Does Grace replace the law?

[vassal]

Does Grace replace the law?

There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

Jesus did preach grace. He showed mercy again and again. He welcomed sinners, ate with them, and called them near. But every time He gave grace, He also called for change. When He met the woman caught in sin, He said,
“Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)

Grace forgives, but it does not leave a person in sin.
Now we must understand something deeper. Grace did not begin when we believed. Grace began with God.
God saw the world in sin, and He did not leave us there. In His mercy, He sent His Son so that we might live.
Jesus did not come for His own comfort. He came to save. He knew the suffering that was ahead, yet He still came.
In the garden, He said, “Not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42, ASV)

This is grace in its clearest form. Jesus gave His life for us. He suffered, He was rejected, and He died so that we could be brought back to God. This was not easy. This was not light. This was love that cost everything. So we can say this plainly: Jesus is grace made visible. But if grace cost Him everything, how can it mean nothing for us?
If He gave His life to free us from sin, how can we say we are free to remain in sin?
Grace is not permission. Grace is a rescue.

Look at another example. There was a tax collector named Zacchaeus. He was a dishonest man, taking more than he should. When Jesus came to him, He did not first give a long teaching. He simply came near to him. That is grace. But what happened next?
In Luke 19:8 (ASV), Zacchaeus says: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any man, I restore fourfold.” Grace touched his heart, and his life changed immediately. He did not say, “I believe,” and continue cheating people. He turned from his sin.
And Jesus answered, “Today is salvation come to this house.” (Luke 19:9, ASV)

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV)

Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.

Jesus also gave a warning that many ignore.
In Matthew 7:21 (ASV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.”
These are people who speak His name, but do not follow His ways.

And He asks in Luke 6:46 (ASV): “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.
Jesus made it simple with a picture.

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand.
Both heard His words.
But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell.
So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Think again about what many say today.

They say grace means no obedience.
They say nothing is required.
They say a changed life is not necessary.

But if that were true, why did Jesus call people to repent? Why did He command obedience? Why did He warn of judgment?
The truth is clear.

Grace calls you out of sin, not into comfort with sin.

Think of it this way.
A man is drowning, and someone jumps into the water to save him, at great cost. That is grace.
But once he is pulled out, will he jump back in and say, “I am safe no matter what”? No. If he understands what was done for him, he will stay out of the water.

Jesus did not suffer so we could stay the same.He suffered so we could be changed.

So what is the truth?

Grace begins with God’s love.
Grace is seen in Jesus giving His life.
Grace forgives.
Grace calls.
Grace transforms.

Faith is not just words. It is a life that follows Him. As He said,
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV)

Do not accept a weak message that leaves you unchanged. Do not hold to a grace that asks nothing from you.
Come to the grace that Jesus gives. The grace that lifts you, cleans you, and leads you into a new life.

Turn from sin. Walk in His ways. Follow Him with your whole life. This is the grace that leads to life.

 

[pinebeach]

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV)

And Christianity does not teach just believe and you are done. Perhaps if you would accept the fact that Paul was called by Jesus as he states he was, you would come to believe in the entire gospel. The gospel is not obedience; the gospel is being reconciled to God by Christ's physical body...His death and resurrection and our identifying with Him in water baptism.

21Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because ofyour evil behavior. 22;But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant. Col. 1

You see, Paul does not represent a pain free belief system in which we just say words and are automatically given entrance into heaven. We are reconciled by Jesus....not our good works or how 'obedient' we are. We do not worship an impoverished God who has given us an incomplete salvation through His Son. Absolutely not!

9And so, from the day we heard, we have not ceased to pray for you, asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, 10so as to walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to him: bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11being strengthened with all power, according to his glorious might, for all endurance and patience with joy; 12to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light. 13He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Col.1

We are not filled with the knowledge of God's will by the commandments. God is Spirit and the commandments were given to physical beings, Israel, and it is not God's will that we trudge through life being bound to 613 or just the 10 that some think are the law. No one has ever kept the law. We know from Jesus that even our thoughts are judged so, how can someone think they are obedient to the law when thoughts expose the truth? That, would include unjustified anger, wishing harm on another, wishing you had what another has, trying to amass wealth and lust....of anything. Is there anyone who has complete command of their thoughts? Or complete obedience to laws there were always meant to be a shadow of what was to come, and now is, through Christ?

The Holy Spirit within a believer does not lead them into sin nor does He lead them apart from the will of God.

Paul says he is an apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, called by the will of God.

There is nothing Paul writes in any letter, that takes away from the holiness and glory of God our Creator. It seems the biggest contention you and other Sabbatarians have, is that he declares our freedom from the law. BUT he never ever declares freedom to sin or live a sinful life.

