Some thoughts on the Sabbath...

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BBerean said:
You do not understand the law works or why it was given . It was given to school sinners to Christ as you don’t see it yes you have a different gospel it’s evident ! And not the gospel of
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No that is what we now see as Christians

Once you tear apart this argument below, I continue my response. You inability to see the gospel message and understand the old testament is both disturbing, and dangerous.

Romans 10:4: "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes" (ESV).

2 Corinthians 3:11: "For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory" (ESV).

2 Corinthians 3:13: "...Moses... put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end" (ESV).

Hebrews 8:13: "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" (ESV).

Hebrews 7:12: "For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well" (ESV).

Galatians 3:24-25: "So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came... But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian" (ESV).

Colossians 2:14: "By canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross" (ESV).

Ephesians 2:15: "By abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances..." (ESV).

Key Concepts Regarding the End of the Law
Fading/Obsolete: The Old Covenant is described as growing old and vanishing.
Fulfilled: Jesus did not abolish the law's purpose but fulfilled it, meaning its role as a required legal code is complete.

"Dead to the Law": Believers are considered dead to the law through the body of Christ, freeing them from its obligation.

"Not Under Law": Christians are led by the Spirit and not under the Mosaic

If these verses don't add up to your belief then you need to change your belief
 
legion said:
Love God, and neighbor...
this is the greatest commandment. By doing this you fulfill the entire law.

do the will of my father....
JOHN 6:14 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day"




Post scripture saying it's valid, active and binding on gentiles christians

No where does it say that in the New covenant. In fact in the one place where the Ten Commandments are referenced get mysteriously leaves out the keep the Sabbath requirement. Jesus Paid the death penalty of the Mosaic law

Sabbath rest is now at any time in Jesus there is no set day and even if there was unless you're Jewish it doesn't apply to you

Sin is entirely possible. The law does still exist it's in our Bibles and as a Christian we use this as an historical example of how God was trying to teach us that we needed a savior


This is the mistake that Hebrew roots and Seventh-Day Adventists make and that is this: if your version of understanding is true then nobody ever sinned prior to Moses receiving the Mosaic law this is ridiculous just on the surface.

And of course it requires that you understand what the Mosaic law is who it was to what it was for and its scope.

The Mosaic law is a subset of God's laws it does not define all sin it only defines a certain set so that Israel whom the Mosaic law was given to would Stand Out Among the people and also understand how to perform the ceremonial rights to worship God.

This made Israel look separate from all the other nations

And I keep seeing this in many threads the only law a Christian follows is love God and love thy neighbor this is the law of Liberty or the law that Christ brought about by his resurrection all Mosaic law and Covenant requirements are fulfilled in this way the Mosaic law has ended it still exists but it is not binding and active we know it still exists because it's in our Bible Christians included so it will never die it will simply do what Paul explains which is Fade Into Obscurity.

by doing this one thing, love, there is no need for a 7th Day Sabbath as it is present everyday the Bible actually explains this if you would really read it
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No need for a seventh day Sabbath? Here is your error it’s obedience to the The Lord . His DAY you have no need to honour him seems that’s what you are saying . Jesus kept it and taught it and you don’t need it ? I keep it and get blessed many more times than going to any church in my life ! Amen I hope you understand some day ! God bless as you find the truth that will set you free .
 
legion said:
No that is what we now see as Christians

Once you tear apart this argument below, I continue my response. You inability to see the gospel message and understand the old testament is both disturbing, and dangerous.

Romans 10:4: "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes" (ESV).

2 Corinthians 3:11: "For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory" (ESV).

2 Corinthians 3:13: "...Moses... put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end" (ESV).

Hebrews 8:13: "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" (ESV).

Hebrews 7:12: "For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well" (ESV).

Galatians 3:24-25: "So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came... But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian" (ESV).

Colossians 2:14: "By canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross" (ESV).

Ephesians 2:15: "By abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances..." (ESV).

Key Concepts Regarding the End of the Law
Fading/Obsolete: The Old Covenant is described as growing old and vanishing.
Fulfilled: Jesus did not abolish the law's purpose but fulfilled it, meaning its role as a required legal code is complete.

