Revolution in Iran

[Journey_man]

"My Minister never said anything about the old testament prophecies which were given to Israel"

You would do better to put your nose to the grindstone and find out the truth for yourself.

I had no choice but to dismiss and walk away from many many faux bogus "Churches" and hopelessly addled clueless "pastors" around here. They struck out so badly it was truly appalling to behold.

Nope. It's pre-trib rapture of the Church, an accurate understanding of prophecy aka futurism, premillennialism and restoration of Israel.....or nothing.

Because that is what Jesus, Paul and the Apostles preached and what the earliest Church believed.

I have checked everything my Pastor teaches, by doing what Berrien's did, they searched the scriptures to see if those things are so. And I'm pleased to confirm that my Pastor has been exceedingly faithful to the Lord in all of his teaching and preaching.
We have around 120 members, and not a single ones has ever found any fault in anything he teaches. So it sounds like you haven't found a faithful Shepherd as yet. It took me around 3 1/2 years to find a Church where Gods Word is faithfully proclaimed.

Nope. Pre-trib rapture of the Church is false, because it doesn't line up with what the scriptures reveal about the rapture.
The pre-tribulation rapture is an unbiblical, recent invention. The post-tribulation perspective where the church endures the tribulation and is gathered at Christ's single, visible return makes more sense.

The following verses confirm the our view as being biblically correct.

Matt. 24:29-31 Jesus explicitly states the gathering of the elect happens "Immediately after the tribulation of those days," not before.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (The Gathering): Paul states that believers who are alive are "caught up" together with the resurrected dead to meet the Lord, this is the church meeting Jesus in the air as He descends, not disappearing before the tribulation begins.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (The Apostasy/Antichrist): Paul argues that the Day of the Lord (rapture/return) cannot happen until "the apostasy" and the revealing of the "man of lawlessness" (Antichrist) occurs.
Revelation 13:7 (The Saints in Tribulation): The beast is given power to "make war with the saints and to overcome them," implying the church is present during the tribulation.
John 17:15 (Protection Within Tribulation): Jesus prays to the Father, "I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one," which is seen as a promise of protection in the tribulation, not removal from it.
Matt. 13:29-30 (Wheat and Tares): Jesus says the wheat (believers) and tares (unbelievers) grow together until the harvest (end of the age), suggesting the church is not removed before the judgment.

 

[Slimsumo]

Nah, Christ Jesus made it clear by His own words.

"When YOU see these things" Yes the audience there with Him. In their future.

Oh and let us not forget...... one of the penultimate messages of the NT.

Matthew 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is only with His disciples gathered there until the end of the world? No one else`? Uses the word YOU. This happens throughout the Bible, if you interpret the Bible like this you have no verses that apply to you. Jesus always says YOU, as does Paul and others

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Ex Green Beret says pilot rescue was likely also a trial run for inserting special op forces into Iran, which failed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2040931012159381907

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Some Iranian with same opinion

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

This shows how accurate the Shahed drones are. The Ukrainian president said the day before this happened that he was sending experts to help counter drone attacks

 

[ZNP]

ALERT: 36 Hours to HISTORIC DISASTER. Everything Could be DESTROYED.​

 

[ZNP]

I have checked everything my Pastor teaches, by doing what Berrien's did, they searched the scriptures to see if those things are so. And I'm pleased to confirm that my Pastor has been exceedingly faithful to the Lord in all of his teaching and preaching.
We have around 120 members, and not a single ones has ever found any fault in anything he teaches. So it sounds like you haven't found a faithful Shepherd as yet. It took me around 3 1/2 years to find a Church where Gods Word is faithfully proclaimed.

Nope. Pre-trib rapture of the Church is false, because it doesn't line up with what the scriptures reveal about the rapture.
The pre-tribulation rapture is an unbiblical, recent invention. The post-tribulation perspective where the church endures the tribulation and is gathered at Christ's single, visible return makes more sense.

The following verses confirm the our view as being biblically correct.

Matt. 24:29-31 Jesus explicitly states the gathering of the elect happens "Immediately after the tribulation of those days," not before.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (The Gathering): Paul states that believers who are alive are "caught up" together with the resurrected dead to meet the Lord, this is the church meeting Jesus in the air as He descends, not disappearing before the tribulation begins.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (The Apostasy/Antichrist): Paul argues that the Day of the Lord (rapture/return) cannot happen until "the apostasy" and the revealing of the "man of lawlessness" (Antichrist) occurs.
Revelation 13:7 (The Saints in Tribulation): The beast is given power to "make war with the saints and to overcome them," implying the church is present during the tribulation.
John 17:15 (Protection Within Tribulation): Jesus prays to the Father, "I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one," which is seen as a promise of protection in the tribulation, not removal from it.
Matt. 13:29-30 (Wheat and Tares): Jesus says the wheat (believers) and tares (unbelievers) grow together until the harvest (end of the age), suggesting the church is not removed before the judgment.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 -- "those who are alive and remain" indicating there are some that are no longer there, that is, they have already been taken.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Paul says the day of the Lord cannot have already past until the man of sin is revealed and sits in the temple, portraying himself as God. That takes place in the middle of the seven years. The Thessalonians thought they had missed the entire seven years, not simply the rapture.

