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cv5 said:
Feel free to misread this and everything else pertaining to the redemption and restoration of the Nation Israel to your heart’s content; I’m confident others won’t make the same error.

1. Gomer → Israel in covenant unfaithfulness and restoration​


(Primary text: Hosea)


The narrative​


  • Gomer is taken as the wife of Hosea
  • She becomes unfaithful (symbolizing Israel’s idolatry)
  • She falls into degradation (likely bondage/slavery)
  • Hosea redeems her back (Hosea 3)

Explicit typology (this one is not inferred—it’s stated)​


God directly interprets the marriage:




So Gomer = the Northern Kingdom (Israel/Ephraim) in:


  • Spiritual adultery (idolatry)
  • Covenant breach
  • Subsequent judgment

Key prophetic elements​


  • Lo-Ammi / Lo-Ruhamah → suspension of covenant identity
  • Redemption price paid → restoration initiated by the husband
  • “You shall dwell with me many days” → period of restraint before full restoration

Typological meaning​


Gomer represents:


  • Israel under judgment and exile
  • Yet still covenantally pursued
  • Ultimately redeemed and restored by her husband (YHWH)

This is a direct prophetic type of national Israel—not the Church—because the text explicitly says so.

2. Naomi → Israel in loss, exile, and return​


(Primary text: Book of Ruth)


The narrative​


  • Naomi leaves Bethlehem due to famine → goes to Moab
  • Loses husband and sons → emptied
  • Returns to the land bitter: “Call me Mara”
  • Eventually restored through the kinsman redeemer process

Typological parallels to Israel​


1. Departure from the land


  • Naomi leaves Bethlehem (house of bread) → famine-driven exile
  • Israel leaves the land → exile due to covenant failure

2. Emptiness and judgment


  • “I went out full, the LORD has brought me back empty”
  • Israel: loss, desolation, exile condition

3. Return


  • Naomi comes back to Bethlehem
  • Israel returns to the land (prophetic theme across Scripture)

4. Restoration through a kinsman redeemer


  • Boaz redeems the inheritance
  • This restores Naomi’s line and land

→ This aligns with Israel’s future:


  • Restoration of inheritance
  • Redemption tied to a kinsman-redeemer figure

3. How both point specifically to National Israel​


A. Corporate identity​


Both women represent more than individuals:


  • Gomer = the nation in covenant violation
  • Naomi = the nation experiencing covenant consequences

B. Land and covenant centrality​


  • Naomi’s story revolves around land inheritance in Bethlehem
  • Gomer’s story revolves around covenant relationship with YHWH

These are Israel-specific categories, not general spiritual metaphors.


C. Restoration is earthly and national​


  • Return to land (Naomi)
  • Restoration of covenant identity (Gomer)

This aligns with prophetic promises to Israel in books like Ezekiel and Jeremiah:


  • Regathering
  • Renewal
  • National restoration

4. Synthesis​


  • Gomer shows Israel’s sin → rejection → redemption
  • Naomi shows Israel’s loss → exile → return → restoration

Together they form a fuller picture:
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This is Gomer Pyle eschatology. Shazaam!
 
Kroogz said:
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Seems Paul was doing a bit of prophecy in this text.

Many conceited believers today, who think Christ is one dimensional and He is only for them.
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He is only for the election. He is not for the blinded part.
 
Kroogz said:
God has always had a client nation........Why do you not understand this?
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Why do you not understand that God's client nation is the body of Christ? I'll tell you why. Because of unbelief.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2:9​
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Why do you not understand that God's client nation is the body of Christ? I'll tell you why. Because of unbelief.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2:9​
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You get killed in a nation that is not free to proclaim the Gospel.

God has always provided a free nation so that YOU can proclaim His Gospel.

God does not deny physical reality like you do......He created it.
 
cv5 said:
And BTW, Moses was an Israelite Levite saved by faith in Him Who provided THAT covenant, and is NOT nor will he ever be a part of the body of THE BETROTHED BRIDE. And no amount of labyrinthine bafflegab will ever change that fact.
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But simple scripture plainly refutes your schizo theology.

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Ephesians 2:15-18​

You are IMO what Paul called an enemy of the cross

Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things. Philippians 3:17-19​
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
But simple scripture plainly refutes your schizo theology.

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Ephesians 2:15-18​

You are IMO what Paul called an enemy of the cross

Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things. Philippians 3:17-19​
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Evidently labyrinthine bafflegab has been dumbed down even further to just plain stupid.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
This is Gomer Pyle eschatology. Shazaam!
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You had yet another emotional and mental breakdown I see.

These serious in-depth multi-paragraph Bible studies that I am providing are doubtless the cause of those infantile tantrums.

Try a little warm milk. A soother and blankey might be of some comfort perhaps?
 
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Galatians 3:28-29
King James Version
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
Gideon300 said:
There is a difference between casualties in war and the attempted genocide of a race. Hitler killed Russian soldiers as an act of war. Stalin was no better, starving Ukrainians to death to hinder the German advance ("scorched earth"). Hitler's mother was not a Jew. I don't know where you get that from. She was a devout Catholic.

