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How is "did Israel replace the church?" a sensical question, much less a legitimate one? How can what came before replace what came after?
And how can the assembly of God (natural Israel) replace the assembly of God (Israel born in the spirit)? Israel means a people, not a land, or a kingdom, or a geopolitical entity.
Not going to show picture. I don't think we know what really happened yet
What you have there is Augustinian pseudo-philosophical bafflegab nuttery.
It isn't supposed to make sense. That's part of the grift. Just blow up a lot of smoke with fancy spiritually sounding mystical buzzwords and keep the suckers dazzled and guessing.
Which is how all of these options remain open for endless debate:
"So did the Church replace Israel?
Or did Israel replace the Church?
Are all gentile believers now Israelites (spiritually or otherwise)?
Or is it that saved Israelites and saved gentiles are categorically discrete?"
Keep moving the shell and pea, the suckers keep guessing and dizzy. That's the game.
Well that's obvious.
Some don't know that the Jews are beloved of the Lord (Romans 11:28) which is their excuse to be racist towards the Jews not having any mercy to desire that the descendants of Abraham be saved.
It's funny that these racists want mercy for themselves but none for the Jews.
Genesis 12:3
I will bless those who bless you,
But I will curse those who curse you.
And through you I will bless all the nations
Numbers 24:9
Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed,
And whoever curses Israel will be cursed
Romans 11:28
they are beloved for the Father's sakes
Those that are racist and hateful towards God's chosen people... are cursed.
For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy - James 2:13
You should know that just like the prodigal son, the Father longs for them to return to Him.
They all hate the Jews so you should be right at home with these people.
Here's another news flash for you - the vast majority of what passes for "christianity" in the end times are actually the tares Jesus warned of who are actually the children of the devil just playing religious games claiming they are Christians.
Matthew 7:13,14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
According to Jesus, most people end up going to hell.
I'm not sure why you ignored what I said, earlier - "Nobody is disputing the fact that the old testament did indicate timelines for the fulfilment of some prophecies".
My Minister never said anything about the old testament prophecies which were given to Israel, they don't concern us, they weren't given for us or to us. But your attempt to figure out the day or year for the return of the Lord Jesus is foolish, because He said nobody knows, but you reject what He said by claiming you know. So you minister/teacher has deceived you.
The Lord Jesus told His audience to "watch and be ready" 2000 years ago, and people like you ran around telling everyone that His return is immanent 2000 years ago, Can you see how silly they looked 2000 years ago and how silly it is to be making the same silly mistake in 2026.
" are actually the children of the devil just playing religious games claiming they are Christians."
And it runs the spectrum from peddling false doctrine to willful ignorance to denial of what is clearly true. And so much more.
"My Minister never said anything about the old testament prophecies which were given to Israel"
You would do better to put your nose to the grindstone and find out the truth for yourself.
I had no choice but to dismiss and walk away from many many faux bogus "Churches" and hopelessly addled clueless "pastors" around here. They struck out so badly it was truly appalling to behold.
Nope. It's pre-trib rapture of the Church, an accurate understanding of prophecy aka futurism, premillennialism and restoration of Israel.....or nothing.
Because that is what Jesus, Paul and the Apostles preached and what the earliest Church believed.
I didn't bother wasting time reading the link, because the title itself is an oxymoron. It's self defeating by asking an invalid question, because the Lord said that nobody knows except for the Father.Does God give us a timeline for the end of the age?
Does God give us a timeline for the second coming.pdf
drive.google.com
Here is a Pdf summarizing what I have shared. If cv5 has suggestions for additions let me know. Anyone can download it, 13 pages long, it is easier to read than to go through the back and forth on this. However, I do include the verses that @Journey_man gave to support his "minister's" interpretation.
But you can't accept what Jesus said, so you go and look for ear ticklers to tell you what you what to hear.
My Pastor doesn't need to speak Greek or Yiddish to understand the English translation of the Bible. Let me remind you that we are in the 21st century and not the 1st.
Your theology is incoherent, it's all messed up. You got it back to front in Eph 1:11 which says (we have obtained an inheritance), present tense, but you twist to make it say (we will obtain an inheritance) meaning a future inheritance.
My Pastor teaches us that we are "already saved" and we are "being saved" and we "will be saved". You may not have the capacity to get your mind around that concept but that's OK, not many have the gift of discernment which God gave to my pastor.
You believe that a spiritually dead person (that's all of humanity), has the ability to resurrect themselves to life and then manufacture saving faith out of a dead spirit, and then put to death their old sin nature (which hates God and loves sin) and then fabricate a new nature and then fabricate faith by their own magical power and then cash in that faith to receive the reward of eternal life in paradise and gain all the riches of the universe.
But the problem with your philosophy is, God said no. No you can't do anything, because you are dead in your sin and you are enslaved by your sin and Satan. So the only way for a dead man to be made alive and set free from bondage is by God Himself. It's not something you can do for yourself.
I know Arminianism teaches you the man centred version of the gospel, but that version can't save anyone because it's fake.
Gods elect are not Jews or Israelis, Gods elect are the Church (The Body of Christ). Israel/Jews were chosen for a purpouse, to proclaim Gods Word to the world. The elect (the Church) was chosen for salvation. God wrote each of our names in His Book of Life, before He created the world.
The elect has always been made up of Gentiles like Abraham and Job, from the beginning. This idea that Gentiles were added to Gods elect, under the new covenant is false. God chose a specific number of people (the elect) for salvation, before He made the world.
The Jews are all born dead in sin, just like everyone else. They don't get any special privileges, if anything they suffer worse punishment for their sin because the law was given to them so they are without excuse.
There are no Jews or Gentiles in Christ.
Just a quick heads-up:
If as you say your pastor is super-determinist and staunchly Reformed, then axiomatically he also holds to the diametrically opposite view of the true and grammatically intended meaning of the terms "predestined" and "predestination".
In other words, he would be "dead wrong". Dead wrong about some of the most doctrinally important and crucial passages in all the Bible.
Have a nice night!
You said that your minister said that "God does not give timelines" hence Ezekiel is not giving us a timeline. Now you say that your minister knows that God gave timelines about everything, everything except for the day of the Lord which is the single biggest topic in Biblical prophecy and because God doesn't do it that is why the timeline that is given in Ezekiel doesn't mean what it says.
At this point it is a complete waste of time talking with you about this anymore.
Not only so you accuse me of doing things I am not doing. I am not trying to figure out the day. What I am trying to do is understand the word of God and I refuse to limited by some "minister" making absurd claims that are patently false.