The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[SabbathBlessing]

No you're not getting away with it that's sidetracking the issue of course I live by every word that comes out of Jesus mouth or try to anyway what you're trying to suggest is that basic Christianity has got it all wrong and that you've got some answer that after 2,000 years give or take 50 have come up with some penultimate means to an end to have a relationship with God

It's a flat-out heresy it was put down in the first century and for 2,000 years nobody has brought this back up until late in the 60s or early seventies although the SDA may have started a little bit earlier and now with the Advent of the internet it has blossomed into a complete heresy.

Enforcing the Mosaic law upon a Christian will cause them to fall away from their faith this is a Biblical statement

GAL 5:4 For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace

I do not see the law Galatians is speaking about is the Sabbath commandment - do you apply this verse to the other 9 commandments as well, if we only worship God we are cut off from God? Stealing from our neighbor we are cut off from God? Joining ourselves to the LORD we are cut off from Christ. I can see this is in our Bibles 2 Peter3:16

You are not forced to do anything Christ invites- its up to us to respond.

in the end- God will sort it all out.

Be well.

 

[legion]

I do not see the law Galatians is speaking about is the Sabbath commandment - do you apply this verse to the other 9 commandments as well, if we only worship God we are cut off from God? Stealing from our neighbor we are cut off from God? Joining ourselves to the LORD we are cut off from Christ. I can see this is in our Bibles 2 Peter3:16

You are not forced to do anything Christ invites- its up to us to respond.

in the end- God will sort it all out.

Be well.

Again I reiterate you do not understand the Mosaic law and by proxy The Ten Commandments apparently if you don't see keeping the Sabbath it's part of the Mosaic law and the part of the Ten Commandments I literally can't help you

 

[legion]

I do not see the law Galatians is speaking about is the Sabbath commandment - do you apply this verse to the other 9 commandments as well, if we only worship God we are cut off from God? Stealing from our neighbor we are cut off from God? Joining ourselves to the LORD we are cut off from Christ. I can see this is in our Bibles 2 Peter3:16

You are not forced to do anything Christ invites- its up to us to respond.

in the end- God will sort it all out.

Be well.

Christ never invites us to follow the Mosaic law

Its right in our Bibles.

Do you not see the difference and authorities of God Himself writing His own commandments and a human-being with a sinful nature writing? Since when did man become more authoritative than God?

God wrote and spoke His own commandments Exo 20:6 Exo31:18 He numbered them by design Duet 4:13 Moses didn't take any credit for them its the Testimony of God Exo31:18, the works of God Exo32:16 where God Himself tells us how to love Him Exo20:6 why His name is in every commandment in the first 4 commandments Exo20:6 they are under God's mercy/atonement seat Exo25:21 inside the ark of His covenant Exo25:16 Exo40:20 which God Himself would dwell among His people Exo25:8- it was very sacred. The earthy temple was a copy of what is in heaven Heb9:23-24 Heb8:1-5 where the ark of God's covenant is that holds the Ten Commandments Rev11:19

Why is His mercy/atonement seat so important, because below it is the Ten Commandments, the law that defines what sin is when we break why all Ten of the commandments came with the death penalty the wages of sin is death Rom6:23 His blood covers His law from the sins we commit. Removing the law sadly doesn't remove the penalty of the law, it removes His mercy on what He covers Pro28:13 Exo20:6

The law of Moses was written by Moses it came as a result of sin and was the prescription for sin (animal sacrifices) until the Seed- Christ. Animal sacrifices could never remove the stain of sin why Jesus had to sacrifice Himself for our sins. Heb10:1-18 Animal sacrifices was just a placeholder for Christ and showed us what God is doing in His heavenly Temple on our behalf as our High Priest.

The law of Moses was written by man, was places besides the ark, not inside, not under His mercy seat as a witness against thee as it held all the records for sin and the curses for breaking the law of God the Ten Commandments Deut31:24-26 why it was against man, the Ten Commandments is perfect for converting soul Psa19;7 holy, just and good Rom7:12 how could it not be it was written by God Himself!

You need to reread your Old Testament The Ten Commandments were given by God written on Stone by the Finger of God and in the coming days during their Journey God spoke to Moses and had him add 603 approximately more laws to govern his special people to show that they were special The Ten Commandments were the first part of 613 Commandments given to Moses throughout the books that he wrote the Torah I believe God was perfectly capable of using Moses's hand to write the rest of his law

 

[legion]

And I'm still waiting for a verse that you can quote tells the Gentiles to follow the Mosaic law since you made a claim that there are 55 of them

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Christ never invites us to follow the Mosaic law

The Sabbath started at Creation Exo20:11 before Jew, before Israel, before Moses

This is God speaking directly and the invitation was not to join to anyone else but to Him the invite is to everyone.

