Revolution in Iran

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cv5 said:
Such blather is absolutely infantile absurdity. Any reasonably intelligent adult can read Romans 9-11 and come to a sane conclusion on the content.
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Yes, any sane adult can read what you have written and know the truth, it points them to the Bible, both Old and New Testaments and they can, if they wish, know the truth.

It is not our responsibility to convince anyone, only to speak the truth in love. What they do with it is between them and the Lord Jesus.
 
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cv5 said:
Such blather is absolutely infantile absurdity. Any reasonably intelligent adult can read Romans 9-11 and come to a sane conclusion on the content.
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Are you up for the Romans 9-11 challenge? Show us one verse in Romans 9-11, except for 11:26, that says anything other than a remnant will be saved? No one has taken up the challenge yet, and I know you won't for the same reason no one has. It's impossible.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
No, all Israel is the elect remnant throughout the ages that has placed their faith in God's savior, ie, Jesus, the lamb of God who took away the sin of the world
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Absolutely ridiculous. The national repentance and redemption of Israel is a future certainty.
They WILL inherit and possess the LAND granted to them in Genesis 15 as a result of the fulfillment of enormous
volumes of failsafe prophecy.

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Paul makes that declaration most clearly and explicitly in Epistle to the Romans 11:25–27—that’s the key passage where he places Israel’s repentance and salvation in the future as a fulfillment of prophecy.



The decisive passage​


Epistle to the Romans​


“Blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved...”
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Why this is future:​


  • “Blindness in part” → Israel is currently hardened (in Paul’s time and continuing)
  • “Until” → this condition has a time limit
  • “Then / and so” → indicates a subsequent change
  • Result: “all Israel shall be saved” → a future national turning


Paul ties it directly to prophecy​


Epistle to the Romans​


“There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer…
For this is my covenant unto them…”
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Paul is quoting:


  • Book of Isaiah 59:20–21
  • plus elements of Book of Isaiah 27:9

👉 So he is explicitly saying:
This future salvation of Israel = fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy



The timeline Paul lays out (very important)​


From Romans 11:


  1. Present condition
    • Israel: partial hardening
    • Gentiles: gospel going out
  2. Turning point
    • “fullness of the Gentiles” comes in
  3. Future event
    • “all Israel shall be saved”
  4. Basis
    • God’s covenant promises (Isaiah / Jeremiah language)


He reinforces it just a few verses later​


Epistle to the Romans​


“As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.”
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👉 Meaning:


  • Even though Israel is currently in unbelief,
  • God’s promises to the nation are not revoked
  • Therefore their future restoration is guaranteed


Important context from Romans 9–11​


Paul builds toward this conclusion:


  • Romans 9 → God’s promises to Israel have not failed
  • Romans 10 → Israel is currently in unbelief
  • Romans 11 → This is temporary, not final

The climax is 11:25–27.



Bottom line​


Paul clearly teaches that:


  • Israel’s current unbelief is partial and temporary
  • A future national turning to God will occur
  • This fulfills Book of Isaiah 59:20–21
  • It happens after the Gentile ingathering

👉 So yes—Paul explicitly places Israel’s repentance and salvation in the future in Romans 11, not in the present Church age.
 
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ZNP said:
Yes, any sane adult can read what you have written and know the truth, it points them to the Bible, both Old and New Testaments and they can, if they wish, know the truth.

It is not our responsibility to convince anyone, only to speak the truth in love. What they do with it is between them and the Lord Jesus.
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No, anyone with faith who humbles themselves to admit that they don't know the truth can be taught of the spirit to know the truth. Spiritual truth is foolishness to carnal people, whether sane or not.
 
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cv5 said:
Absolutely ridiculous. The national repentance and redemption of Israel is a future certainty.
They WILL inherit and possess the LAND granted to them in Genesis 15 as a result of the fulfillment of enormous
volumes of failsafe prophecy.

*********************************************************

Paul makes that declaration most clearly and explicitly in Epistle to the Romans 11:25–27—that’s the key passage where he places Israel’s repentance and salvation in the future as a fulfillment of prophecy.



