If Jesus returns in 2030
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Why are you so triggered? I've been following military conflicts daily for over 10 years, so I have a pretty good idea what countries' capabilities are. China is massively growing their military and has capabilites that the US doesn't even have. Like AI drone swarms. It sounds like you are the one who is worried.
Are you not aware of Daniel's prophecy given him by God?
11And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
from the time the daily sacrifice is stopped or prevented, there will be 1290 days until Christ returns.
The Jews have been attempting to begin the daily sacrifice for years, they have every thing now to offer it
it is commonly held the Tribulation begins the last 3 1/2 years before Christ returns
the daily sacrifice is stopped 30 days before the last 3 1/2 years (1260 days) before the return
and if you believe God's prophet, Ezekiel, when Christ has returned and the third Temple is built, sacrifices will begin.
Read starting in chapter 40.
Yes, but that's a peacetime army. A mobilized army of 200 million would only be 14% of their population
"Military conflicts", which China has had none over 40 years, while the US has never stopped being engaged in military conflicts, and you claim you have a "pretty good idea" of "what countries' capabilities are"?
The US hasn't been engaged in drone warfare for those 40 years until recently. Their missile defense stockpiles are nearly depleted, and they can't replenish them quickly. Missiles and drones are what warfare has become in the 21st century and the US is not leading the way. Also the US hasn't fought against any peer, or even near-peer, opponents in those 40 years. It can't even bring non-near-peer Iran to heel.
War is the last resolve when there's no deplomatic or economic way to settle conflicts. If you're "fighting" a peer in military conflict, you've lost already.
That becomes the huge weakness in your, and many other people's logic about Jesus being crucified on a Thursday. If one cannot find a Thursday that meets the requirements, it greatly weakens the argument. It would have to be in the first half of the 30's or Pilate's role is lost for one thing. Going back into the late 20's one gets into the problem of when John the Baptist might have been arrested which occurred before Jesus began his Galilean ministry, as it is hard to justify J the B's arrest much before August of 29 if we believe the gospels. Thus, there appears to be only 6 years possible, and in two of them Passover and the Sabbath coincide. I would have to check out the other four years, something I have never bothered to do as I accept a Friday crucifixion.
Do you accept Jesus's fulfilment of Lamb Selection day on Nisan 10? And His fulfilment of that day on Palm Sunday? If so, then it must be Thursday, since Nisan 14 would be Thursday. Friday is a misunderstanding of "High Sabbath", it was not necessarily a regular Sabbath, but any Jewish Holiday.
In the same context, same speech, no one knows the day or the hour, but we ought to know his coming when it's NEAR. For both to be true, the only reasonable conclusion is that we can expect an approximate time when the signs are observed, but not the exact time.
“Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!" (Matt. 24:32-33)
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be." (Matt. 24:36-37)
Armies aren't just raised overnight. And large forces in this day and age are easily targeted. Modern warfare is fought from central command centers. By the time you hear the hum, you're dead.
Your issue is with God, not me. The bible says a 200 million man army. I believe it
I have no issues with God or the Bible; only men's understanding of it.
"The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number."
If this is the verse you're referring to, then the 200 million would just be mechanized units, no? We would need the ratio of tank to mechanized to walking infantry (typically 1:1:1) and then the average number of infantry in each tank and APC. Assuming 3 infantry per tank and 9 infantry per APC. But let's assume no tanks and simply large trucks (they have to be mounted, right?) that can carry 30 troops per. We would need over 6.5million large trucks to transport 200million troops.
According to Google, China has a total of 144,000 (that's taking the highest guess for each category) vehicles that include tanks, APC, mechanized (artillery, radar, etc.) and logistic (jeeps and trucks) vehicles. The gap between 6.5million and 144,000 is quite large. Now, there are (by estimates) about 450million TOTAL vehicles in all of China. If militia are formed from the rice patty workers and gen. pop. they could reach those numbers.
This is all to stay true to the black and white of the text.
FYI
I don't agree with this reasoning. It says troops, but you're assuming mechanized vehicles
KJV "16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them."
NKJV "Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them."
NIV "The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number."
KJV "16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them."
NKJV "Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them."
NIV "The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number."
Horsemen = one man per horse, so 200 million men. That's assuming a myriad means 10,000 and is not figurative language meaning something else.
Hi there, this is a very interesting take. Sometimes I wonder too when Jesus will return and sometimes I wish it would be right now. However, I have put my faith on what is in the Bible and what God says about the Son of Man returning. it says in Matthew 24:36 and Mark 13:32, "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Even Jesus himself doesn't know, he is waiting for his Father to tell him. And since I believe that God is creator over all things then I trust his timing. Maybe he will return in 2030, maybe not, even still I trust him and will do my best to be "alert and of sober mind".
Oh, but if we take it literally we'll need a new kind of "horse".
"And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone. 18By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed—by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which came out of their mouths. 19For their power is in their mouth and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents, having heads; and with them they do harm."