Proverbs 21 v 31~ The horse is made ready for the day of battle, but the victory belongs to the Lord.
Geneticists are working overtime.Oh, but if we take it literally we'll need a new kind of "horse".
"And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone. 18By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed—by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which came out of their mouths. 19For their power is in their mouth and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents, having heads; and with them they do harm."
Oh, that makes me think of the one enemy that terrified the Romans. A case of "Commander our legions are being attacked by them, we outnumber them 4 to 1." So, the Roman commander orders, "Only 4 to 1? Retreat, maybe some of us can survive"Oh, but if we take it literally we'll need a new kind of "horse".
"And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone. 18By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed—by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which came out of their mouths. 19For their power is in their mouth and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents, having heads; and with them they do harm."
I believe you're grossly and disastrously misinformed. Show me what kind of army fits the description of those locusts, plz. Show me any kind of horseman that can breathe fire. What more closely fits this description is drones or other automatic weapons of war, not infantry.Your issue is with God, not me. The bible says a 200 million man army. I believe it
‘On the fourteenth day of the first month (Nisan 14) is the Passover of the Lord. And on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast; unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. On the first day (Nisan 15) you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work." (Num. 28:16-18)That becomes the huge weakness in your, and many other people's logic about Jesus being crucified on a Thursday. If one cannot find a Thursday that meets the requirements, it greatly weakens the argument. It would have to be in the first half of the 30's or Pilate's role is lost for one thing. Going back into the late 20's one gets into the problem of when John the Baptist might have been arrested which occurred before Jesus began his Galilean ministry, as it is hard to justify J the B's arrest much before August of 29 if we believe the gospels. Thus, there appears to be only 6 years possible, and in two of them Passover and the Sabbath coincide. I would have to check out the other four years, something I have never bothered to do as I accept a Friday crucifixion.
Or it can't, if Nissan 10 fell on Palm Sunday.I agree, but Nissan 15 can fall on a Sabbath day anyway, as it does in 30 and 33 CE
True, but calculations can be made to determine if it did. But I know of no plausible year where that was the case in the early 30's CE. Therein lies the issue.Or it can't, if Nissan 10 fell on Palm Sunday.
Therefore no one knows the exact time. You think you've figured it out, but you're wrong. Good Friday is just Catholic tradition based on a misunderstanding of "high sabbath".True, but calculations can be made to determine if it did. But I know of no plausible year where that was the case in the early 30's CE. Therein lies the issue.
The gospel accounts may not be clear, the dates of the feasts in the OT are crystal clear - Nissan 10, Lamb Selection; 14, Passover; 15, Unleavened Bread. If Jesus got the date wrong, then he was not the messiah. You demand calculation, see the underlined part below. Please note that a Jewish calendar day starts and ends at 6 pm, each also consists of 12 hour night and 12 hour daytime, and Jesus prophesized to rise on the third day, i.e. within the third 12-hour daytime, which means three whole 12-hour nights, since night proceeds daytime. To fit this, it could only be Thursday.Except the gospel accounts do not clearly reference which day things were, and as a Galilean, Jesus might well have followed the unofficial calendar which was two days off from the official calendar. That would mean that the Last Supper on Wednesday was a Passover meal and the official Passover began on Friday evening.
Remember, enters Jerusalem with palms waving on Sunday, curses the fig tree on Monday, the fig tree is withered on Tuesday, disciples are told to make arrangements for the Last Supper on Wednesday, and the meal sounds a lot like a Passover Feast.
Unless you can find calculations to support your dating, I am not interested in your attempts to get around the problem. I am aware of it and some who support it, but the dates do not fit when all the factors are brought in, at least not for any year in the early 30's that I know of.
