:18 Exo34:28 Deut 10:4

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Why do you think faith in God means disobedience to God? Where in the Bible does it say we can disobey God and be saved? This was the very first lie in the garden that we can disobey God and live the exact opposite of what God said. Sadly this deception is still working.

We are saved by grace through faith. We are saved by grace because we have all sinned, but it’s God’s gift to give or not give and not everyone who says LORD LORD will be saved. Why would someone with faith want to worship another god, or want to vain the holy name of the LORD or want to submit to idols, or do evil by profaning the holy day of the LORD. Why would someone who has faith in Christ want to not honor our mother or father and steal, lie, cheat and covet our neighbor? God said if you love Me, keep My commandments and shows mercy to those who do Exo20:6.

(1) Why do you think faith in God means disobedience to God?
I do not believe this nor did I ever argue for it. This CLAIM is based on your OWN presupposition that keeping Shabbat not a work of the Law when, BY DEFINITION, it is. Rather than address what I actually said, you made a STRAW MAN representation of what I believe and then do battle with THAT. This is not a rational argument.

(2) We are saved by grace through faith. We are saved by grace because we have all sinned, but it’s God’s gift to give or not give and not everyone who says LORD LORD will be saved. Why would someone with faith want to worship another god, or want to vain the holy name of the LORD or want to submit to idols, or do evil by profaning the holy day of the LORD.
This is all nonsense based on YOUR faulty assumption that people who do not keep Shabbat are idolators. We call this an ad hominem argument which is not based on rational reasoning.

(3) From the very beginning, gospel of salvation has always called men to REPENT of their sins and BELIEVE in Jesus for salvation. Keeping Shabbat had nothing to do with it. Paul explained the message of salvation in
Romans 10:8-9 But what does it (the Bible) say? “The word [of salvation] is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are PROCLAIMING: 9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you WILL BE SAVED. [This is a promise] 10 For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.…
Where did Paul add in addition to repenting and believing a person who wants to be saved must ALSO
make a lifetime commitment to keep Shabbat? Though you use words that Christians use you ADD requirements imported from the Mosaic Law.

(4) Why would someone with faith want to worship another god, or want to vain the holy name of the LORD or want to submit to idols, or do evil by profaning the holy day of the LORD.
This is an absurdity. I never said someone with faith would want to worship another god. These are your ideas and words not mine.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

(1) Why do you think faith in God means disobedience to God?
I do not believe this nor did I ever argue for it. This CLAIM is based on your OWN presupposition that keeping Shabbat not a work of the Law when, BY DEFINITION, it is. Rather than address what I actually said, you made a STRAW MAN representation of what I believe and then do battle with THAT. This is not a rational argument.

Well why do you isolate the Sabbath as "being a work of the law" and not the other 9 commandments you are ok with? Ironically the Sabbath is the commandment God said to rest from work, so we can keep the Sabbath day holy Exo20:8-11

(2) We are saved by grace through faith. We are saved by grace because we have all sinned, but it’s God’s gift to give or not give and not everyone who says LORD LORD will be saved. Why would someone with faith want to worship another god, or want to vain the holy name of the LORD or want to submit to idols, or do evil by profaning the holy day of the LORD.
This is all nonsense based on YOUR faulty assumption that people who do not keep Shabbat are idolators. We call this an ad hominem argument which is not based on rational reasoning.

You can direct your animosity towards God because this is God saying so, not me.

Eze 20:16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols

(3) From the very beginning, gospel of salvation has always called men to REPENT of their sins and BELIEVE in Jesus for salvation. Keeping Shabbat had nothing to do with it. Paul explained the message of salvation in

According to Scripture sin is breaking the law of God 1John3:4 breaking one commandment we break them all and become a transgressor of the law and James explicitly quoted the Ten Commandments what God said. James 2:10-12

So who decides what are God's laws- wouldn't that belong only to God considering He said they were "His" God claimed the Sabbath was part of "My commandments" Exo 20:6 Exo20:1-17 "God's Testimony Exo31:18 and God placed the Sabbath in the same unit as only worship Him and not murder our neighbor. Breaking the Sabbath commandment came with the death penalty just as committing adultery and committing murder and not honoring our mother and father. So what gives you authority to pluck out this one commandment written by God Himself and say we treat it differently when God did not. That's essentially is making one their own god.

