An interesting philosophical question. Does math have an eternal reality or is it linked the material realm? Was it necessary for humans to have math or is it something that humans invented for our own convenience, just like money. And if math was created, which form of math was created or were all forms. Historically there have been many bases to build math off of beyond our common options of either binary (base 2) or the more everyday base 10.
Missing piece in Genesis 5
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Before we get into all of this one must go back to the beginning.
In the beginning God......nothing else exsisted....created.......bara......out of nothing the heavens and earth.
This chicken and egg thing needs to be out of the equation or we could go on and on to no avail.
Gods creation included all the math, science, matter, measurements, ever discovered or to be discovered.
It also included its present and history and end.....all in 6 days. All of it is designed by God.
In the beginning God......nothing else exsisted....created.......bara......out of nothing the heavens and earth.
This chicken and egg thing needs to be out of the equation or we could go on and on to no avail.
Gods creation included all the math, science, matter, measurements, ever discovered or to be discovered.
It also included its present and history and end.....all in 6 days. All of it is designed by God.
Do some research on" Jewish inclusive reckoning”. Part of a year was considered as one year in Jewish reckoning. So someone born 5 days before 1 Nisan/Abib, and who died 50 full years and and another 1 month after that later 1 Nisan/Abib was considered to have lived 52 years (1 + 50 + 1). A newborn child was considered 1 yer old at birth, and became 2 years old after completing at its first full year of life. When scripture says Jesus was about 30 year old when He was baptised, He was actually about 29 years old by our western manner of recoding age. 30 year old men by Jewish reckoning were actually 29 years old by our reckoning.
I would disagree with your assessment of Jesus's age. Saying that he was "about 30 years of age" could simply mean that the writer is not certain just what his age was. Matthew hints that Jesus was born circa 5-4 BCE which would have made him in his early 30's by our counting when John the Baptist reportedly began his ministry.
I also was taught that according to Jewish traditions one must be 30 yrs old or more to be considered a rabbi
Also we assume that the deaths were of natural circumstances (old age) cause was not given.
Looking at the death of Moses....he seemed by appearance to be a mid life prime man. Much after the flood and such.
I bring the up because of scripture......
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
So here is another appointed event that we need to factor in.
Old age, purpose fulfilled,....what fits this narrative?
Now mind you jesus also died at a appointed time to fulfill prophecy. 3pm as the sin sacrifice commenced.
Looking at the death of Moses....he seemed by appearance to be a mid life prime man. Much after the flood and such.
I bring the up because of scripture......
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
So here is another appointed event that we need to factor in.
Old age, purpose fulfilled,....what fits this narrative?
Now mind you jesus also died at a appointed time to fulfill prophecy. 3pm as the sin sacrifice commenced.
The principle of eternal is based upon two immutable things: it has no beginning, having always existed; neither is there any variableness nor shades of turning representing that it does not change in form or substance. So theoretically, time did not exist until the beginning the expanse of space and only exists within that expanse. Even still, the expansion of space would not subjugate the eternal One to time since it is not within the expanse of physical body of space.
The first day began with the darkness that was upon the face of the expanse of space was created in the beginning.
The first day concluded when the visible light was formed in the midst of the heaven.
The measure of a day is the evening and the morning which is first day. There is no gap, the first day begins with Genesis 1:1 and concluded with Genesis 1:5. The Sun, moon and celestial bodies came into existence during this period referred to as the first day.
Interesting suggestion Genesis 1:14-18 claims that the sun, moon and stars were created on the 4th day. So which is correct, your claim that they were created on the 1st day or the Bible's claim that they were created on the 4th?
Many claim that Bible says the sun, moon, and stars were created on the 4th day. Granted, one could interpret the two great lights the earth and the moon, yet the two great were set in the firmament, being that cloud that covers the earth like a garment, our atmosphere. (See Job 38:4-9)
While the LORD divided the light from the darkness, you can't divide by 0 by 1, you can divide 1 by 0, but you get 0; you can divide 1 by 1 and you get 1. When you divide the electromagnetic field which is a body of invisible light you get a point in the midst of the field where visible light emerges. When the light emerged from the sun it would have illuminated have of the earth's surface.