I have posted Colossians 2 many times in this forum, addressing it to those of the SDA and to all in general who would say that worship on Sunday is evil. Anyone can go and read it for themselves.

We are free from the law to live as Christ would have us live, by the Spirit of God and forgiven and when we do sin, we have someone who has died because of our impossible ability to live in perfection whom we acknowledge as our Savior from all sin and the law. We should acknowledge that we cannot attain any righteous of our own; we are only righteous in Christ.

5This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. I John 1

 

[Dino246]

Does Grace replace the law?

There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

Jesus did preach grace. He showed mercy again and again. He welcomed sinners, ate with them, and called them near. But every time He gave grace, He also called for change. When He met the woman caught in sin, He said,
“Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)

Grace forgives, but it does not leave a person in sin.
Now we must understand something deeper. Grace did not begin when we believed. Grace began with God.
God saw the world in sin, and He did not leave us there. In His mercy, He sent His Son so that we might live.
Jesus did not come for His own comfort. He came to save. He knew the suffering that was ahead, yet He still came.
In the garden, He said, “Not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42, ASV)

This is grace in its clearest form. Jesus gave His life for us. He suffered, He was rejected, and He died so that we could be brought back to God. This was not easy. This was not light. This was love that cost everything. So we can say this plainly: Jesus is grace made visible. But if grace cost Him everything, how can it mean nothing for us?
If He gave His life to free us from sin, how can we say we are free to remain in sin?
Grace is not permission. Grace is a rescue.

Look at another example. There was a tax collector named Zacchaeus. He was a dishonest man, taking more than he should. When Jesus came to him, He did not first give a long teaching. He simply came near to him. That is grace. But what happened next?
In Luke 19:8 (ASV), Zacchaeus says: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any man, I restore fourfold.” Grace touched his heart, and his life changed immediately. He did not say, “I believe,” and continue cheating people. He turned from his sin.
And Jesus answered, “Today is salvation come to this house.” (Luke 19:9, ASV)

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV)

Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.

Jesus also gave a warning that many ignore.
In Matthew 7:21 (ASV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.”
These are people who speak His name, but do not follow His ways.

And He asks in Luke 6:46 (ASV): “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.
Jesus made it simple with a picture.

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand.
Both heard His words.
But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell.
So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Think again about what many say today.

They say grace means no obedience.
They say nothing is required.
They say a changed life is not necessary.

But if that were true, why did Jesus call people to repent? Why did He command obedience? Why did He warn of judgment?
The truth is clear.

Grace calls you out of sin, not into comfort with sin.

Think of it this way.
A man is drowning, and someone jumps into the water to save him, at great cost. That is grace.
But once he is pulled out, will he jump back in and say, “I am safe no matter what”? No. If he understands what was done for him, he will stay out of the water.

Jesus did not suffer so we could stay the same.He suffered so we could be changed.

So what is the truth?

Grace begins with God’s love.
Grace is seen in Jesus giving His life.
Grace forgives.
Grace calls.
Grace transforms.

Faith is not just words. It is a life that follows Him. As He said,
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV)

Do not accept a weak message that leaves you unchanged. Do not hold to a grace that asks nothing from you.
Come to the grace that Jesus gives. The grace that lifts you, cleans you, and leads you into a new life.

Turn from sin. Walk in His ways. Follow Him with your whole life. This is the grace that leads to life.

An extremely long example of a atraw man fallacy.

I guess it’s easy to rant against a misrepresentation of the beliefs of others rather than taking the time to understand their views and carefully represent them.

 

[timf]

Does Grace replace the law?

The kingdom gospel that Jesus presented the nation of Israel with was integral with the law.

Mat_5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

However, the gospel of grace for the gentiles was not based on the law;

Gal_5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[studentoftheword]

Well first the law was for the Jews only -----all 613 laws were for God's chosen Jewish Nation Only to obey ----Gentiles were never included in obeying God's laws under His Covenants ------

So The Gospel of Grace that Jesus preached was for the Jews only ------So because of the Jews refusing to accept the Gospel of Grace ----we Gentiles were then Grafted into accepting the New Covenant of Grace ---

All Gentiles should be very thankful to the Jews for their refusal to accept the Grace Covenant so we could be grafted into having a chance to have eternal life and not eternal death ------All us Gentiles were doomed to hell and the 2nd death -------eternal separation fro God -----

So for the Gentiles ----Grace did not replace the Law because they were never under that Covenant -of the Law ----

