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Sabbatarians, including SDA, insist that the day to worship God is Saturday. Strictly speaking, it is Friday evening to Saturday morning. They claim that the early churches met on the Sabbath and that the Roman Catholic organisation introduced Sunday worship. Both claims are false.

There is historical and Biblical evidence that refutes the Sabbatarian claim. Sunday is the first day of the week and the day that he Lord Jesus rose from the dead. The Apostle John is the only direct statement regarding the Lord's day, Revelation 1:10.

Nowhere does it state in the NT that believers met strictly on the Sabbath. Believers met on the first day of the week:

"On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Since Paul was ready to leave the next day, he talked to them and kept on speaking until midnight." Acts 20:7

"On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside a portion of his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will be needed." 1 Corinthians 16:2

Lord Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man. The Lord's day is just that, the “Kyriake hemera,” i.e a day belonging to the Lord.

It is interesting that the emphasis on the Sabbath for Israel was as a day of rest. Israel was fundamentally an agricultural society. 6 days of hard work was to be followed by complete rest. The "sabbath rest" for the believer is no longer physical. It is entering into the finished work of Christ on the cross, allowing Him to live out His life in and through us. Lord Jesus is no longer limited by a physical body. He dwells in the heart of every believer to lead, direct and empower us to do God's will.

As humans, we are still restricted by our bodies. My body reminds me of this every time I get out of bed. I have a slight ache or pain here and there incurred simply by sleeping. Ridiculous. Everyone needs a day of rest. And in modern times when work is so varied, rest can be different things to different people. Someone tied to a computer all day should get out and about and enjoy physical activity. A builder or a bricklayer will want to have a physical rest. Godly common sense is a great asset!

It was not Rome that introduced the "Lord's Day" as the time for believers to meet. Rome did formalise it. It was common practice long before Constantine.
 
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One might see the small group of believers in Rome as being mostly Jewish as Priscilla and Aquila are there. One might see them having difficulty with abandoning Sabbath observance as this was a signature observation for Israel. This is why perhaps Paul wrote;

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
 
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I'm surprised this discussion still actually occurs between Christians
Paul sheds light on the whole subject
For me
Everyday is a Sabbath
Everyday is Christmas
And
Good Friday
And Easter and Pentecost
This keeps everything
Simple
 
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timf said:
One might see the small group of believers in Rome as being mostly Jewish as Priscilla and Aquila are there. One might see them having difficulty with abandoning Sabbath observance as this was a signature observation for Israel. This is why perhaps Paul wrote;

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
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Yes, Jewish believers were often Sabbath observant. That is not the point. There was no need for them to be, but if they chose to, that is fine. If Sabbatarians want to meet on the Jewish Sabbath, that's up to them. I do object to their false doctrine that Sunday observance is the mark of the beast. They have zero evidence for it. The opposite is true, God's word does not impose the Sabbath on believers.

Colossians 2:16 disproves SDA Sabbath doctrine. Let no one fall for it. God does not give brownie points for Sabbath attendance. It is the fruit of the Spirit and the works initiated and empowered by Christ that count for eternity.
 
MicaelOhagan said:
I'm surprised this discussion still actually occurs between Christians
Paul sheds light on the whole subject
For me
Everyday is a Sabbath
Everyday is Christmas
And
Good Friday
And Easter and Pentecost
This keeps everything
Simple
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Paul warned that these days would come.
1 Timothy 4:1
"Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons......"
 
Very true, if one looks deeper into what many people claim proves the Sabbath was changed using this verse, you can find Gods truth..

Revelation 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

So what is the Lord's day? Lets look carefully in the Bible:

The "Lord's day" according to scripture, is the 7th day, the sabbath day of the Lord which He made for man.

Genesis 2:3,4
3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Exodus 16:25
And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field.

Leviticus 23:3
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Deuteronomy 5:14
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

These clearly say the seventh day is the sabbath of 'the LORD thy God' clearly the LORD's day and we see what calls the Sabbath..

Isaiah 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

It is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, not Moses' sabbath, or the Jews sabbath, or anyone Else's sabbath.

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

We see the same.

Deuteronomy 5:12-13
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Again the same.

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

It was not 'Moses' sabbath.

Leviticus 19:1-2
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. 3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 26:2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Isaiah 56:4-6
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Ezekiel 20:12-13
12Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. 13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Ezekiel 20:16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols.