Romans 10:8-9 But what does it (the Bible) say? “The word [of salvation] is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are PROCLAIMING: 9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you WILL BE SAVED. [This is a promise] 10 For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.…
Where did Paul add in addition to repenting and believing a person who wants to be saved must ALSO
make a lifetime commitment to keep Shabbat? Though you use words that Christians use you ADD requirements imported from the Mosaic Law.

Jesus said the commandment of God quoting right from the Ten Commandments is the Word of God Mat15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 and Paul never countermanded Christ. He didn't specifically say only worship God in this passage either, it doesn't mean it starts deleting commandments.

(4) Why would someone with faith want to worship another god, or want to vain the holy name of the LORD or want to submit to idols, or do evil by profaning the holy day of the LORD.
This is an absurdity. I never said someone with faith would want to worship another god. These are your ideas and words not mine.

Eze 20:16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols
Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.


Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

Mark2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Isa 56:1Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

Isa 66:22
“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh (the saved) shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Mal 3:6“For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.

The issue is not that God was not clear, the issue is not believing what Jesus told us to live by Mat4:4

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Romans 10:8-9 But what does it (the Bible) say? “The word [of salvation] is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are PROCLAIMING: 9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you WILL BE SAVED. [This is a promise] 10 For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.…
Where did Paul add in addition to repenting and believing a person who wants to be saved must ALSO
make a lifetime commitment to keep Shabbat? Though you use words that Christians use you ADD requirements imported from the Mosaic Law.

What did God place in our hearts? God’s laws Heb8:10 which Jesus used interchangeable with the Word of God Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 that always included the 4th commandment Exo20:6 Exo20:1-17 why we see the Sabbath being kept according to the commandment immediately after the death of the Cross Luke23:56 the Sabbath was kept generation after generation in every City Acts 15:21 kept by the apostles every Sabbath 30+ years after the Cross with both Jews and Gentiles alike Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 16:13 Acts 17:2 Acts 18:4 Just as Jesus indicated Isa56:6-7 Mat24:20 and will be kept for those who are saved for all eternity Isa66:22-23 so from the beginning of time Exo20:11 to the very end Isa66:22-23 and everywhere in between, because this is according to the will of God. He could not be more plain on this. Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Don’t let anyone cheat us of this Blessing God is trying to give man by following what the world does and not what is according to Christ Col2:8

What God blesses is forever 1 Chron 17:27 and man can't take it away Num23:20 God blessed the Sabbath day Exo20:11 and blesses the man that keeps the Sabbath Isa56:2 man cannot take away God's Blessing, they can only forfeit their own which I do not advise Psa37:22

 

[TMS]

1Co 6:18 speaks in the context of The Temple of the Holy Spirit

Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a man can commit is outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

Lev 21:9
If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by prostituting herself, she profanes her father; she must be burned in the fire.

Matt 15:11
A man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, but by what comes out of it.”
Matt 15:18
But the things going forth out of the mouth come forth out of the heart, and these defile the man.


Mark 3:28
Truly I say to you that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven the sons of men, as many as they shall have blasphemed.
Mark 3:29
But whoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit does not have forgiveness, to the age, but is guilty of eternal sin."

There have been many whom asserted that "the Holy Spirit said such and such" but wasn't speaking by the Holy Spirit. Is this the blasphemy that Mark 3:29 is speaking of?

To understand how the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit you need to understand what the Temple of God was in the Old Testament.
Because this is symbolic of our bodies.

 

[TMS]

Where is the 'false prophet' in your eschatology?

The false prophet runs the show in the end times.

The false prophet is the one who commands that you get the mark.

The mother is the Catholic church

Then the true prophets came out of her.
True protestantism
They believed the bible and the bible only. And rejected the Catholic teachings
They all call the Catholic church the antichrist.

Then the protestant churches started to compromise and join hands with the mother. They started to go back to her.

The false prophet is apostate protestantism. America was founded on protestant beliefs
They were blessed.

But they have not followed their true protestant stance.

No pope and no king.... they once said.

Today they are making an image to the beast... Catholicism. They are following the ways and dictates of catholicism.
Namely enforcing religion through political laws. Church and state.

America is the second beast in Rev 13 and they are apostate protestant because they are holding hands with the pope and doing their bidding.

They will cause people to recieve the mark of the beast.

The false prophet is apostate Protestantism. Doing what the Catholic church did in the dark ages.

 

[TMS]

Avoiding the intake of lamb on the Passover is not fulfilling the requirements of the Passover.

