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There's not one instance in the bible of God using a foreign power to protect Israel.

Let's take a closer look at your claim.
In 538 BC, Cyrus issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their Temple. He even funded the project from the royal treasury. Both Darius 1 and Artaxerxes I continued to help the Jews in that matter.
State Protection - Set entirely within the Persian Empire, this narrative describes how God used Queen Esther and King Ahasuerus (Xerxes I) to thwart a state-sponsored genocide. The king eventually issued a decree that gave the Jewish people the right to assemble and defend themselves against their enemies throughout his entire empire.
Egypt- Long before the Exodus, God used a foreign power to save the family of Israel from extinction. During a massive famine, God positioned Joseph as the second-in-command of Egypt. Under the protection of the Egyptian Pharaoh, the entire house of Jacob was given the fertile land of Goshen to survive and grow into a great nation. AI

Just a few examples. I can find more I'm sure.
 
You need to either ignore or twist the meaning of many scriptures for your eschatology to float. The reality is, you're borrowing irrelevant scriptures from the OT and misapplying them to the NT, while sidestepping the NT scriptures which expose your interpretation as misguided.

Without getting bogged down in futile disputes, I'll just mention a couple of verses from the NT which destroy the pre-trib rapture theory.

1. Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus states that "immediately after the tribulation of those days" he will gather his elect, aligning the gathering (rapture) with his post-tribulation return.
2. John 6:39-40 44, 54: Jesus repeatedly promises to raise believers up "on the last day," reinforcing that the resurrection/gathering happens at the end of time, not years prior as you're suggesting.
"Meeting" the Lord: The Greek term for "meet" (apantesis) in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 refers to a welcoming delegation going out to meet a visiting dignitary and escorting him back into the city, suggesting believers meet Christ in the air to escort him to earth, not to flee to heaven.

There is no verse, no argument, no logic, no fact, nor evidence that can change this heavy, deep indoctrination.

The only thing that will happen is another mass disappointment when the rapture/ antichrist/war does not occur.... cause time is running out bigly!

At that point, they will realize they were wrong or they will just move the goal post again, in which case they will look like complete fools and again it will reflect horribly on Christianity.
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You need to either ignore or twist the meaning of many scriptures for your eschatology to float. The reality is, you're borrowing irrelevant scriptures from the OT and misapplying them to the NT, while sidestepping the NT scriptures which expose your interpretation as misguided.

Without getting bogged down in futile disputes, I'll just mention a couple of verses from the NT which destroy the pre-trib rapture theory.

1. Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus states that "immediately after the tribulation of those days" he will gather his elect, aligning the gathering (rapture) with his post-tribulation return.
2. John 6:39-40 44, 54: Jesus repeatedly promises to raise believers up "on the last day," reinforcing that the resurrection/gathering happens at the end of time, not years prior as you're suggesting.
"Meeting" the Lord: The Greek term for "meet" (apantesis) in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 refers to a welcoming delegation going out to meet a visiting dignitary and escorting him back into the city, suggesting believers meet Christ in the air to escort him to earth, not to flee to heaven.
So you are saying your pastor is oblivious to these profound Biblical truths (such as those so provided already) and has failed in his responsibility to both KNOW and TEACH these magnificent and all-pervasive PATTERNS and TYPES and "macro-codes" that are both "Divine Watermarks" of authenticity and prescient lessons for all the ages of men to know?

Pity. Tell him to give me a buzz and I will do what I can to fill in that HUGE void in his understanding and fill his empty plate with the hidden manna.

Better yet tune him in to my posts on this blog. Just tell him to use the search tool.
 
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Let's take a closer look at your claim.
In 538 BC, Cyrus issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their Temple. He even funded the project from the royal treasury. Both Darius 1 and Artaxerxes I continued to help the Jews in that matter.
State Protection - Set entirely within the Persian Empire, this narrative describes how God used Queen Esther and King Ahasuerus (Xerxes I) to thwart a state-sponsored genocide. The king eventually issued a decree that gave the Jewish people the right to assemble and defend themselves against their enemies throughout his entire empire.
Egypt- Long before the Exodus, God used a foreign power to save the family of Israel from extinction. During a massive famine, God positioned Joseph as the second-in-command of Egypt. Under the protection of the Egyptian Pharaoh, the entire house of Jacob was given the fertile land of Goshen to survive and grow into a great nation. AI

Just a few examples. I can find more I'm sure.
Of course. And included in these edicts by theses kings was MILITARY PROTECTION, exemption from taxes, mandatory financial and logistical support.

And many other protections guarantees and provisions.
 
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Of course.

It is one thing to take a documented occurrence in God's written word and then think you, as a mortal man can make the same connection as though one proves the other.

It does not, it is complete speculation and that is all.
 