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the foreigner (Gentiles)
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

Why the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27-28

God wants to spend time with all of His children, to bless everyone Isa56:2 and sanctify everyone Eze20:12 because man can't do this themselves Isa66:17

My suggestion is to read your Bible for yourself and not let what everyone else says influence you because at the end of time we all have to stand before Jesus based what we do Ecc12:13-14 2Cor5:10

 

[legion]

I am sorry you missed it, but its an invitation to everyone to join themselves directly to the LORD. God tells us everything we need to know, the issue is not that He was not clear.

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the foreigner (Gentiles)
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

Still evidence that you can't read this is still talking about the Israelites and people who are joining them as Israelites thus no longer Gentile and there is no New Covenant so it's either his way or the highway right there

Your goal is to provide a new testament statement that requires Gentiles to follow the Mosaic law if you cannot do this it isn't there and I'm not talking about mixing and matching Old Testament statements and confusing the issue we are talking about a new testament Covenant laid out by Jesus and his apostles

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Still evidence that you can't read this is still talking about the Israelites and people who are joining them as Israelites thus no longer Gentile and there is no New Covenant so it's either his way or the highway right there

You are adding Israel there when this is the LORD speaking directly and His invite was to everyone to join themselves to Him-changing what He says doesn't make His words go away.

 

[legion]

You are adding Israel there when this is the LORD speaking directly and His invite was to everyone to join themselves to Him-changing what He says doesn't make His words go away.

No the entirety of the Ten Commandment starts out "Hear Ye Oh Israel... you might recognize this as the beginning of the Shema too which was given to Israel

 

[legion]

No the entirety of the Ten Commandment starts out "Hear Ye Oh Israel... you might recognize this as the beginning of the Shema too which was given to Israel

Then throughout the first five books of Moses god lays out another 600 plus laws that are all together at the Mosaic law you cannot separate the Ten Commandments from the Mosaic law you cannot make a gentile a Jew unless he converts to a Jew

You are only talking in circles the only people on the planet given the Mosaic law for a period of time where the Israelites with Moses at Mount Sinai not in Genesis not anywhere else if you do not understand this you do not understand the Bible and you do not understand basic theology 101

 

[legion]

You are adding Israel there when this is the LORD speaking directly and His invite was to everyone to join themselves to Him-changing what He says doesn't make His words go away.

And you have to contend with Galatians 5:4 and somehow make it sound like that's not what it was talking about which is a Hallmark of Hebrew roots in SDA theology to twist and murder scripture to suit the heretical teachings

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Then throughout the first five books of Moses god lays out another 600 plus laws that are all together at the Mosaic law you cannot separate the Ten Commandments from the Mosaic law you cannot make a gentile a Jew unless he converts to a Jew

You are only talking in circles the only people on the planet given the Mosaic law for a period of time where the Israelites with Moses at Mount Sinai not in Genesis not anywhere else if you do not understand this you do not understand the Bible and you do not understand basic theology 101

God did hence Ten Deut 4:13 Exo34:28 and after God wrote and spoke His commandments Exo31:18 the Ten Comamndment He added no more Deut5:22 if God didn't add anymore to them who are we to do so? The law of Moses was another law that served a different purposes revealed in Scripture if we allow the Bible to interpret Itself.

 

[markss]

Not at all because Christ took away that wall of separation had you kept going in the verses you quoted.

Which was after Isaiah's invitation to the gentiles. Their only way to be in covenantal relationship with God was to join Israel. This demonstrates that you misused the Scriptures.

You should not do this, and I'm not going to further enable you. It's deceptive and wrong.

Much love!

 

[SabbathBlessing]

And you have to contend with Galatians 5:4 and somehow make it sound like that's not what it was talking about which is a Hallmark of Hebrew roots in SDA theology to twist and murder scripture to suit the heretical teachings

Show me in Galatians 5 where it says the Sabbath. In fact show me one place in Galatians where it says the Sabbath. The law Paul keeps bringing up if reading in context is circumcision Gal2:3 from the book of the law that was written by Moses Gal3:10 not the Ten Commandments as if only worshipping our LORD will separate us from Him and doing what He asks us to do if we love Him Exo20:6. Its why we need to be careful with Paul not reading the context will not do anyone any favors 2Peter3:16

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Which was after Isaiah's invitation to the gentiles. Their only way to be in covenantal relationship with God was to join Israel. This demonstrates that you misused the Scriptures.

You should not do this, and I'm not going to further enable you. It's deceptive and wrong.

Much love!