Revelation 13:7 yes, the saints are present during the tribulation. They are called the "left behind". There are three harvests: Firstfruits, general harvest and gleanings. The firstfruits are offered to God and represent the "raptured saints". During the tribulation you will have the general harvest and the gleanings.

Yes, during the tribulation the saints are protected by the Lord, we have a promise that He will never leave us or forsake us. That said we are also told they are beheaded if they refuse the mark of the beast.

Yes, the Wheat and tares grow together. Wheat is harvested using a Tribulum, a heavy roller that breaks the chaff away from the grains. This is where we get the term "tribulation". The purpose of the tribulation is to separate the wheat from the chaff (Christians holding onto the world). However, prior to the harvest the firstfruits must be offered to God, He blesses them and that blesses the whole harvest.

Another shadow of the rapture is the sanctification of the priests. They are separated from the congregation for seven days, ie the seven years of the tribulation.

Another shadow is that the high priest is brought to the temple and kept in a chamber for seven days prior to the day of Atonement, the day of Judgement which would be the last year of the seven year tribulation.

 

[SonJudgment]

Second airman saved, and another Iranian intel chief gets to find out about the high turnover rate for that job. Praise Jesus.

 

[ZNP]

ALERT: 36 Hours to HISTORIC DISASTER. Everything Could be DESTROYED.​

He says the best barometer of how things are going is the price of oil. I agree with this. It is hard to know what the truth is, what people are telling you is true, what is propaganda, and what is simply brazen lies. However, the price of oil will reflect the actual ability to buy oil and it will also reflect the feeling of the rich and powerful who have access to the very best intelligence on this war, and we aren't listening to what they say, we are looking at the billions of dollars they are spending, much more reliable measure.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

1 Thessalonians 4:15 -- "those who are alive and remain" indicating there are some that are no longer there, that is, they have already been taken.

That would be taken in death.

 

[Slimsumo]

Sometimes you have to get rough to obtain the desired results. Good move by Trump and Netanyahu.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2039025686019453122

Would be very unwise to make a deal. How can anyone trust what Iran has to say? How can you know they will keep their end of the deal?

 

[Charlesiii]

OK let me know how you feel when the nukes start falling

I wonder how all these warmongers will feel when their own cities or infrastructure become legitimate targets. Its sad that selfish interest may be what is required to change the opinion of these people about an immoral and illegal war than the words of scripture.

Where their treasure is, there lie their hearts, also.

 

[cv5]

1 Thessalonians 4:15 -- "those who are alive and remain" indicating there are some that are no longer there, that is, they have already been taken.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Paul says the day of the Lord cannot have already past until the man of sin is revealed and sits in the temple, portraying himself as God. That takes place in the middle of the seven years. The Thessalonians thought they had missed the entire seven years, not simply the rapture.

Revelation 13:7 yes, the saints are present during the tribulation. They are called the "left behind". There are three harvests: Firstfruits, general harvest and gleanings. The firstfruits are offered to God and represent the "raptured saints". During the tribulation you will have the general harvest and the gleanings.

Yes, during the tribulation the saints are protected by the Lord, we have a promise that He will never leave us or forsake us. That said we are also told they are beheaded if they refuse the mark of the beast.

Yes, the Wheat and tares grow together. Wheat is harvested using a Tribulum, a heavy roller that breaks the chaff away from the grains. This is where we get the term "tribulation". The purpose of the tribulation is to separate the wheat from the chaff (Christians holding onto the world). However, prior to the harvest the firstfruits must be offered to God, He blesses them and that blesses the whole harvest.

Another shadow of the rapture is the sanctification of the priests. They are separated from the congregation for seven days, ie the seven years of the tribulation.

Another shadow is that the high priest is brought to the temple and kept in a chamber for seven days prior to the day of Atonement, the day of Judgement which would be the last year of the seven year tribulation.

"We have around 120 members, and not a single ones has ever found any fault in anything he teaches."

Frankly, this person is batting zero as regards the primary and most important eschatological and soteriological doctrinal pillars.
But certainly nothing unusual nowadays. Most seminaries are packed with unbelieving professors. Garbage in garbage out.

