They have bent the knee, they have done wisely. They have two weeks. Praise Jesus.
They have bent the knee, they have done wisely. They have two weeks. Praise Jesus.
There's not one instance in the bible of God using a foreign power to protect Israel.
You need to either ignore or twist the meaning of many scriptures for your eschatology to float. The reality is, you're borrowing irrelevant scriptures from the OT and misapplying them to the NT, while sidestepping the NT scriptures which expose your interpretation as misguided.
Without getting bogged down in futile disputes, I'll just mention a couple of verses from the NT which destroy the pre-trib rapture theory.
1. Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus states that "immediately after the tribulation of those days" he will gather his elect, aligning the gathering (rapture) with his post-tribulation return.
2. John 6:39-40 44, 54: Jesus repeatedly promises to raise believers up "on the last day," reinforcing that the resurrection/gathering happens at the end of time, not years prior as you're suggesting.
"Meeting" the Lord: The Greek term for "meet" (apantesis) in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 refers to a welcoming delegation going out to meet a visiting dignitary and escorting him back into the city, suggesting believers meet Christ in the air to escort him to earth, not to flee to heaven.
So you are saying your pastor is oblivious to these profound Biblical truths (such as those so provided already) and has failed in his responsibility to both KNOW and TEACH these magnificent and all-pervasive PATTERNS and TYPES and "macro-codes" that are both "Divine Watermarks" of authenticity and prescient lessons for all the ages of men to know?You need to either ignore or twist the meaning of many scriptures for your eschatology to float. The reality is, you're borrowing irrelevant scriptures from the OT and misapplying them to the NT, while sidestepping the NT scriptures which expose your interpretation as misguided.
Without getting bogged down in futile disputes, I'll just mention a couple of verses from the NT which destroy the pre-trib rapture theory.
1. Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus states that "immediately after the tribulation of those days" he will gather his elect, aligning the gathering (rapture) with his post-tribulation return.
2. John 6:39-40 44, 54: Jesus repeatedly promises to raise believers up "on the last day," reinforcing that the resurrection/gathering happens at the end of time, not years prior as you're suggesting.
"Meeting" the Lord: The Greek term for "meet" (apantesis) in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 refers to a welcoming delegation going out to meet a visiting dignitary and escorting him back into the city, suggesting believers meet Christ in the air to escort him to earth, not to flee to heaven.
Of course. And included in these edicts by theses kings was MILITARY PROTECTION, exemption from taxes, mandatory financial and logistical support.Let's take a closer look at your claim.
In 538 BC, Cyrus issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their Temple. He even funded the project from the royal treasury. Both Darius 1 and Artaxerxes I continued to help the Jews in that matter.
State Protection - Set entirely within the Persian Empire, this narrative describes how God used Queen Esther and King Ahasuerus (Xerxes I) to thwart a state-sponsored genocide. The king eventually issued a decree that gave the Jewish people the right to assemble and defend themselves against their enemies throughout his entire empire.
Egypt- Long before the Exodus, God used a foreign power to save the family of Israel from extinction. During a massive famine, God positioned Joseph as the second-in-command of Egypt. Under the protection of the Egyptian Pharaoh, the entire house of Jacob was given the fertile land of Goshen to survive and grow into a great nation. AI
Just a few examples. I can find more I'm sure.
Of course.
No doubt those head coverings will come off with the blast from Mr Ts nooks blow them off . Do you think that and no toilets, running water electric, food will endear those liberated Muslim women?Wow, I'm rather surprised at your response. First, Iran has been a menace for years! It's been the number one terrorist sponsor since the 70s. Every single president said they could not have a nuke and the only one that does something about it, everyone turns on him. And what of the people of Iran, the women in particular, don't they deserve freedom? Wow, I can't believe Christians would not want to see a free Iran. Stunning to me.
Of course it does. The wheat and the tares. The tares are bundled up and tossed into the fire. That is what happens during the tribulation. The wheat is harvested and taken to the barn, that is a general harvest. But the law of God says before you can have a general harvest there must be the firstfruits offered to God. Shavuot was the feast in which they offered the firstfruits of wheat to God. When Jesus was resurrected others were raised from the dead with Him. That was on the first feast of firstfruits, which is the barley harvest. You are to offer a sheaf of barley to God. That is what Jesus did.Your interpretation of those verses doesn't make any sense, the bible never mentions anything about being 3 raptures.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 as a comforting assurance that believers who have died ("fallen asleep") will not miss or be disadvantaged at Christ’s Second Coming. It teaches that the dead in Christ will be resurrected first, followed by the immediate catching up of living believers to meet the Lord, emphasizing a unified, single resurrection event.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 is emphasizing that the "day of the Lord" is not imminent because a significant "apostasy" (falling away) and the revelation of the "man of lawlessness" (Antichrist) must occur first. It focuses on God’s sovereignty in history, the reality of a final spiritual rebellion, and the ultimate destruction of evil by Jesus.