"Dead to the Law": Believers are considered dead to the law through the body of Christ, freeing them from its obligation.

"Not Under Law": Christians are led by the Spirit and not under the Mosaic

If these verses don't add up to your belief then you need to change your belief
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Yes we are not under the law , but also we do not break it either that’s sin . Jesus said he came not to abolish the law . Heaven and earth will pass away before that happens. Romans Paul says we establish the law ! Not break it . Breaking the law is Sin . I hope that helps !
 
BBerean said:
No need for a seventh day Sabbath? Here is your error it’s obedience to the The Lord . His DAY you have no need to honour him seems that’s what you are saying . Jesus kept it and taught it and you don’t need it ? I keep it and get blessed many more times than going to any church in my life ! Amen I hope you understand some day ! God bless as you find the truth that will set you free .
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No nowhere in the New Testament is that ever taught
 
BBerean said:
No need for a seventh day Sabbath? Here is your error it’s obedience to the The Lord . His DAY you have no need to honour him seems that’s what you are saying . Jesus kept it and taught it and you don’t need it ? I keep it and get blessed many more times than going to any church in my life ! Amen I hope you understand some day ! God bless as you find the truth that will set you free .
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No, what he's saying is you should honor The Lord every day.
 
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BBerean said:
Yes we are not under the law , but also we do not break it either that’s sin . Jesus said he came not to abolish the law . Heaven and earth will pass away before that happens. Romans Paul says we establish the law ! Not break it . Breaking the law is Sin . I hope that helps !
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He fulfilled it.... it's over.. the Mosaic law defines a subset of sins... it is not the definition if sin or you would be saying no sin exists before the Mosaic law. It was not ever binding on gentiles.

There is no more active Mosaic law, you don't have sacrifices, a temple, levitical priest ... Jesus paid for my sins.

You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace" (Galatians 5:4)
 
BBerean said:
Did Jesus keep the Sabbath and correct the Pharisees? I’m surprised you don’t understand that .
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Okay so by that definition we're also supposed to be Carpenters as well just because he did it doesn't mean he's telling us to do it he was a Jew that's why he did it it was his custom as well as most of the Nations
 
legion said:
He fulfilled it.... it's over.. the Mosaic law defines a subset of sins... it is not the definition if sin or you would be saying no sin exists before the Mosaic law. It was not ever binding on gentiles.

There is no more active Mosaic law, you don't have sacrifices, a temple, levitical priest ... Jesus paid for my sins.

You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace" (Galatians 5:4)
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We are justified by Christ Jesus the Lord . Sinning is breaking the law no matter who you are . The law was given because of transgressions that happened before the law was given to Moses . The law is to school sinners Jew first then Gentile . How did Ruth a gentile get into the linage of the seed of Abraham? Think about it ! God bless as you learn truth that sets you free !
 
BBerean said:
Yes we are not under the law , but also we do not break it either that’s sin . Jesus said he came not to abolish the law . Heaven and earth will pass away before that happens. Romans Paul says we establish the law ! Not break it . Breaking the law is Sin . I hope that helps !
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If you are not under the Law, then you can't break it. Think about it logically.
 
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BBerean said:
We are justified by Christ Jesus the Lord . Sinning is breaking the law no matter who you are . The law was given because of transgressions that happened before the law was given to Moses . The law is to school sinners Jew first then Gentile . How did Ruth a gentile get into the linage of the seed of Abraham? Think about it ! God bless as you learn truth that sets you free !
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Hopefully pondering Hebrews 7:11-10:1 will enable you to distinguish between optional Levitical laws and the Holy Spirit’s eternal moral love.
 
BBerean said:
No need for a seventh day Sabbath? Here is your error it’s obedience to the The Lord . His DAY you have no need to honour him seems that’s what you are saying . Jesus kept it and taught it and you don’t need it ? I keep it and get blessed many more times than going to any church in my life ! Amen I hope you understand some day ! God bless as you find the truth that will set you free .
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Israel was the covenant nation that was under the codified law, fact (Exodus 24).