Jesus was not a vegetarian so why are you?

Because I understand how much pollution and poison is in the meat today.

I do not say it is a sin to eat meat. God is Judge and there is no commandment about eating clean meat.

But knowing how bad things have become and how much better I feel eating a plant based diet I can conclude that it is healthier.

Over time things have become much worse. Fish have lots more toxic elements in them.

So to answer your question... why am I a vegetarian. Because I feel better and healthier.
I know that people that are vegetarian live longer and I know that God's original diet was plant based.

 

[Inquisitor]

Because I understand how much pollution and poison is in the meat today.

I do not say it is a sin to eat meat. God is Judge and there is no commandment about eating clean meat.

But knowing how bad things have become and how much better I feel eating a plant based diet I can conclude that it is healthier.

Over time things have become much worse. Fish have lots more toxic elements in them.

So to answer your question... why am I a vegetarian. Because I feel better and healthier.
I know that people that are vegetarian live longer and I know that God's original diet was plant based.

Bible Interpretation: SDA doctrine argues that Jesus did not abolish the difference between clean and unclean animals, and these laws remain relevant, as noted in Adventist Encyclopedia.

 

[Inquisitor]

Because I understand how much pollution and poison is in the meat today.

I do not say it is a sin to eat meat. God is Judge and there is no commandment about eating clean meat.

But knowing how bad things have become and how much better I feel eating a plant based diet I can conclude that it is healthier.

Over time things have become much worse. Fish have lots more toxic elements in them.

So to answer your question... why am I a vegetarian. Because I feel better and healthier.
I know that people that are vegetarian live longer and I know that God's original diet was plant based.

Everything is polluted these days; the air, the soil, the oceans, everything.

• Air Pollution: Caused by particles (nitrates, sulfates, metals), and emissions from industrial and mining activities.
• Water Contamination: Water is polluted by fertilizers, pesticides, heavy metals, and oil. Contaminated groundwater can affect human health by contaminating drinking water.
• Soil Contamination: Soil contains heavy metals, pesticides, and industrial chemicals. It can be contaminated by direct spills, leaks, and deposition of airborne pollutants.
• Impacts: These interconnected issues harm human health, causing respiratory and cardiovascular diseases, and impact biodiversity.
  
  The pollution of these three mediums, often referred to as a "chain reaction," is caused by human activity and impacts the planet. (wiki)

These days even Antarctica is polluted.

 

[Gideon300]

The Ten Commandments is the commandments of God or what God calls “My commandments”. Exo20:6 You can find them in Exo20:1-17. It’s also called the law of God and the Testimony Exo31:18 of God and Jesus used it interchangeably with the Word of God Mat15:3-14 Mar7:7-13

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

There are several laws in Scripture, the commandments of God, the Ten Commandments is the only law that God Himself wrote Deut4:13 Exo31:18 and placed inside the ark of His covenant. Exo25:16 Exo40:20

Moses wrote another law in a book, which was places outside the ark Deut41:24-26 that contained everything but the Ten Commandments including circumcision and the handwritten ordinances 2Chron 33:8 that Paul often speaks of.

This would contradict Jesus who plainly said He did not come to destroy/abolish the law and He fulfilled what He promised to do to magnify His law Isa8-:21 which means greater, not smaller why He plainly taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30 which is the complete opposite of that the law is abolished.

It’s in our Bibles that in is the transgression of the law 1John3:4 and continuing in that path of sinning and breaking the law of God leads us down the wrong path John2:4 Heb10:26-30 Mat7:21-23

Let’s look at the law its speaking about…

Eph 2:11Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15& having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18;For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

This is not saying at the Cross we can now worship other gods and start stealing from our neighbor. It’s speaking of circumcision- because it was a requirement to get the cure for our sins in the OT by taking an animal sacrifice to an earthy temple for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus took away than enmity and wall of separation of circumcision. Both Jews and Gentiles and anyone can gain access to forgiveness of sins through the death of Jesus Christ through repentance, which means a sorry heart, a change of mind and direction.

Does this mean we can continue breaking the law of God?

Do we want this response at Christ’s Second Coming?

May 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Those without law).