Ezekiel 20:19-24
19I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. 23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; 24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

Ezekiel 22:8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths.

Ezekiel 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Ezekiel 23:38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

So the Lord claims the sabbath as His very own, my Sabbath. It is a day that clearly is the Lord's day. Sunday, or the first day of the week is never blessed, sanctified or called a holy convocation in the scriptures. There is no such thing as 'Sunday sacredness' in all of Scripture, except as a ;tradition of man' that Christ warns us against. What we see is from Gods Word, but yet if it goes against peoples preconceived notions, it seems many Christians have been told that Gods Word does not apply or is set aside, and are following another...
 
I just appeared to receive a response to my text from an undeclared person
Basically implying that I'm being mislead by an evil spirit!!
Am I reading this correctly
If so
I forgive you and ask The heavenly Father to do the same
It's a very dangerous position to take
Reddogs said:
Very true, if one looks deeper into what many people claim proves the Sabbath was changed using this verse, you can find Gods truth..

Revelation 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

So what is the Lord's day? Lets look carefully in the Bible:

The "Lord's day" according to scripture, is the 7th day, the sabbath day of the Lord which He made for man.

Genesis 2:3,4
3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Exodus 16:25
And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field.

Leviticus 23:3
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

Deuteronomy 5:14
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

These clearly say the seventh day is the sabbath of 'the LORD thy God' clearly the LORD's day and we see what calls the Sabbath..

Isaiah 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

It is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, not Moses' sabbath, or the Jews sabbath, or anyone Else's sabbath.

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

We see the same.

Deuteronomy 5:12-13
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Again the same.

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

It was not 'Moses' sabbath.

Leviticus 19:1-2
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. 3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 26:2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Isaiah 56:4-6
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Ezekiel 20:12-13
12Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. 13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Ezekiel 20:16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols.

Ezekiel 20:19-24
19I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. 23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; 24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

Ezekiel 22:8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths.

Ezekiel 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Ezekiel 23:38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

So the Lord claims the sabbath as His very own, my Sabbath. It is a day that clearly is the Lord's day. Sunday, or the first day of the week is never blessed, sanctified or called a holy convocation in the scriptures. There is no such thing as 'Sunday sacredness' in all of Scripture, except as a ;tradition of man' that Christ warns us against. What we see is from Gods Word, but yet if it goes against peoples preconceived notions, it seems many Christians have been told that Gods Word does not apply or is set aside, and are following another...
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Oh my
Are you actually human
What I just received was an oracle
I don't think for one second this is how scripture is meant to be "used"
Paul is clear
And effectively says
Each to his own
It's not a matter worth division
 
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God would have punished everyone who holds their Sabbath on other days besides Saturday, like He punished the Jews to correct them.

But He hasn't done this because it's not a sin. Jesus is the true sabbath rest. Saturday is a mere shadow.


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Sounds like you see with your heart
But try not to be too hard on the ones who currently hold a firm view on this matter
If my brothers or sisters feel the need to take a firm stance on this issue
Agree to disagree in Love
Better still
Don't get drawn into debate in the first place
I wish I was as wise as my words lol
 
Anyone interested in completely changing the subject and discussing
The taming of the tongue
Or to be more honestly specific
The attempts at taming the tongue
 
MicaelOhagan said:
Anyone interested in completely changing the subject and discussing
The taming of the tongue
Or to be more honestly specific
The attempts at taming the tongue
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To change the subject, just start a new thread and ignore this discussion thread if you find it unpleasant.


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
God would have punished everyone who holds their Sabbath on other days besides Saturday, like He punished the Jews to correct them.

But He hasn't done this because it's not a sin. Jesus is the true sabbath rest. Saturday is a mere shadow.


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There is a punishment coming...
Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
 
Gideon300 said:
Sabbatarians, including SDA, insist that the day to worship God is Saturday. Strictly speaking, it is Friday evening to Saturday morning. They claim that the early churches met on the Sabbath and that the Roman Catholic organisation introduced Sunday worship. Both claims are false.

There is historical and Biblical evidence that refutes the Sabbatarian claim. Sunday is the first day of the week and the day that he Lord Jesus rose from the dead. The Apostle John is the only direct statement regarding the Lord's day, Revelation 1:10.