If anyone wants to hold to the interpretation that the sun, moon and stars were created on the fourth day that is their prerogative, I don't because that isn't what I was taught. So I hold that the period referred unto the forth day is when the rotation of the earth, which had started off stationary in the expanse, had reached equilibrium sufficient to produce the gravitational force necessary to bind the atmosphere to the surface whereby it could follow that the moving creature that hath life could come forth from the waters and in the dry land on the earth.
Well you have an interesting view of cosmology. Is cosmology your field, or are you following the thought of someone knowledgeable in the field or is this just something that fits with a predetermined understanding of reality?
It is important to remember that the easiest way to explain things is to decide what it true and then look for data to support the presumed belief. The far better way it to look at the data and let the data determine what is true, even if that is uncomfortable.
You could say it my hypothesis or you could call it my prophecy of scripture, it is simply what I understand of what I believe the Holy Ghost taught me.
It doesn't make me uncomfortable if someone doesn't think it is what was meant by the scriptures, in fact I know that most won't.
Of course you aren't uncomfortable, that is one of the benefits of taking the easy path. You decide in advance what is acceptable, look long enough to find support and then get to relax. Now when you look at all the data first, you might find that there is no way that the answer you want fits the data and then you must decide if you will go with the uncomfortable answer or ignore what you have learned by your own study. This is where it gets uncomfortable.
So what is this data you speak of that you believe disproves my interpretation. Are you a flat earther? Or do you subscribe to the cosmic egg theory.? It doesn't make me uncomfortable if someone disagrees, obviously it seems something is upsetting you so either the data doesn't fit your answer or you have some other interpretation that you don't want to say, are you ashamed of it?
So what do you think that light was that God saw? You know you can ask God and it shall be given you. James 1:5
Back in the late 1960's some scientists monitoring radiation from the universe detected some static that they attributed to pigeon droppings because it did not fit with what they were used to detecting. Once they ruled out pigeon droppings they ran more investigations. What they eventually determined was that what they were detecting fit with what would be expected to remain from the "Big Bang" creation on the universe. That fits with everything else discovered by modern cosmology and does not require unsupported assumptions about when the earth and sun came into existence and the earth being stationary for a period of time.
It also allows for multiple creation stories to be present in the Bible, Genesis 1 and 2 differ, which was created first, humans or animals is one exampole, and there seems to be a third referenced later on, but the third is easy to miss. unless you know other ancient Near Eastern creation stories.
That would seem so insignificant considering people were living to be over 800 years old back then.
They were not thinking in terms of months and days back then, anymore than a billionaire would count his pennies.
So are you saying you subscribe to the"cosmic egg" myth or the Big Bang? That is what I am perceiving what you are expressing. I just want to be sure.
No such thinking was existing during the days of Genesis 5.
The calendar based life only came years later with the Law of Moses.
Problem is...
When Christians are not getting sound doctrine to think and grow with?
Sound doctrine which is to be the food for their spiritual understanding?
We will suffer with a supernatural emptiness.
And, when they are trying to fill that emptiness?
Some will try to amuse themselves with subjective speculations to pass the time.
When only truth can fill that deficiency?
The only righteous solution is would be God leading a believer to finding a competent pastor-teacher.
BTW...
I am nothing special.
We all have been there at some point in our lives.
So, if Jesus was approaching 30 years old (about 30 years old by Jewish inclusive reckoning) when He was baptised, He could quite possibly have become 30 years old during the 40 days testing in the desert, and entered into His ministry in the power of the Holy Spirit after having reached 30 years old. That would be coherent with both the wording of scripture and the practice of the Jewish culture.