Hitler hated the Jews because of his false concept of racial superiority as well as their control of the world's financial system. He expanded on the views of Charles Darwin, who believed different races evolved at different levels. This led to the blight of black slavery as well as Hitler's Antisemitism.

Hitler believed in the "master race", which was Aryan. He was not stupid enough to kill all non Aryans as he needed them as slave labour. But they were treated as inferior. It bears a striking resemblance to the mentality of Muslims who regards all non-Muslims as inferior. It is not surprising that the only religion that Hitler respected was Islam.
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Thanks for correcting me, Hitlers mother was not a Jew. But his paternal grandfather may have been, according to "The Jerusalem Post" https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/study-suggests-adolf-hitler-was-a-quarter-jewish-597966

His ancestry is not that important, it's what he believed that matters. What we believe, shapes our worldview and governs our behaviour. Unbelievers are open to all kinds of demonic influences, "Wicca" is becoming very popular among teenage girls. Witchcraft was banned at one time and those caught practicing it were executed. Now it is celebrated as something good.

I saw a documentary about communism, around 15 years ago. The narrator claimed that communism worldwide, is responsible for the death of approximately 160 million people in the 20th century. If that is true then it means that communism is far worse that Hitlers fascism.

There are no reliable estimates of how many died due to Islam, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Ottoman Empire killed even more than Communism and Fascism.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
No but Hitler used religion to spread his hatred of the Jews. And the Nazis used Martin Luthers Antisemitic ideals as their defense of what they did during the Holocaust.

Nazis—including propagandist Julius Streicher at the Nuremberg trials—specifically cited Martin Luther’s virulent antisemitic writings, particularly On the Jews and Their Lies (1543), as justification for their actions and policies against Jewish people. The Nazis exploited Luther’s status as a German national hero to frame their persecution as a continuation of his legacy.
Nazi propaganda frequently referenced Luther as a "fighter against the Jewish spirit in the Christian Church".
Luther’s recommendations—including burning synagogues, confiscating Jewish literature, and banning rabbis—were seen as direct precedents for policies like Kristallnacht (1938) and the Holocaust.
During the 450th anniversary of Luther's birth, Nazis widely distributed his anti-Jewish works to reinforce their own policies.
Nazis heavily exploited the traditional, long-standing European belief that Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus (the "Christ-killer" myth). This was used to create a "diabolical" image of the Jew.
The Nazi Party Program (Article 24) supported a manipulated "Positive Christianity," which removed the Old Testament and sought to present Jesus as an "Aryan hero" fighting against Jewish influence, rather than a Jewish figure.
In several speeches (notably 1939 and 1941), Hitler posed as a "prophet," arguing that it was his Christian duty to fight against Jewish "poison". He asserted that his anti-Jewish policies were defending the "handiwork of the Lord".
The Nazi movement, including the "German Christian" movement, sought to synthesize Christianity with National Socialism, creating a religious framework where supporting Nazism was equated with serving God. Ai
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The sad truth is that half of the world population is antisemitic. So your focusing on the Nazi's or Germans like Martin Luther is unwarranted, since they are relatively few in number, compared to the actual number of those who hate the Jews.

According to a January 2025 survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), roughly 46% of the world's adult population—approximately 2.2 billion people—harbor elevated levels of antisemitic attitudes. This data indicates that nearly one in two adults globally endorses a majority of common antisemitic tropes, representing a significant increase over the past decade.

Some of the members of my Church are antisemitic, everyone has their own view of the Jews. But the good news is that one's view of the Jews is not a salvific issue, we can be for or against the Jews and still have Christian fellowship.

I personally believe that God is currently punishing the Jews by giving them a spirit of stupor, whereby they are blinded to the truth and their eyes won't be opened until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled. In any case I can't have any fellowship with the Jews because their religion is Antichrist.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Why do you not understand that God's client nation is the body of Christ? I'll tell you why. Because of unbelief.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2:9​
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The run of hilarious senseless gaffes and misapplied misapprehended Scriptures continues unabated.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Why do you not understand that God's client nation is the body of Christ? I'll tell you why. Because of unbelief.

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2:9​
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Why the total faceplant despite all of the fine eschatology Bible classes we have so kindly provided?

Here let me help:

The betrothed Church are indeed kings and priests, these blessings soon to be realized (aka predestined) at the rapture. And that would be the END of the CHURCH AGE.

After this, the ethnic Nation Israel SHALL become the Lord's holy nation ONCE AGAIN when, under great duress during the TIME OF JACOBS TROUBLE, finally themselves repent, receive their King, and enter into the New Covenant and are restored to their former glorious estate as a nation of priests to the gentile world in the millennium.
 
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ZNP said:
Clearly not everyone is chosen to salvation. Satan isn't, the fallen angels aren't, and those who go to hell aren't. If no one goes to hell then the threat of hell is empty. I am not God and you aren't God. I have no idea who was chosen to salvation, so I assume everyone has the chance and I preach the gospel to everyone. However, if you are born again then obviously you are chosen to salvation. Does that help?
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Yes, that helps a lot. Thank you for clearing that up for me. I thought you meant that God only chooses to save people after they are born again.
As I understand it, God chose His elect for salvation before He created the world.
Romans 8:29-30
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
 
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