Yet God directly said to join ourselves to Him and be His servant, nothing about Israel,. If you want to add your words to His and not accept His invite that is your choice. Life is about choices and in the end it will determine the path we are on Mat15:3-14

 

[markss]

Yet God directly said to join ourselves to Him and be His servant, nothing about Israel,. If you want to add your words to His and not accept His invite that is your choice. Life is about choices and in the end it will determine the path we are on Mat15:3-14

You refuse to acknowledge the context. You've proof-texted a verse contrary to it's context to support your assertion. I've shown you this clearly, therefore, I can only conclude you do this intentionally.

May God give you understanding and repentance.

 

[vassal]

The rest Jesus offers is to be tethered or yoked to Him. This tells you that the offer is one of relationship, not works. In the relationship, He is the one who supplies the strength. He is, in effect, living His life with us and through us, just as He lived His life in His own body.

This requires us to maintain relationship with Him. Here spiritual disciplines are important. Spiritual disciplines are helpful of themselves, but their real value comes when they actually lead us into the presence of God; for it is in His presence that we are truly changed from glory to glory. For example, we pray. Why? Because when we pray in secret we meet with our Father who is in secret. We fellowship. Why? Because where 2 or more are gathered in His name, He is in the midst of them.

There is a reality to the presence of God. It is real and manifest and experiential. And it is this presence we are to dwell or abide in. And as we do, Christ exercises His power in us.

I personally believe too few Christians come to know this reality. Some because they have never been taught and others because they do not seek it. But this is the rest that Jesus offers: His power at work in us rather than us living as best we can in our own strength.

This is similar to what i said in post 6718 so whi did you say ´i dont understsnd?

 

[vassal]

I was going to try and send you a message but not allowed due to privacy settings. Are you a Seventh-Day-Adventist? I like how your responses are direct and free of judgement. Some are so forceful with their replies. Thanks for being kind with your answers.

No i am not SDA i promoteur mainLy the t’en commandements, the covenant and Jesus that some know by name but not much more more, i am non denominational and still looking for a Church close to home

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You refuse to acknowledge the context. You've proof-texted a verse contrary to it's context to support your assertion. I've shown you this clearly, therefore, I can only conclude you do this intentionally.

May God give you understanding and repentance.

You really haven't you just used your own words to correct what the LORD said directly. Isa56:6 no edits needed because He told us not to Pro30:5-6

 

[Cameron143]

This is similar to what i said in post 6718 so whi did you say ´i dont understsnd?

Because if Jesus was pulling your weight, your focus would be on Him and not the law.

A sheep never worries if everything is going as it should if it is simply following the shepherd. Likewise, a Christian never worries about the law when they are following the Shepherd. The Shepherd leads them in paths of righteousness...Psalm 23:3.

If you're being led, your focus will simply be on following the Shepherd. You seem to be focusing on what the Shepherd said and not on where He is leading in the present. That's why you keep going back to what He said. You aren't following Him in the present.

 

[JimiSurvivor]

We should worship God 365/24/7 but many get devotion confused with worship. Jesus related it to obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13

Okay explain, to us the difference between devotion and worship that ordinary "unenlightened" Christians do not understand. As for your two scripture references, I have found, by experience, that you rarely if ever offer a balanced interpretation of a text so I am going to have to challenge you on those too.

Matthew 15:3-4 refers to how the Pharisees through their traditions actually ended up violating the command to honor their parents which God gave. No doubt you think this is meant for ANYONE who disagrees with you any point whatsoever. However, the passage you cited is specifically talking about God's will with respect to "honoring our parents" It has nothing to do with the matters we have been discussing. If you think any of us are trying to replace truth with tradition then you are obliged to make your case by telling us WHICH particular tradition you have in mind. Unless, you can draw that connection this is nothing more than a GRATUITOUS ASSERTION.

Mark7:7-13 is mostly about the same thing as the passage in Matthew except that this one brings up the Pharisees practice of ritual hand-washing which was not done to remove bacteria (which they knew nothing about). Rather, it was about ceremonial/ritual hand washing. Obviously all you are trying to make some point about obedience but since you fail to draw any direct connection to what any of us here have been saying no one is convinced by your scriptures.

Its right in our Bibles.

Do you not see the difference and authorities of God Himself writing His own commandments and a human-being with a sinful nature writing? Since when did man become more authoritative than God?

So, your claim is that what God wrote on stone tablets is, in some way, more truthful and more "authoritative" than the IDENTICAL WORDS Moses quoted God as saying when he recorded His words on PAPER? How do you figure? Don't the same commands (whether written on stone or paper) express the same truths? Also, since we no longer possess the original tablets but only the version Moses wrote how is anyone to read the what was recorded on stone at all? Your question about "how a human being with a sinful nature could be MORE AUTHORITATIVE than God is irrelevant since, as far as I know, nobody has claimed this. Your conclusion is just as much a straw man as your other arguments.