Revelation 13:7—where the beast is allowed to make war on and conquer the saints—is the ongoing persecution of the Church by antichristian, totalitarian, or state-worshiping systems, rather than exclusively a future event. It highlights that this power is allowed by God (sovereignty), impacts all tribes/nations (global scope), and is a spiritual attack against the faithful.
Yes, the saints—the Church—will be present on earth during the tribulation and many will be killed (martyred) for their faith. The Bible does not support a secret pre-tribulation rapture that rescues the church from persecution, viewing the tribulation as a period where the church overcomes through faithfulness even unto death.
Your interpretation of the harvest doesn't make sense, because (Christians don't hold on to the world). You need to understand that Christians don't hold onto the world, that's what the children of the Devil do. Gods people hold on to Christ.
Already debunked.
Let's take a closer look at your claim.
In 538 BC, Cyrus issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their Temple. He even funded the project from the royal treasury. Both Darius 1 and Artaxerxes I continued to help the Jews in that matter.
State Protection - Set entirely within the Persian Empire, this narrative describes how God used Queen Esther and King Ahasuerus (Xerxes I) to thwart a state-sponsored genocide. The king eventually issued a decree that gave the Jewish people the right to assemble and defend themselves against their enemies throughout his entire empire.
Egypt- Long before the Exodus, God used a foreign power to save the family of Israel from extinction. During a massive famine, God positioned Joseph as the second-in-command of Egypt. Under the protection of the Egyptian Pharaoh, the entire house of Jacob was given the fertile land of Goshen to survive and grow into a great nation. AI
Just a few examples. I can find more I'm sure.
There is no verse, no argument, no logic, no fact, nor evidence that can change this heavy, deep indoctrination.
The only thing that will happen is another mass disappointment when the rapture/ antichrist/war does not occur.... cause time is running out bigly!
At that point, they will realize they were wrong or they will just move the goal post again, in which case they will look like complete fools and again it will reflect horribly on Christianity.
sigh.
AI Overview
Isa 49~~22 This is what the Lord GOD says: “Behold, I will lift up My hand to the nations, and raise My banner to the peoples. They will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders. 23 Kings will be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow to you facedown and lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in Me will never be put to shame.”There's not one instance in the bible of God using a foreign power to protect Israel. In fact, God sharply rebuked kings for forming foreign alliances to that end. The reason you have to believe God is doing so now is because you're following the doctrine of the pharisees, and not the faith of Christ..
For some, those passages warm the heart; for others they chill the bones.Isa 49~~22 This is what the Lord GOD says: “Behold, I will lift up My hand to the nations, and raise My banner to the peoples. They will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders. 23 Kings will be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow to you facedown and lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in Me will never be put to shame.”
Debunked. Blowhard IRGC clickbait agitprop for dummies....US accepts Iran's 10-point plan as basis for 2-week negotiations. Iran says it's not an end to the war unless all conditions are met. Hard to imagine the US agreeing to this, but let's hope Trump found his off-ramp.
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And the conundrum for them?For some, those passages warm the heart; for others they chill the bones.
I think that we can confidently surmise which sentiment is shared by whom on this thread.
Isa 49~~22 This is what the Lord GOD says: “Behold, I will lift up My hand to the nations, and raise My banner to the peoples. They will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders. 23 Kings will be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow to you facedown and lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in Me will never be put to shame.”
Church, sect, and cult leaders have predicted the end of the world hundreds of times throughout history, with over 200 specific dates for apocalyptic events having been recorded. These predictions have occurred in almost every generation for the past 2,000 years.There is no verse, no argument, no logic, no fact, nor evidence that can change this heavy, deep indoctrination.
The only thing that will happen is another mass disappointment when the rapture/ antichrist/war does not occur.... cause time is running out bigly!
At that point, they will realize they were wrong or they will just move the goal post again, in which case they will look like complete fools and again it will reflect horribly on Christianity.
sigh.
I will pass on your message to my pastor, but I'm sure he will confirm what I already suspect. Your theology is not systematic because there are many contradictions in your interpretation of the bible.So you are saying your pastor is oblivious to these profound Biblical truths (such as those so provided already) and has failed in his responsibility to both KNOW and TEACH these magnificent and all-pervasive PATTERNS and TYPES and "macro-codes" that are both "Divine Watermarks" of authenticity and prescient lessons for all the ages of men to know?
Pity. Tell him to give me a buzz and I will do what I can to fill in that HUGE void in his understanding and fill his empty plate with the hidden manna.
Better yet tune him in to my posts on this blog. Just tell him to use the search tool.