Nowhere does it state in the NT that believers met strictly on the Sabbath. Believers met on the first day of the week:

"On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Since Paul was ready to leave the next day, he talked to them and kept on speaking until midnight." Acts 20:7

"On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside a portion of his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will be needed." 1 Corinthians 16:2

Lord Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man. The Lord's day is just that, the “Kyriake hemera,” i.e a day belonging to the Lord.

It is interesting that the emphasis on the Sabbath for Israel was as a day of rest. Israel was fundamentally an agricultural society. 6 days of hard work was to be followed by complete rest. The "sabbath rest" for the believer is no longer physical. It is entering into the finished work of Christ on the cross, allowing Him to live out His life in and through us. Lord Jesus is no longer limited by a physical body. He dwells in the heart of every believer to lead, direct and empower us to do God's will.

As humans, we are still restricted by our bodies. My body reminds me of this every time I get out of bed. I have a slight ache or pain here and there incurred simply by sleeping. Ridiculous. Everyone needs a day of rest. And in modern times when work is so varied, rest can be different things to different people. Someone tied to a computer all day should get out and about and enjoy physical activity. A builder or a bricklayer will want to have a physical rest. Godly common sense is a great asset!

It was not Rome that introduced the "Lord's Day" as the time for believers to meet. Rome did formalise it. It was common practice long before Constantine.
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Good post!
Post #6 needs to catch up.
 
Gideon300 said:
Sabbatarians, including SDA, insist that the day to worship God is Saturday. Strictly speaking, it is Friday evening to Saturday morning. They claim that the early churches met on the Sabbath and that the Roman Catholic organisation introduced Sunday worship. Both claims are false.

There is historical and Biblical evidence that refutes the Sabbatarian claim. Sunday is the first day of the week and the day that he Lord Jesus rose from the dead. The Apostle John is the only direct statement regarding the Lord's day, Revelation 1:10.

Nowhere does it state in the NT that believers met strictly on the Sabbath. Believers met on the first day of the week:

"On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Since Paul was ready to leave the next day, he talked to them and kept on speaking until midnight." Acts 20:7

"On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside a portion of his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will be needed." 1 Corinthians 16:2

Lord Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man. The Lord's day is just that, the “Kyriake hemera,” i.e a day belonging to the Lord.

It is interesting that the emphasis on the Sabbath for Israel was as a day of rest. Israel was fundamentally an agricultural society. 6 days of hard work was to be followed by complete rest. The "sabbath rest" for the believer is no longer physical. It is entering into the finished work of Christ on the cross, allowing Him to live out His life in and through us. Lord Jesus is no longer limited by a physical body. He dwells in the heart of every believer to lead, direct and empower us to do God's will.

As humans, we are still restricted by our bodies. My body reminds me of this every time I get out of bed. I have a slight ache or pain here and there incurred simply by sleeping. Ridiculous. Everyone needs a day of rest. And in modern times when work is so varied, rest can be different things to different people. Someone tied to a computer all day should get out and about and enjoy physical activity. A builder or a bricklayer will want to have a physical rest. Godly common sense is a great asset!

It was not Rome that introduced the "Lord's Day" as the time for believers to meet. Rome did formalise it. It was common practice long before Constantine.
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God's Sabbath is from sundown Friday night until sundown Saturday.
God's 24 hours are from sundown to sundown. God's 24 hours began in darkness and grow into the light.
The catholic's changed it to midnight, so a man's day begins in darkness and ends in darkness.
 
memberofthebride said:
God's Sabbath is from sundown Friday night until sundown Saturday.
God's 24 hours are from sundown to sundown. God's 24 hours began in darkness and grow into the light.
The catholic's changed it to midnight, so a man's day begins in darkness and ends in darkness.
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I know what is considered a day in scripture. The sabbath is irrelevant to me because I am not a Jew.
 
GWH said:
Yes, and now it should be irrelevant for physical Jews, too, except with the meaning in Hebrews 3:7-4:11.
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Some Jews are atheists, some are secular, some are orthodox and some are Messianic. One size does not fit all. And it's nobody's business but theirs.

"What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside." 1 Corinthians 5:12

I do not object to believers meeting on the day of the week of their choosing. I do object to the Sabbatarian lie that the sabbath is mandatory for all believers.
 
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