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Wow, I'm rather surprised at your response. First, Iran has been a menace for years! It's been the number one terrorist sponsor since the 70s. Every single president said they could not have a nuke and the only one that does something about it, everyone turns on him. And what of the people of Iran, the women in particular, don't they deserve freedom? Wow, I can't believe Christians would not want to see a free Iran. Stunning to me.
No doubt those head coverings will come off with the blast from Mr Ts nooks blow them off . Do you think that and no toilets, running water electric, food will endear those liberated Muslim women?
How is it you, and the my desire for peace abroad and a restoration of stability here surprise you?

Is this /\ ok?
 
Your interpretation of those verses doesn't make any sense, the bible never mentions anything about being 3 raptures.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 as a comforting assurance that believers who have died ("fallen asleep") will not miss or be disadvantaged at Christ’s Second Coming. It teaches that the dead in Christ will be resurrected first, followed by the immediate catching up of living believers to meet the Lord, emphasizing a unified, single resurrection event.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 is emphasizing that the "day of the Lord" is not imminent because a significant "apostasy" (falling away) and the revelation of the "man of lawlessness" (Antichrist) must occur first. It focuses on God’s sovereignty in history, the reality of a final spiritual rebellion, and the ultimate destruction of evil by Jesus.
Revelation 13:7—where the beast is allowed to make war on and conquer the saints—is the ongoing persecution of the Church by antichristian, totalitarian, or state-worshiping systems, rather than exclusively a future event. It highlights that this power is allowed by God (sovereignty), impacts all tribes/nations (global scope), and is a spiritual attack against the faithful.

Yes, the saints—the Church—will be present on earth during the tribulation and many will be killed (martyred) for their faith. The Bible does not support a secret pre-tribulation rapture that rescues the church from persecution, viewing the tribulation as a period where the church overcomes through faithfulness even unto death.

Your interpretation of the harvest doesn't make sense, because (Christians don't hold on to the world). You need to understand that Christians don't hold onto the world, that's what the children of the Devil do. Gods people hold on to Christ.
Of course it does. The wheat and the tares. The tares are bundled up and tossed into the fire. That is what happens during the tribulation. The wheat is harvested and taken to the barn, that is a general harvest. But the law of God says before you can have a general harvest there must be the firstfruits offered to God. Shavuot was the feast in which they offered the firstfruits of wheat to God. When Jesus was resurrected others were raised from the dead with Him. That was on the first feast of firstfruits, which is the barley harvest. You are to offer a sheaf of barley to God. That is what Jesus did.

So according to the law of God, first you offer the first fruits to God, then you have the general harvest. Finally, there is the gleanings. That also is in the law, it is for the poor, you are not allowed to harvest everything from your field, you have to leave some for the poor to glean. We see this in Ruth, she gleans after the general harvest.

So that is three reapings: Firstfruits

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

harvest, and gleanings.

Revelation 14:14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.
 
Let's take a closer look at your claim.
In 538 BC, Cyrus issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their Temple. He even funded the project from the royal treasury. Both Darius 1 and Artaxerxes I continued to help the Jews in that matter.
State Protection - Set entirely within the Persian Empire, this narrative describes how God used Queen Esther and King Ahasuerus (Xerxes I) to thwart a state-sponsored genocide. The king eventually issued a decree that gave the Jewish people the right to assemble and defend themselves against their enemies throughout his entire empire.
Egypt- Long before the Exodus, God used a foreign power to save the family of Israel from extinction. During a massive famine, God positioned Joseph as the second-in-command of Egypt. Under the protection of the Egyptian Pharaoh, the entire house of Jacob was given the fertile land of Goshen to survive and grow into a great nation. AI

Just a few examples. I can find more I'm sure.

The returned exiles were part of the Achaemenid empire so of course they were protected. It was the law of the empire. Just like they were part of the Roman empire and protected by its laws. And just as the Israelites were part of the Egyptian empire and protected by its laws. In none of those cases was Israel a sovereign nation.

Neither was God living among them in any of those cases. The glory of God departed the temple before the Babylonian invasion, and it never returned until Christ appeared. Neither is God living in modern Israel, except in the hearts of those who believe in Christ.
 
There is no verse, no argument, no logic, no fact, nor evidence that can change this heavy, deep indoctrination.

The only thing that will happen is another mass disappointment when the rapture/ antichrist/war does not occur.... cause time is running out bigly!

At that point, they will realize they were wrong or they will just move the goal post again, in which case they will look like complete fools and again it will reflect horribly on Christianity.
sigh.

The most likely outcome will be many will be offended and fall from the faith and take the mark of the beast.
 
US accepts Iran's 10-point plan as basis for 2-week negotiations. Iran says it's not an end to the war unless all conditions are met. Hard to imagine the US agreeing to this, but let's hope Trump found his off-ramp.

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Trump may have immunity, but the US military doesn't

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There were ten times more air strikes in the covert war on terror during President Barack Obama’s presidency than under his predecessor, George W. Bush.