The decisive passage​


Epistle to the Romans​




Why this is future:​


  • “Blindness in part” → Israel is currently hardened (in Paul’s time and continuing)
  • “Until” → this condition has a time limit
  • “Then / and so” → indicates a subsequent change
  • Result: “all Israel shall be saved” → a future national turning


Paul ties it directly to prophecy​


Epistle to the Romans​




Paul is quoting:


  • Book of Isaiah 59:20–21
  • plus elements of Book of Isaiah 27:9

👉 So he is explicitly saying:
This future salvation of Israel = fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy



The timeline Paul lays out (very important)​


From Romans 11:


  1. Present condition
    • Israel: partial hardening
    • Gentiles: gospel going out
  2. Turning point
    • “fullness of the Gentiles” comes in
  3. Future event
    • “all Israel shall be saved”
  4. Basis
    • God’s covenant promises (Isaiah / Jeremiah language)


He reinforces it just a few verses later​


Epistle to the Romans​




👉 Meaning:


  • Even though Israel is currently in unbelief,
  • God’s promises to the nation are not revoked
  • Therefore their future restoration is guaranteed


Important context from Romans 9–11​


Paul builds toward this conclusion:


  • Romans 9 → God’s promises to Israel have not failed
  • Romans 10 → Israel is currently in unbelief
  • Romans 11 → This is temporary, not final

The climax is 11:25–27.



Bottom line​


Paul clearly teaches that:


  • Israel’s current unbelief is partial and temporary
  • A future national turning to God will occur
  • This fulfills Book of Isaiah 59:20–21
  • It happens after the Gentile ingathering

👉 So yes—Paul explicitly places Israel’s repentance and salvation in the future in Romans 11, not in the present Church age.
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You're just a chaos agent trying to get Christians to take their eyes off of Christ.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
You're just a chaos agent trying to get Christians to take their eyes off of Christ.
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There are a lot of one-liner Bible thumper hacks who cannot digest more than a couple of paragraphs of sound exegesis
without having a mental short circuit. Don't be one of those.

Frankly, when I see your kind of denial, I realize what I am dealing with:
The blindness that comes as a result of despising and loathing our elder brothers and the
eternally beloved of God the Sons of Jacob.

Bummer to be you!
 
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HeIsHere said:
Calvinism?
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The VAST proportion of Reformed and their ilk DO NOT recognize the FURTURE certain redemption of the Nation Israel.
Calvin himself did not believe in a literal, national restoration of Israel either.

SUMMARY TABLE​

TraditionFuture Jewish Conversion?National Israel Restoration?
CatholicSometimes allowed❌ No
OrthodoxRare / symbolic❌ No
LutheranSometimes allowed❌ No
AnglicanMixed❌ Generally no
MethodistOften yes (Wesley)❌ No
ReformedOften yes (some)❌ No
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Jesus is my elder brother, but I know you want to replace that with someone else
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Recognize your folly and repent of it.

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Paul ties Isaiah 59:20-21 directly to prophecy

Epistle to the Romans

“There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer…
For this is my covenant unto them…”

Paul is quoting:


Book of Isaiah 59:20–21
plus elements of Book of Isaiah 27:9

👉 So he is explicitly saying:
This future salvation of Israel = fulfillment of Isaiah’s ***prophecy***

*****************************************************

Important context from Romans 9–11

Paul builds toward this conclusion:


Romans 9 → God’s promises to Israel have not failed
Romans 10 → Israel is currently in unbelief
Romans 11 → This is temporary, not final

The climax is 11:25–27.
 
Slimsumo said:
Aaand Iran won the war. The west is just too weak against men who are radical and willing to sacrifice, something the U.S didnt want to do again. So much for wiping out civilization, regime change and deadlines.

So far the US has lost (with the biggest budget by far) to:
Vietnamese farmers
Iranian terrorists with no airforce or navy
Afghani goat herders

Wrap it up
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I don't think the ceasefire is gonna hold for too long. The nutter IRGC mafia will push their luck inevitably.

While the ceasefire lingers temporarily, Trump would need to plan for the elimination of the power grid, bridges and infrastructure well in advance, without telegraphing his intentions. So that the IRGC could not organize (at the point of a gun barrel) human shield "protestors" at key locations.

Also gives everyone time reinforce missile air defenses in the neighboring the Gulf states.

If anything, this pause FAVORS the US and IDF. Gives them time to rearm, rest, get their target books dialed in and do the necessary maintenance on the hardware.

The IRGC is the one out of time and money and options. Everything is burning or buried under rubble.
Their war production is down to a trickle if anything.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
It's obvious who you are following

Jesus: "My brothers are those who do the will of God" (Matthew 12:48-50)
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And of course the FUTURE national repentance of the Sons of Jacob will satisfy this necessity.
This as a result of the Nation RECEIVING Him in the latter days, crying out to Him in the midst
of the time of Jacobs trouble.

Yea, that's right. That is exactly what these PROPHETIC passages are indented to convey to the reader.
Do you care to know? No.

How do I know that you don't care to know?
Because I have already posted these passages DOZENS of times already. And you have continuously dismissed them rather than actually studying them.

Hos 5:14
For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.

Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Hos 6:1
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

Hos 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
 
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