 

[cv5]

Second airman saved, and another Iranian intel chief gets to find out about the high turnover rate for that job. Praise Jesus.

According to my investigation, the electrical grid can be wrecked beyond repair in 3-5 days if Trumps decides to do so.
Interestingly, the Iranian grid is superbly decentralized. Nevertheless, key transmission nodes remain as weak points.

Take them out and the grid collapses. Yes, there are hundreds, but targeting is a done deal, and there is little in the way of Iranian air defense.

 

[HeIsHere]

Matthew 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is only with His disciples gathered there until the end of the world? No one else`? Uses the word YOU. This happens throughout the Bible, if you interpret the Bible like this you have no verses that apply to you. Jesus always says YOU, as does Paul and others

The Bible is not written to us, it is written for us.
It applies to us in the generalized sense but it is still always read through the lens of the first audience.
This is the essential hermeneutic to read any text but especially scripture.

 

[cv5]

I have checked everything my Pastor teaches, by doing what Berrien's did, they searched the scriptures to see if those things are so. And I'm pleased to confirm that my Pastor has been exceedingly faithful to the Lord in all of his teaching and preaching.
We have around 120 members, and not a single ones has ever found any fault in anything he teaches. So it sounds like you haven't found a faithful Shepherd as yet. It took me around 3 1/2 years to find a Church where Gods Word is faithfully proclaimed.

Nope. Pre-trib rapture of the Church is false, because it doesn't line up with what the scriptures reveal about the rapture.
The pre-tribulation rapture is an unbiblical, recent invention. The post-tribulation perspective where the church endures the tribulation and is gathered at Christ's single, visible return makes more sense.

The following verses confirm the our view as being biblically correct.

Matt. 24:29-31 Jesus explicitly states the gathering of the elect happens "Immediately after the tribulation of those days," not before.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (The Gathering): Paul states that believers who are alive are "caught up" together with the resurrected dead to meet the Lord, this is the church meeting Jesus in the air as He descends, not disappearing before the tribulation begins.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (The Apostasy/Antichrist): Paul argues that the Day of the Lord (rapture/return) cannot happen until "the apostasy" and the revealing of the "man of lawlessness" (Antichrist) occurs.
Revelation 13:7 (The Saints in Tribulation): The beast is given power to "make war with the saints and to overcome them," implying the church is present during the tribulation.
John 17:15 (Protection Within Tribulation): Jesus prays to the Father, "I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one," which is seen as a promise of protection in the tribulation, not removal from it.
Matt. 13:29-30 (Wheat and Tares): Jesus says the wheat (believers) and tares (unbelievers) grow together until the harvest (end of the age), suggesting the church is not removed before the judgment.

"We have around 120 members, and not a single ones has ever found any fault in anything he teaches."

Frankly, this person is batting zero as regards the primary and most important eschatological and soteriological doctrinal pillars.
But certainly nothing unusual nowadays. Most seminaries are packed with unbelieving professors. Garbage in garbage out.

 

[HeIsHere]

I wonder how all these warmongers will feel when their own cities or infrastructure become legitimate targets. Its sad that selfish interest may be what is required to change the opinion of these people about an immoral and illegal war than the words of scripture.

Where their treasure is, there lie their hearts, also.

If you want to be troubled for several days watch the movie/anti war/ "Threads"

It is on Youtube free.
I think every war monger should be made to watch it so they can be de-programmed.

 

[HeIsHere]

"We have around 120 members, and not a single ones has ever found any fault in anything he teaches."

Frankly, this person is batting zero as regards the primary and most important eschatological and soteriological doctrinal pillars.
But certainly nothing unusual nowadays. Most seminaries are packed with unbelieving professors. Garbage in garbage out.

You mean most seminaries have produced dispensationalists, the fake biblical interpretation method.

 

[HeIsHere]

I wonder how all these warmongers will feel when their own cities or infrastructure become legitimate targets. Its sad that selfish interest may be what is required to change the opinion of these people about an immoral and illegal war than the words of scripture.

Where their treasure is, there lie their hearts, also.

It is really well done for an older movie/documentary. (1984). Beyond disturbing.

 

[Charlesiii]

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It is really well done for an older movie/documentary. (1984). Beyond disturbing.

Thanks. You've piqued my interest. The "beyond disturbing" comment is giving me second thoughts, though! I'm traumatised enough by all the war-cheerleading done by some on threads like this one!

("Another bridge? Hooray!" "Another girl's school?! That will teach them to defy our Great Leader!" "Oh no, those barbarians have dared to shoot down some of our aircraft and might hold our captured personnel to account?!" )

Certainly worth commenting - though. These people will probably serve as an excuse by the world to declare Christians the Nazis of tomorrow (tomorrow's Nazis will probably be known as Zionists).