And for Jews -------the Covenant of Grace did not replace the Law because they refused to accept the New Grace Covenant Jesus preached -----and they to this day remain trying to Keep and Obey the 613 laws --which they cannot keep -----and right now are a doomed Nation ----but God does save the 12 tribes of Israel in the end -- He does finally honor His Covenant with them --


And Grace is not just a thing ----Grace is a Person -----Jesus came Full of Grace and Truth ------

AI

God's nature is fundamentally described as being "full of grace," representing not just a quality or emotion, but a dynamic, active, and unmerited favor toward humanity that stems from His inherent goodness. Grace is considered the heart of God's character, emphasizing His desire to give life and goodness to people, even when they do not deserve it -----

In essence, God's grace is the lavish, costly, and free giving of Himself to His creation.
Good read here folks in Grace ------

What is the Definition of Grace? (According to the Bible)

Explore the meaning of the Hebrew word for grace in the Bible. God's consistent demonstration of this character trait has powerful implications for humans.

bibleproject.com

What is the Definition of Grace? (According to Scripture)​

Unpacking the Multifaceted Meaning of Grace​

By BibleProject Scholarship Team
November 9, 2023

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand.
Both heard His words.
But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell.
So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. Matthew 7:24-25

And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Matt 7:25-27

Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: Ps 127:1

 

[BBerean]

I recommend reading the book of Jude ! It seems it’s those that pervert grace that are the main problem . Seems they like to blame the law these days . Read the book of Jude it’s only 25 verses . Amen

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Grace replaces being under the law

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Romans 6:14-15​

 

[Inquisitor]

Does Grace replace the law?

There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

Jesus did preach grace. He showed mercy again and again. He welcomed sinners, ate with them, and called them near. But every time He gave grace, He also called for change. When He met the woman caught in sin, He said,
“Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)

Grace forgives, but it does not leave a person in sin.
Now we must understand something deeper. Grace did not begin when we believed. Grace began with God.
God saw the world in sin, and He did not leave us there. In His mercy, He sent His Son so that we might live.
Jesus did not come for His own comfort. He came to save. He knew the suffering that was ahead, yet He still came.
In the garden, He said, “Not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42, ASV)

This is grace in its clearest form. Jesus gave His life for us. He suffered, He was rejected, and He died so that we could be brought back to God. This was not easy. This was not light. This was love that cost everything. So we can say this plainly: Jesus is grace made visible. But if grace cost Him everything, how can it mean nothing for us?
If He gave His life to free us from sin, how can we say we are free to remain in sin?
Grace is not permission. Grace is a rescue.

Look at another example. There was a tax collector named Zacchaeus. He was a dishonest man, taking more than he should. When Jesus came to him, He did not first give a long teaching. He simply came near to him. That is grace. But what happened next?
In Luke 19:8 (ASV), Zacchaeus says: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any man, I restore fourfold.” Grace touched his heart, and his life changed immediately. He did not say, “I believe,” and continue cheating people. He turned from his sin.
And Jesus answered, “Today is salvation come to this house.” (Luke 19:9, ASV)

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV)

Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.

Jesus also gave a warning that many ignore.
In Matthew 7:21 (ASV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.”
These are people who speak His name, but do not follow His ways.

And He asks in Luke 6:46 (ASV): “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.
Jesus made it simple with a picture.

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand.
Both heard His words.
But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell.
So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Think again about what many say today.

They say grace means no obedience.
They say nothing is required.
They say a changed life is not necessary.

But if that were true, why did Jesus call people to repent? Why did He command obedience? Why did He warn of judgment?
The truth is clear.

Grace calls you out of sin, not into comfort with sin.

Think of it this way.
A man is drowning, and someone jumps into the water to save him, at great cost. That is grace.
But once he is pulled out, will he jump back in and say, “I am safe no matter what”? No. If he understands what was done for him, he will stay out of the water.

Jesus did not suffer so we could stay the same.He suffered so we could be changed.

So what is the truth?

Grace begins with God’s love.
Grace is seen in Jesus giving His life.
Grace forgives.
Grace calls.
Grace transforms.

Faith is not just words. It is a life that follows Him. As He said,
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV)

Do not accept a weak message that leaves you unchanged. Do not hold to a grace that asks nothing from you.
Come to the grace that Jesus gives. The grace that lifts you, cleans you, and leads you into a new life.

Turn from sin. Walk in His ways. Follow Him with your whole life. This is the grace that leads to life.

Grace has nothing to do with the written law.

1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even
more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.

Was Paul an obedient Christian?

Or was Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ driven by grace from start to finish?

Are we saved by grace or are we saved by our obedience?