Because Jesus very plainly taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments quoting directly from the Ten Commandments. Mat5:19-30


If we belong to Christ we are not going to be sinning and committing adultery or coveting or breaking the least of God’s commandments Mat5:19-30

Yes, the people broke the old covenant so it voided it out so God made a New Covenant on better promises Heb8:6 and now writes His laws in the hearts and minds of His New Covenant believers. Sadly not everyone accepts the law of God Rom8:7-8 and have not entered this covenant by faith,

This is sad but true, faith establishes the law, so we abandon the law we are abandoning faith in Christ those who do not subject themselves to the law of God cannot please God Rom8:7-8. Did Jesus go around stealing, or profaning the LORD’s name or breaking the LORDS Sabbath, or coveting His neighbor. We need to have the same faith as Jesus, not just in Jesus but of Jesus.

Rev 14:12Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus

Your judgment noted but only God can righteously judge 24million people that you have never met. How we judge others is how God will judge us.

Romans 7:1–7 teaches that believers are “released from the law” in the sense that, through Christ’s death, they have died to their old relationship with it—just like a person is freed from a marriage covenant when a spouse dies. This doesn’t mean the law is abolished or sinful; Paul clearly says it reveals what sin is (v.7). Rather, we are no longer under the condemnation of the law. Instead, we now belong to Christ and serve God in “newness of the Spirit,” meaning obedience flows from a transformed heart rather than external obligation. The law is holy, just and good Rom7:12, the law was never the issue, its always been the hardened heart of man not subjecting themselves to the law of God Rom8:7-8

You said it yourself. You judge those who are born again as if they were unbelievers. According to the false prophet EG White, my prayers are not answered by God because I am not deceived by SDA false doctrine. I won't go on. I could rip your false prophet to shreds and destroy your arguments, but there is no point. The plain truth is not enough for you.

 

[Mem]

To understand how the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit you need to understand what the Temple of God was in the Old Testament.
Because this is symbolic of our bodies.

What service did the temple offer its patrons?

 

[Inquisitor]

Not according to God, it is a commandment of God Exo20:6 Deut4:13 God’s Testimonmy Exo31:18 which Jesus used interchangeably with the Word of God Mat15:3-13 Mark7:7-13 - God placed the 4th commandment in the same unit as not having any other gods before Me Exo20:3 and the Sabbath commandment tells us which God that is, the one who made heaven and earth Exo20:11 the only God we are ever to worship Rev14:7, they are all linked together breaking one of them you automatically break them all James2:10-12. If we trust God on 9 of the Ten Commandments trust that He knows what He is doing with all of them, the one He said Remember that comes with the power of His Blessing Exo20:11 Isa56:2 and Sanctification Gen 2:3 Eze20:12 because man can’t transfer this or do this themselves Isa66:17 we need God Eze20:20 He invites everyone to join themselves to the LORD and serve Him Isa56:6 people want all the blessing God gives on their terms not God’s Isa56:2 they want to serve the LORD on their terms not God’s Isa56:6 its the same story repeated over and over again in Scripture. He still calls on us to not harden our heart and allow the God of Creation to write His laws in our hearts and minds Heb8:10, sadly not everyone does Rom8:7-8. All are called few are chosen because few respond to His call.

Jesus was sent to the Jews.

Jesus spoke directly to the Jews.

The Jews were under the law, Exodus 20.

The Gentiles were not in covenant to obey Exodus 20.

Your post is fundamentally flawed.

All Christians are under the law of Christ.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know
by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

You seriously ignore the context in the gospels.

 

[Inquisitor]

Why do you think faith in God means disobedience to God? Where in the Bible does it say we can disobey God and be saved? This was the very first lie in the garden that we can disobey God and live the exact opposite of what God said. Sadly this deception is still working.

We are saved by grace through faith. We are saved by grace because we have all sinned, but it’s God’s gift to give or not give and not everyone who says LORD LORD will be saved. Why would someone with faith want to worship another god, or want to vain the holy name of the LORD or want to submit to idols, or do evil by profaning the holy day of the LORD. Why would someone who has faith in Christ want to not honor our mother or father and steal, lie, cheat and covet our neighbor? God said if you love Me, keep My commandments and shows mercy to those who do Exo20:6.

Gentiles were never under the law and Acts 15 proves that.

Gentiles were never in covenant to obey Exodus 20.

You have your wires crossed but so do the larger traditional churches, unfortunately.

 

[TMS]

Sunday worship being the mark of the beast

The sabbath being the seal of God

Investigative judgement

Jesus and Michael being the same being

Satan being the scapegoat

Soul sleep

Sda’s being the remnant

Health laws still binding

The Sunday law

Standing without a mediator

Shut door

Amalgamation of man and beast

The spirit of prophecy

Consuming caffeine is a sin

Jewelry and makeup being idols

I’m tired of typing. Where do you want to start?

