Oh and BTW, that which you have concluded is standard error for newbies who stumble into an Augustininan amillennial "Church".I have checked everything my Pastor teaches, by doing what Berrien's did, they searched the scriptures to see if those things are so. And I'm pleased to confirm that my Pastor has been exceedingly faithful to the Lord in all of his teaching and preaching.
We have around 120 members, and not a single ones has ever found any fault in anything he teaches. So it sounds like you haven't found a faithful Shepherd as yet. It took me around 3 1/2 years to find a Church where Gods Word is faithfully proclaimed.
Nope. Pre-trib rapture of the Church is false, because it doesn't line up with what the scriptures reveal about the rapture.
The pre-tribulation rapture is an unbiblical, recent invention. The post-tribulation perspective where the church endures the tribulation and is gathered at Christ's single, visible return makes more sense.
The following verses confirm the our view as being biblically correct.
Matt. 24:29-31 Jesus explicitly states the gathering of the elect happens "Immediately after the tribulation of those days," not before.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (The Gathering): Paul states that believers who are alive are "caught up" together with the resurrected dead to meet the Lord, this is the church meeting Jesus in the air as He descends, not disappearing before the tribulation begins.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (The Apostasy/Antichrist): Paul argues that the Day of the Lord (rapture/return) cannot happen until "the apostasy" and the revealing of the "man of lawlessness" (Antichrist) occurs.
Revelation 13:7 (The Saints in Tribulation): The beast is given power to "make war with the saints and to overcome them," implying the church is present during the tribulation.
John 17:15 (Protection Within Tribulation): Jesus prays to the Father, "I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one," which is seen as a promise of protection in the tribulation, not removal from it.
Matt. 13:29-30 (Wheat and Tares): Jesus says the wheat (believers) and tares (unbelievers) grow together until the harvest (end of the age), suggesting the church is not removed before the judgment.
It may take 20 years for you to discover the actual intended meaning of those passages.
Good luck kid. You are gonna need it.
Oh and BTW, the PRE-TRIB rapture is the ONLY "order/rank" of resurrection where STILL LIVING believers are "TRANSFORMED".
Like the OT "types" Enoch and Elijah, and MANY others, all of whom of whom are portrayals of a pre-trib rapture.
You see kid, some of us actually DO know what we are talking about. And DO rightly divide the truth and preach sound doctrine.
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Enoch left
Lot left
Rahab left
Ruth married
Joseph’s bride secured
Isaac’s bride sheltered
Daniel absent
Elijah taken
OT patterns confirm the pre-trib rapture:
-The HEBREW Passover pattern
-The HEBREW marriage protocol pattern
What needs to be understood is that God embeds prophetic patterns (“types”) in the Old Testament long before He reveals the doctrine plainly in the New Testament (1 Cor 10:11).
God removes or shelters the righteous before He pours out global or regional judgment.
Below are the major OT rapture-types that form a unified prophetic pattern.
1) Enoch — Removed before judgment
Genesis 5:24
“And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.”
Enoch was:
• Righteous
• Walking with God
• Removed before the Flood (the greatest judgment in history)
This is the purest rapture type in the Bible.
Noah (Israel) goes through the Flood
Enoch (the Church) is taken out beforehand
This is not accidental — Hebrews 11:5 explicitly says Enoch was translated (Greek: metatithēmi = moved from one place to another without dying).
2) Noah & the Ark — Israel protected, Church removed
The Flood is the OT type of the Tribulation.
Person What happened Prophetic role
Enoch Taken away Church raptured
Noah Preserved through wrath Israel protected
World Judged Tribulation
Jesus directly linked His Second Coming to the days of Noah (Matthew 24:37).
The structure is identical to Revelation.
3) Lot — Removed before fire fell
Genesis 19:22
“Haste thee… for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither.”
God literally says:
“I cannot judge Sodom until Lot is gone.”
This is massive.
Lot is not a great saint — yet he is righteous (2 Peter 2:7-8).
God forcibly removes him before judgment falls.
Jesus explicitly ties Lot to end-time judgment in Luke 17:28-30.
4) Isaac — The bride never goes into the wilderness
In Genesis 24:
• Isaac (the son) stays home
• A servant (Holy Spirit) goes to get a bride
• Rebekah is taken to Isaac
• She never enters the wilderness
Israel goes through the wilderness
The Bride does not
This is the clearest picture of the Church being taken to Christ before Jacob’s trouble begins.
5) Joseph — The Gentile bride before the famine
Joseph is rejected by his brothers (Israel), then:
• Exalted to Gentile ruler
• Takes a Gentile bride
• Then the 7-year famine begins
• Then he is revealed to Israel
This is textbook:
Christ → Church → Tribulation → Israel restored
6) Ruth — The Church gathered before judgment
You already noted this one, but here’s the prophetic key:
• Ruth (Gentile bride) is married to Boaz
• Before Naomi (Israel) is restored
• Before famine ends
• Before the kingdom blessing comes
Ruth is not present during Israel’s time of national chastening — she is already in union with the Redeemer.
7) Elijah — Taken before Israel enters tribulation
Elijah is:
• Taken up
• Then Elisha ministers to Israel during a time of judgment and apostasy
Elijah = Church
Elisha = Israel’s prophetic witness during tribulation
Malachi 4 ties Elijah to the end times.
8) Rahab — Taken out before Jericho falls
Rahab (a Gentile believer) is:
• Sealed
• Removed
• Then judgment falls on the city
Again: rescued before destruction.
9) Daniel removed before the furnace
Daniel (a type of the Church) is absent from Daniel 3.
The three Hebrew men (Israel) go into the fire
Daniel (Church) is nowhere to be found
Exactly like Revelation: the Church is gone, Israel is refined.
10) The consistent rule
Throughout the OT:
God never pours out covenantal wrath on His redeemed people.
That is why:
• Enoch left
• Lot left
• Rahab left
• Ruth married
• Joseph’s bride secured
• Isaac’s bride sheltered
• Daniel absent
• Elijah taken
And then judgment comes.
Why this matters
The pre-tribulation rapture is not built on one verse — it is built on the entire architecture of Scripture.
It is how God has always worked.
“For God hath not appointed us to wrath…” (1 Thess 5:9)