Here is what Peter said about the reason for our salvation.

Acts 15:11
But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.

Grace is the polar opposite of the written law.

 

[Inquisitor]

And for Jews -------the Covenant of Grace did not replace the Law because they refused to accept the New Grace Covenant Jesus preached -----and they to this day remain trying to Keep and Obey the 613 laws --which they cannot keep -----and right now are a doomed Nation ----but God does save the 12 tribes of Israel in the end -- He does finally honor His Covenant with them --

A very solid post you submitted, very well done.

The only inaccuracy is shown below.

And for Jews -------the Covenant of Grace did not replace the Law because they refused to accept the New Grace Covenant Jesus preached -----and they to this day remain trying to Keep and Obey the 613 laws --which they cannot keep -----and right now are a doomed Nation ----but God does save the 12 tribes of Israel in the end -- He does finally honor His Covenant with them --

The modern nation of Israel is not under the Mosaic law.

Israel has it's own legal system not the Mosaic law.

Here is what AI had to say.

Modern Israel is a democratic state that follows a system of constitutional law, not Mosaic law.
The nation’s legal framework is based on the Knesset's legislation and Basic Laws, though certain
aspects of personal law, such as marriage and divorce, are governed by religious courts.

• Constitutional Law: Israel is a parliamentary democracy that operates under a set of "Basic Laws" that serve as a de facto constitution, governing legislative and civil matters.
• Role of Religious Law: While Israel is not a theocracy, Jewish religious law (Halakha) influences some areas, such as the regulation of marriage, divorce, and burial through rabbinical courts, and public observance of certain holidays.
• Distinction: The Mosaic law, which includes the religious and civil codes of the Torah, is not the civil law of the modern state, which has a secular legal system.

 

[GWH]

Does Grace replace the law?

There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

Jesus did preach grace. He showed mercy again and again. He welcomed sinners, ate with them, and called them near. But every time He gave grace, He also called for change. When He met the woman caught in sin, He said,
“Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)

Grace forgives, but it does not leave a person in sin.
Now we must understand something deeper. Grace did not begin when we believed. Grace began with God.
God saw the world in sin, and He did not leave us there. In His mercy, He sent His Son so that we might live.
Jesus did not come for His own comfort. He came to save. He knew the suffering that was ahead, yet He still came.
In the garden, He said, “Not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42, ASV)

This is grace in its clearest form. Jesus gave His life for us. He suffered, He was rejected, and He died so that we could be brought back to God. This was not easy. This was not light. This was love that cost everything. So we can say this plainly: Jesus is grace made visible. But if grace cost Him everything, how can it mean nothing for us?
If He gave His life to free us from sin, how can we say we are free to remain in sin?
Grace is not permission. Grace is a rescue.

Look at another example. There was a tax collector named Zacchaeus. He was a dishonest man, taking more than he should. When Jesus came to him, He did not first give a long teaching. He simply came near to him. That is grace. But what happened next?
In Luke 19:8 (ASV), Zacchaeus says: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any man, I restore fourfold.” Grace touched his heart, and his life changed immediately. He did not say, “I believe,” and continue cheating people. He turned from his sin.
And Jesus answered, “Today is salvation come to this house.” (Luke 19:9, ASV)

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV)

Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.

Jesus also gave a warning that many ignore.
In Matthew 7:21 (ASV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.”
These are people who speak His name, but do not follow His ways.

And He asks in Luke 6:46 (ASV): “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.
Jesus made it simple with a picture.

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand.
Both heard His words.
But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell.
So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Think again about what many say today.

They say grace means no obedience.
They say nothing is required.
They say a changed life is not necessary.

But if that were true, why did Jesus call people to repent? Why did He command obedience? Why did He warn of judgment?
The truth is clear.

Grace calls you out of sin, not into comfort with sin.

Think of it this way.
A man is drowning, and someone jumps into the water to save him, at great cost. That is grace.
But once he is pulled out, will he jump back in and say, “I am safe no matter what”? No. If he understands what was done for him, he will stay out of the water.

Jesus did not suffer so we could stay the same.He suffered so we could be changed.

So what is the truth?

Grace begins with God’s love.
Grace is seen in Jesus giving His life.
Grace forgives.
Grace calls.
Grace transforms.

Faith is not just words. It is a life that follows Him. As He said,
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV)

Do not accept a weak message that leaves you unchanged. Do not hold to a grace that asks nothing from you.
Come to the grace that Jesus gives. The grace that lifts you, cleans you, and leads you into a new life.

Turn from sin. Walk in His ways. Follow Him with your whole life. This is the grace that leads to life.