That becomes the huge weakness in your, and many other people's logic about Jesus being crucified on a Thursday. If one cannot find a Thursday that meets the requirements, it greatly weakens the argument. It would have to be in the first half of the 30's or Pilate's role is lost for one thing. Going back into the late 20's one gets into the problem of when John the Baptist might have been arrested which occurred before Jesus began his Galilean ministry, as it is hard to justify J the B's arrest much before August of 29 if we believe the gospels. Thus, there appears to be only 6 years possible, and in two of them Passover and the Sabbath coincide. I would have to check out the other four years, something I have never bothered to do as I accept a Friday crucifixion.
Yes, you can stone me, but only after you have stoned the Pope, whose church is teeming with homosexual priests who abuse little boys.
Oh wowYes, you can stone me, but only after you have stoned the Pope, whose church is teeming with homosexual priests who abuse little boys.
When you are baptized you are "born a..." say it with me now...And yet 30 plus year old is young enough?
I am not arguing with you about the appropriate dates of the Passover, I am asking you for evidence, not supposition, that the historic calendar conforms with your claims. In what year in the early 30's did 14 Nissan fall on a Thursday. No other explanations need be provide as long as you can provide supported proof of your dating. Most of what you wish to offer is potential support of your theory, but potential support is not actual support, it is fluff supporting more fluff, or biblically put, building on a foundation of sand. It just does not hold up.The gospel accounts may not be clear, the dates of the feasts in the OT are crystal clear - Nissan 10, Lamb Selection; 14, Passover; 15, Unleavened Bread. If Jesus got the date wrong, then he was not the messiah. You demand calculation, see the underlined part below. Please note that a Jewish calendar day starts and ends at 6 pm, each also consists of 12 hour night and 12 hour daytime, and Jesus prophesized to rise on the third day, i.e. within the third 12-hour daytime, which means three whole 12-hour nights, since night proceeds daytime. To fit this, it could only be Thursday.
Also, in Dan. 9:24-27, the Messiah is cut off in the "middle of the week". Although this prophesy is usually interpreted as 490 years of restoration, there could be a double fulfillment, so that the Messiah is cut off not only in the middle of the last seven years, but also in the middle of a week, which would be Thursday.
The Prophecy of Jesus in Matthew 12:40
In Matthew 12:40, Jesus predicted that He would be in "the heart of the earth" for three days and three nights, just as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish. A Friday crucifixion struggles to fit this timeline—it allows for parts of three days, but only two nights. A Thursday crucifixion, however, provides the full three days and three nights that Jesus spoke of, from Thursday evening to Sunday morning.
Calculating the Timeline: Thursday Crucifixion
A Thursday crucifixion means Jesus was buried on Thursday evening, which counts as the first night. Friday was the first day, followed by Friday night, Saturday day, and Saturday night. Jesus then rose on Sunday morning, fulfilling the "three days and three nights" prophecy literally. Understanding this timeline allows us to take Jesus' words at face value, without needing to reinterpret the phrase symbolically or stretch the meaning of "three days." This literal fulfillment also reinforces the credibility of Jesus' words and the consistency of biblical prophecy.
Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit in the womb, not at His baptism.When you are baptized you are "born a..." say it with me now...
It is Friday that doesn't hold up according to the biblically appropriate dates, Thursday does. My proof of dating is the specific dates ordained by God in the bible itself. The exact year is not for us to know, what is for us to know is the signs Jesus taught in the Olivet Discourse.I am not arguing with you about the appropriate dates of the Passover, I am asking you for evidence, not supposition, that the historic calendar conforms with your claims. In what year in the early 30's did 14 Nissan fall on a Thursday. No other explanations need be provide as long as you can provide supported proof of your dating. Most of what you wish to offer is potential support of your theory, but potential support is not actual support, it is fluff supporting more fluff, or biblically put, building on a foundation of sand. It just does not hold up.
It was and it wasn't. It was technically held on Passover on the Jewish calendar day of Nissan 14, such a day starts and ends at 6 pm; it wasn't according to our time, which starts and ends at 12.Was the Last Supper a Passover feast or are all the records that imply such a lie?