The Investigative Judgement

We all stand before the Judgement seat of Christ.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

On the day of judgment we will all give account.

Paul talked of future judgement
Judgement to come..

Act 24:25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, ...

Ecc 12:13-14
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

God will bring every work....

3 phases ...

Phase 1.
Dan 7:9-11
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Jesus is set to Judge and the books are opened at the time.
This is future from Paul's day but before the second coming.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

So Jesus judges every case before He returns. (The time I'll come back to).

Phase 2
After Jesus returns .... Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The saved will judge the unsaved for the 1000 year reign with Christ. Even the unsaved angels.

1Co 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Phase 3
At the end of the millenium ...
Rev 20:11-12
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

If your not found in the book of life....
Rev 20:14-15
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The final judgment is given to those that are not saved. Justice is served and sin will not rise again.

Phase 1 is the most important because it is when Jesus decides who is lost and who is saved.
We He comes, He knows who is saved, who He is going to resurrect and who are save that are living.

Phase 1 is the Investigative Judgement..
Look at Daniel 7:9,10.
Also Rev 14:6,7
The Judgment Transpires before the Second Coming
“Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth--to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people—
saying with a loud voice, "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His
judgment has come [while the gospel is being preached]; and worship Him who
made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water."”
Jesus gives the Reward when He comes
If Jesus brings the reward when He comes again then he must have determined the reward before He comes. This means people do not receive the reward when they die but rather when Jesus comes.
Matthew 16:27
“For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.”
Revelation 22:12
"And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one
according to his work.”

I'll start a new post about the phase 1 of the judgement .....

 

[TMS]

Phase 1 is between Paul's day and the second coming of Jesus. See post 6159.

The Investigative Judgement..

Now we must turn to the all-important verse. Daniel 8:14 is the climax of the
vision and immediately precedes the angelic interpretation. There are several
key considerations that we must take into account as we study this all-
important verse.
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

2300 days and the sanctuary will be cleansed..... ???

Which sanctuary is being spoken of here? The word ‘sanctuary’ appears twice
in verses 1-13 (8:11, 13). there is no doubt contextually, that the same sanctuary is in view in verse 14.
However, there is an important terminological nuance that is missed in the English translations. In the first two references, the Hebrew word for
‘sanctuary’ is miqdas. However, in Daniel 8:14 the word for ‘sanctuary’ is different. Instead of miqdasthe word for ‘sanctuary’ changes to qodes. Why the sudden and unexpected change of terms? The change must be intentional or
else the word would not have been changed.
The change seems to indicate that the focus will now change to a different
apartment of the sanctuary, namely the most holy place. This is indicated by
the fact that the term qodes, not miqdas, is used for the sanctuary in Leviticus
16 on the day of atonement (Leviticus 16:2, 3, 16, 17, 20, 23, 27 and 33). This
gives us evidence that the angel wished to link Daniel 8 with Leviticus 16.

Another link between Daniel 8 and Leviticus 16 is the Hebrew word pesa
(Leviticus 16:16, 21), which means ‘transgression’.

Another important nuance which is glossed over in the English translations is a change of the word ‘vision’. In verses 1-15 Daniel has invariably used the word chazon for ‘vision’ (once in verse 1, twice in verse 2, once in verse 13, once in verse 15). However, when God commands Gabriel to explain the vision to Daniel, the word for ‘vision’ is changed to mar’eh. We can see the impact of this change more clearly by placing the question about the vision and the command to explain it together: .....‘Until when shall be the chazon. . . I, Daniel had seen the chazon. . . Gabriel, make this man understand the mar’eh.” Why is the Hebrew word for ‘vision’ suddenly changed from chazon to mar’eh
in verse 16? Surely there must be a good reason!
A careful study of the words chazon and mar’eh in Daniel 8-12 reveals that
chazon refers to the total vision from the kingdom of the Medes and Persians
till the cleansing of the sanctuary. On the other hand, the word mar’eh has to do in a narrower sense with the question the angel asked concerning when the
vision would end. In short, the word mar’eh focuses directly on the time element of the chazon.
The use of the word mar’eh in Daniel 8:26 is important. There, Daniel links the
word directly with the evening and morning aspect of the 2300-day prophecy:
“And the vision of [mar’eh] of the evening and the morning which was told is
true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.”
Clearly, the mar’eh relates especially to the time factor of the 2300 days in the
chazon. Shortly, we will find that Gabriel explained the chazon of Daniel 8 and
Daniel understood it. However, the mar’eh was left unexplained. This is why
Gabriel had to return in Daniel 9 to clarify the time aspect that was not clear to Daniel.