Obama embraced the US drone programme, overseeing more strikes in his first year than Bush carried out during his entire presidency. A total of 563 strikes, largely by drones, targeted Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen during Obama’s two terms, compared to 57 strikes under Bush. Between 384 and 807 civilians were killed in those countries, according to reports logged by the Bureau.

How did the trials go for the military with these two clowns at the helm?
 
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There's not one instance in the bible of God using a foreign power to protect Israel. In fact, God sharply rebuked kings for forming foreign alliances to that end. The reason you have to believe God is doing so now is because you're following the doctrine of the pharisees, and not the faith of Christ..
Isa 49~~22 This is what the Lord GOD says: “Behold, I will lift up My hand to the nations, and raise My banner to the peoples. They will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders. 23 Kings will be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow to you facedown and lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in Me will never be put to shame.”
 
Isa 49~~22 This is what the Lord GOD says: “Behold, I will lift up My hand to the nations, and raise My banner to the peoples. They will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders. 23 Kings will be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow to you facedown and lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in Me will never be put to shame.”
For some, those passages warm the heart; for others they chill the bones.

I think that we can confidently surmise which sentiment is shared by whom on this thread.
 
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For some, those passages warm the heart; for others they chill the bones.

I think that we can confidently surmise which sentiment is shared by whom on this thread.
And the conundrum for them?

When in history has this ever happened? Everything has been fulfilled according to their theory.

It's the beginning of the 1000 year reign. Pretrib rapture has taken place and the tribulation is ended......And Israel is once again in the blessing of God and His "go to" nation.
 
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Isa 49~~22 This is what the Lord GOD says: “Behold, I will lift up My hand to the nations, and raise My banner to the peoples. They will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders. 23 Kings will be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow to you facedown and lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in Me will never be put to shame.”

The banner Isaiah is referring to is Christ and the "you" he is referring to is Zion, ie., the body of Christ. And guess who bows down before her? This is obviously referring to that Isaiah prophecy

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 3:9
 
There is no verse, no argument, no logic, no fact, nor evidence that can change this heavy, deep indoctrination.

The only thing that will happen is another mass disappointment when the rapture/ antichrist/war does not occur.... cause time is running out bigly!

At that point, they will realize they were wrong or they will just move the goal post again, in which case they will look like complete fools and again it will reflect horribly on Christianity.
sigh.
Church, sect, and cult leaders have predicted the end of the world hundreds of times throughout history, with over 200 specific dates for apocalyptic events having been recorded. These predictions have occurred in almost every generation for the past 2,000 years.
Failed doomsday predictions are a persistent feature of some religious movements, with some leaders—such as Harold Camping—predicting the end of the world as many as 12 times.
In the Year 1000: Many Christians in Europe feared the end of the world at the turn of the first millennium.
In 1843-1844: William Miller (Millerites) predicted the Second Coming in 1843, which did not occur. It was recalculated to October 22, 1844, known as the "Great Disappointment".
In 1910: The return of Halley’s Comet caused a global panic, with many predicting the comet’s tail would destroy all life.
In 1914 & 1975: Jehovah’s Witnesses prophesied the end of the world in 1914, and later suggested 1975.
In 1997: Heaven's Gate cult leader Marshall Applewhite convinced 39 followers to commit suicide to be transported to a spaceship following the Hale-Bopp comet.
In 2000 (Y2K): Various groups predicted the turn of the millennium would bring about the Biblical apocalypse or massive technological collapse.
In 2011: Harold Camping publicly predicted May 21, 2011, for the Rapture, later shifting it to October 21, 2011, after the first date failed.
2012: Misinterpretation of the Maya Long Count calendar led to widespread predictions of a 2012 apocalypse

Research, such as that detailed in "When Prophecy Fails", shows that failed prophecies often strengthen the commitment of the most devout followers, leading to "dissonance reduction" where followers rationalize the error and often shift to a new, future date.
 
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So you are saying your pastor is oblivious to these profound Biblical truths (such as those so provided already) and has failed in his responsibility to both KNOW and TEACH these magnificent and all-pervasive PATTERNS and TYPES and "macro-codes" that are both "Divine Watermarks" of authenticity and prescient lessons for all the ages of men to know?

Pity. Tell him to give me a buzz and I will do what I can to fill in that HUGE void in his understanding and fill his empty plate with the hidden manna.

Better yet tune him in to my posts on this blog. Just tell him to use the search tool.
I will pass on your message to my pastor, but I'm sure he will confirm what I already suspect. Your theology is not systematic because there are many contradictions in your interpretation of the bible.

Your "magnificent and all-pervasive PATTERNS and TYPES and macro-codes", don't work when you enter the Words of Jesus to the equation. I have already quoted the verses which show that your code is fundamentally flawed.
 
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