Where as the Gentiles were under a different covenant than the Jews.

The law of Noah consists of seven commandments given to mankind in general
after the flood (Genesis 9:1-17). This was a covenant between God and mankind
in general.

These Noahide laws serve as a foundational, universal moral framework for a civilized world, intended for all people as descendants of Noah.

These laws are distinct from the 613 Commandments of the Torah, which are specifically binding on the Jewish people.

The Noahide law was moral and universal where as the ten commandments were
strictly for Israel.

Were the Gentile nations given the Torah?

No, only Israel was in a blood covenant to obey the Torah.
 
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Inquisitor said:
Israel was the covenant nation that was under the codified law, fact (Exodus 24).
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But literal Israel has become spiritual Israel. You are part of the family of God through Jesus Christ. As a Child of God it is no longer physical but Spiritual. It is about the heart.

The biblical definition of a Jew and an heir to the promises of God is based on an inward transformation of the heart through faith in Jesus Christ, rather than on literal physical descent.

Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

This transition from a literal nation to a spiritual body ensures that the covenant promises made to the patriarchs are fulfilled through a holy, commandment-keeping people who represent God’s kingdom on earth.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Are you Abraham's seed?
Rom 9:6-8
Gal 3:16-29
Eph 2:12-14
 
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The sabbath was made for mankind.
Before sin, God gave us the sabbath.
God blessed it and sanctified it.

When did God take off the blessing?
When did God remove the sanctity?

When did God say we should not keep it holy?
 
TMS said:
The sabbath was made for mankind.
Before sin, God gave us the sabbath.
God blessed it and sanctified it.

When did God take off the blessing?
When did God remove the sanctity?

When did God say we should not keep it holy?
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Colossians 2:12-17​

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
 
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BBerean said:
We are justified by Christ Jesus the Lord . Sinning is breaking the law no matter who you are . The law was given because of transgressions that happened before the law was given to Moses . The law is to school sinners Jew first then Gentile . How did Ruth a gentile get into the linage of the seed of Abraham? Think about it ! God bless as you learn truth that sets you free !
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You really need to have some classes on theology or at least the Christian faith because there are so many things that you are misunderstanding I can't in nor will I attempt to correct them all it'll just make you Furious and probably upset me as well
TMS said:
But literal Israel has become spiritual Israel. You are part of the family of God through Jesus Christ. As a Child of God it is no longer physical but Spiritual. It is about the heart.
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The land and promises of the Mosaic covenant were exclusively to the physical NATION of Israel. Not to a spiritual one.

In God's kingdom there is neither jew nor gentile. Christians don't inherit the rights over the physical land of Israel (but spiritualy we inhierit the promised land.... salvation, access to heaven)
 
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BBerean said:
Salvation comes through the Jews to the Gentiles, it’s not a separate gospel to the Gentiles , if so it’s a false gospel . Read what apostle Paul says not doctrines of men . Gods way of Salvation is only one way .
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So your saying salvation is not for the jews? Don't understand your reply.🤔
 
GWH said:
Hopefully pondering Hebrews 7:11-10:1 will enable you to distinguish between optional Levitical laws and the Holy Spirit’s eternal moral love.
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How do you distinguish between the laws. Hebs 7-10 is helpful, I agree.

I see many laws but the at the end of the day there are two laws.
The laws that are to be kept today.
The laws that were for a time and are not to be kept today.

2 laws

One law distinguishes sin. Points out sin.
One law deals with sin and points to the remedy for sin.
 
legion said:
The land and promises of the Mosaic covenant were exclusively to the physical NATION of Israel. Not to a spiritual one.

In God's kingdom there is neither jew nor gentile. Christians don't inherit the rights over the physical land of Israel (but spiritualy we inhierit the promised land.... salvation, access to heaven)
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Spiritualy we inherit the promised land and spiritual we inherit many other promises. We should not say we are not Israelites. By adoption we are Israelites in Christ
All one in Christ...

So the Gentile argument used to say the 10 commandments are not for us, does not apply.
As spiritual Jews we should obey the law.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Inwardly and spiritually it applies to us.
 
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