The Hebrew word tsadaq (cleansed) has a broad range of meaning which
includes vindication, setting things right, restoring things to the way they
originally were, and cleansing.

When legal proceedings are undertaken against an innocent person in our
system of jurisprudence, the person must be vindicated. The record must be
set straight and the person must be justified from all charges. When this is
done and the person is found innocent, the charges are expunged or cleansed
from the record and the person is given a clean slate. Thus, tsadaq is a legal word whose meaning is ‘to remove completely, blot out, erase, to cancel, to delete.’
The result of the investigative judgment includes justification, vindication, restoration and giving the person a clean slate because the charges have been erased!
The simple fact is that in Daniel 8 the reputation of God and his people has been smeared by the little horn and a judicial proceeding in the heavenly sanctuary must set the record straight, must vindicate, must justify and must expunge or cleanse the false accusations!! The simple fact is that Daniel 7:9, 10, 13, 14 portrays the investigative judgment from a judicial perspective while Daniel 8:14 does from
a sanctuary perspective. Whereas Daniel 8 centers on a sanctuary scenario, Daniel 7 parallels Daniel 8 but in a judicial context.
In Daniel 8, in verses 19-26 we find the interpretation of the vision.
Daniel 7-12 must be studied together as a unit with each succeeding chapter
expanding and explaining details of the previous ones.

“In the eighth chapter of Daniel many have really struggled to find a clue to the starting point of the 2300 days; the angel Gabriel, though commanded to make Daniel understand the vision, gave him only a partial explanation. As the terrible persecution to befall the church was unfolded to the prophet's vision, physical strength gave way. He could endure no more, and the angel left him for a time. Daniel "fainted, and was sick certain days." "And I was astonished at the vision," he says, "but none understood it."

Daniel was confused about the mar’eh portion of the chazon. Although God
had explained the meaning of the ram, the he-goat and the little horn (the chazon), he was still confused about the mar’eh. The only element left unexplained in chapter 8 was the time aspect, the 2300 days. In chapter 8 there
is no beginning point for the 2300 days. In chapter 9 God will give Daniel the starting point for the 2300 days. God will fill in the missing information so that Daniel can understand!

As chapter 9 begins, Jerusalem was in ruins and Daniel was diligently studying
the 70-year prophecy of Jeremiah 25:9-13. But how Daniel was perplexed about the sanctuary not being cleansed for 2300 years (Daniel 8:14). This seeming discrepancy between the two prophecies perplexed Daniel. He could not comprehend how the prophecy of Jeremiah 25 related to
the time period in Daniel 8:14.
In anguish, Daniel uttered one of the most deeply spiritual prayers in the Bible. (verses 4-14), finally
he interceded before God, asking Him to restore Israel to its land as He had
promised (verses 15-19).
The urgency of Daniel’s prayer was directly related to the vision (mar’eh) he had received eleven years earlier in Daniel 8. Because of the covenant unfaithfulness of Israel, Daniel assumed that perhaps God now intended to prolong the seventy years to 2300. Of course, Daniel loathed that possibility so he poured out his heart to God, pleading for Him to forgive His people.

In response to Daniel’s plea, God sent Gabriel to inform the prophet that God
had heard his prayer and an explanation of the 2300 days would be given (9:20-
23).

Dan 9:21-23
21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. 23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

Consider the vision ??? Which vision. ???

Daniel 8:1-12 contains a vision (chazon) and Daniel 8:13, 14, Gabriel then explained the vision in verses 19-26. A careful examination of this chapter reveals that all the elements of the vision (chazon) were explained, except the conversation of the two angels concerning the 2300 days. Most likely this was due to the fact that Daniel got sick and Gabriel was not able to complete his explanation (Daniel 8:27). It appears that Daniel’s illness was due to his inability to reconcile the meaning of Jeremiah’s 70-year prophecy with the prophecy of the 2300 days. After all, how could God’s people be restored to their land after seventy years, if their city and temple would to be trampled upon by the little horn for 2300 years?




See next post for the last point.