Christians believe the entire NT is inspired by God, so yes, Jesus preached the Gospel of grace instead of OT legalism,
saying that the only requirement is belief in Him as Messiah and Lord, which is indeed manifested as love/cooperation with GW.

The purpose of the OT laws was to lead sinners to faith in Christ, which is NOT antinomianism/cheap grace.
Christ's commandment was to love everyone aka the Golden Rule.

Moral perfection will never be attained in this earthly lifetime,
but genuine belieers desire to become mature Christians ASAP via learning GW (Eph. 4:11-15).

 

[Inquisitor]

Does Grace replace the law?

The kingdom gospel that Jesus presented the nation of Israel with was integral with the law.

Mat_5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

However, the gospel of grace for the gentiles was not based on the law;

Gal_5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

That's the way you clarify what the relationship of the law is to the Gentiles.

The Gentile nations never had the Mosaic law.

The Gentile nations never knew God.

A very good distinction between Jew and Gentile that Paul hammers in Romans and Galatians.

 

[Inquisitor]

They say grace means no obedience.

I don't think any Christian church ever said that.

You are making false accusations against 100's of millions of Christians.

You demonstrate a serious misunderstanding of the gospel of grace!

Peter said that we are saved by grace.

Acts 15: 11
But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.

Your saying the exact opposite of what Peter said.

Saved by grace through faith and that not from yourselves it's a gift from God.

Salvation from start to finish was only ever based on Christ's sacrifice for us, His death and resurrection.

The gospel comes first at all times, vassal.

 

[GWH]

That's the way you clarify what the relationship of the law is to the Gentiles.

The Gentile nations never had the Mosaic law.

The Gentile nations never knew God.

A very good distinction between Jew and Gentile that Paul hammers in Romans and Galatians.

The Gentiles did not know God via the OT, but they had general revelation (Rom. 1:20)

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Grace replaces being under the law

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Romans 6:14-15​

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom 3:31

The Gentile nations never knew God.

How would Pharaoh know that Sarai was Abram's wife if the Spirit of truth had not revealed it unto him?
Have you considered Abimelech the king of Gerar?

3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
4 But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
5 Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.
6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
Gen 20:3-6

 

[UnoiAmarah]

The Gentiles did not know God via the OT, but they had general revelation (Rom. 1:20)

Parmenides, and later Aristotle had already revealed the fundamental principle that existence cannot arise from non-existence, meaning everything requires a preceding cause.

 

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Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom 3:31

Doesn't matter, we're not under it

 

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The modern nation of Israel is not under the Mosaic law.

Israel has it's own legal system not the Mosaic law.

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Jews today follow Mosaic laws (Torah commandments or mitzvot) that are applicable outside of the ancient Temple, totaling roughly 271 positive and 365 negative precepts, though interpretation varies by denomination. Core practices include observing the Ten Commandments, keeping kosher, observing Shabbat, and honoring ethical laws like charity and respecting others.
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Key Mosaic Laws Observed Today

• Ethical & Moral Laws: These are central to daily life, including the obligation to love one's neighbor, avoid slandering, respect elders, and give charity (Tzedakah).
• Dietary Laws (Kashrut): Adhering to laws regarding permissible foods, separating meat and dairy, and consuming only ritually slaughtered meat.
• Sabbath and Holidays: Resting on the seventh day (Shabbat), lighting candles, and observing festivals like Passover, Sukkot, and Shavuot.
• Ritual Practices: Wearing fringes (tzitzit), fixing a mezuzah on doorposts, and wearing phylacteries (tefillin) during morning prayers.
• Family Purity Laws: Laws concerning marriage, forbidden relationships, and ritual immersion in a mikveh.
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Differences in Observance

• Orthodox Judaism: Holds all 613 commandments and rabbinic laws (Halakha) as divine and binding.
• Conservative Judaism: Views halakha as binding but evolving, often adjusting interpretations for modern life.
• Reform Judaism: Views the laws as non-binding, emphasizing personal choice and the ethical, rather than ritual, commandments.
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Without the Temple in Jerusalem, laws related to sacrifices, purity rituals, and certain agricultural laws within Israel cannot be fully observed

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Doesn't matter, we're not under it

So you are not under the law of truth?

Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth. Ps 31:5

Is that because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be?

 

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Does Grace replace the law?

The kingdom gospel that Jesus presented the nation of Israel with was integral with the law.

Mat_5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

However, the gospel of grace for the gentiles was not based on the law;

Gal_5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

was the law abolished? can you be lead b the Holy Spirit to follow the Law Jesus said would never pass until heaven and earth pass away?