Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
You say that I should "wonder if you're good enough"?

Your inferring that some how you can attain a better standing with God by your obedience.

You have deeply corrupted the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus is the one who atones, justifies, and sanctifies us, it is not what we do that adds or
subtracts from that atonement. From that perfect obedience to the whole law and His perfect sacrifice.
There are no amendments to the finished work of the Lord.

We are a very poor reflection of Jesus no matter how well we behave, and then there is heresy.

We are clothed in the righteousness of Jesus by faith and there is nothing more clean or more
holy. Than the radiant glory of our Lord Jesus Christ!

It is the Lord Himself that grants you His righteousness and you do not earn that.

We worship Jesus Christ and never boast or even think that anything we do really matters
in the end. The sole reason for salvation belongs to Jesus alone, the beginning and end, of
everything in Christianity. It is a free gift given to those that call on His name.
Where did I say better? Jesus is clear Matt 7:21. You aren't arguing neither me friend. You can drone on but I can listen to Jesus or I can listen to you. What guess which I'll choose?
 
Where did I say better? Jesus is clear Matt 7:21. You aren't arguing neither me friend. You can drone on but I can listen to Jesus or I can listen to you. What guess which I'll choose?
If you make it to heaven then, that will not be based on your behavior.

Calling on the name of Jesus is the only way to be saved.

Staying in that saved state is another matter and that's where the debate occurs.

Christians must behave themselves and no one is arguing on that point.

A sincere faith will furnish good works.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dino246
No man trusts in Jesus Christ, while sinning against Jesus, whether in spirit or in body.
Everyone sins whether they believe in Jesus or not.

So your saying that no one can be saved.

Your teaching absolute perfection in our behavior and not even a wayward thought.
 
Where did I say better? Jesus is clear Matt 7:21. You aren't arguing neither me friend. You can drone on but I can listen to Jesus or I can listen to you. What guess which I'll choose?
Do you deny the truth of the following verse?

Romans 10:13
For “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
 
If you make it to heaven then, that will not be based on your behavior.

Calling on the name of Jesus is the only way to be saved.

Staying in that saved state is another matter and that's where the debate occurs.

Christians must behave themselves and no one is arguing on that point.

A sincere faith will furnish good works.
Not what Scripture says. Whether you make it to heaven will include your behavior not lack thereof. You aren't arguing with me friend
 
Do you deny the truth of the following verse?

Romans 10:13
For “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
"Not everyone who says to me, Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my heavenly Father." is also true. You cant just pick the verses you like.
 
John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Inquisitor
John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
And? It's Gods will but he doesn't force anyone to do anything. That's not love
 
Now there is a difference between doing the will of the Father IN ORDER TO BECOME SAVED:

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

AND

Doing the will of the Father AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED:

1 Thessalonians 5:14 - And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15 Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong but always strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone else. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray continually, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
 
Now there is a difference between doing the will of the Father IN ORDER TO BECOME SAVED:

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

AND

Doing the will of the Father AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED:

1 Thessalonians 5:14 - And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15 Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong but always strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone else. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray continually, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
Works don't save us. How many times do you need to hear that? You need to actually pay attention. I've said this to you before you can't understand me but I'm suppose to believe that you understand Scripture?
 
:unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

You were saying..
Again you either cant read or you can't think. Maybe it's both so i'll type slowly for you. In your previous post you copied this:

"James tell us that a man is saved by works  and not by faith alone."

Tell me what that sentence says.
 
Scripture says they complete faith. Did you not know that?
Scripture says that God's strength is made perfect in weakness. So, if we make the same application here, which of faith and works is the strength and which is the weakness?
 
Scripture says that God's strength is made perfect in weakness. So, if we make the same application here, which of faith and works is the strength and which is the weakness?
Who says we have to make that same application? Besides you that is. You asked what works do. I told you what Scripture says they do.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ATG
Again you either cant read or you can't think. Maybe it's both so i'll type slowly for you. In your previous post you copied this:

"James tell us that a man is saved by works  and not by faith alone."

Tell me what that sentence says.
James said justified by works and not saved by works. You contradicted yourself by saying works don't save us and James said we are saved by works.

Which is it?
 
Who says we have to make that same application? Besides you that is. You asked what works do. I told you what Scripture says they do.
You don't have to do anything. I'm still working out whether it might apply similarly. In understanding God's strength being made perfect in weakness, would it be right to assume that God is referring to His weakness?
 
James said justified by works and not saved by works. You contradicted yourself by saying works don't save us and James said we are saved by works.

Which is it?
Oh that's right you folks want justified and saved to mean different things. I stand by my statement and james didn't say we are saved by works. Again you don't seem capable of reading with comprehension.
 
  • Wow
Reactions: mailmandan
You don't have to do anything. I'm still working out whether it might apply similarly. In understanding God's strength being made perfect in weakness, would it be right to assume that God is referring to His weakness?
This isnt about God's weakness though it's about faith alone or both faith and works. According to Scripture it seems more like the latter than the former