Some thoughts on the un-churched....

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Today, there are 156 million adults in America who are identified “Un-churched”; they do not attend regularly. In truth, 77% of these people are not “Un-churched,” they are “De-churched”. At one time they did attend regularly.

More than half of these people report actively seeking something better spiritually than they experienced in church.

The reasons given for rejecting the church are:

1.Loss of belief / doubts about doctrine
2.Hypocrisy / moral failures by church leaders
3.Church is irrelevant / doesn't meet spiritual needs
4.Negative personal experiences

De-churched people report being often judged harshly by those in roles of spiritual authority. At the same time the de-churched hold a more favorable opinion of church than regular attenders. While 40% of churchgoers said the church is largely irrelevant, only 27% of the de-churched felt the same. This presents a striking alternative view:
  • Churched people: “I trust the church, but believe it’s irrelevant today.”
  • De-churched people: “The church is still relevant, but not trustworthy.”
Finally, most de-churched people feel the church is intimidating when visiting and confusing for outsiders.

In the non-church world, almost every successful organization goes through a routine process of assessing its strengths while clarifying its weaknesses. In business, this is essential for survival. Almost universally, the church refuses to embrace this process yet preach this same action to their flock. Aren’t acknowledgement, repentance and atonement the model for forgiveness and redemption? That’s the same model business uses, identify weaknesses, develop a plan to correct past errors and monitor that plan to successful completion. The church refuses.

When this process is suggested to church authorities, judgment, hypocrisy, and inflexibility becomes apparent. Challenging church authority is viewed as a challenge to the very foundation of Christian belief itself. The church blames a corrupt society for its woes, and blissfully continues whistling down the same path.
 
the protestant church is like a formula...

3-4 worship shops followed by announcements (may be at end)
sermon
1-2 worship songs
ending or benediction

catholic and orthodox even more rigid.
 
the protestant church is like a formula...

3-4 worship shops followed by announcements (may be at end)
sermon
1-2 worship songs
ending or benediction

catholic and orthodox even more rigid.
I don't mind a formula in the process of worship etc , it's a formula in humans that I can't stand . I love to sing hymns etc and I love a good Bible based sermon . It's the people that scare me away 🤪 .
 
Today, there are 156 million adults in America who are identified “Un-churched”; they do not attend regularly. In truth, 77% of these people are not “Un-churched,” they are “De-churched”. At one time they did attend regularly.

More than half of these people report actively seeking something better spiritually than they experienced in church.

The reasons given for rejecting the church are:

1.Loss of belief / doubts about doctrine
2.Hypocrisy / moral failures by church leaders
3.Church is irrelevant / doesn't meet spiritual needs
4.Negative personal experiences

De-churched people report being often judged harshly by those in roles of spiritual authority. At the same time the de-churched hold a more favorable opinion of church than regular attenders. While 40% of churchgoers said the church is largely irrelevant, only 27% of the de-churched felt the same. This presents a striking alternative view:
  • Churched people: “I trust the church, but believe it’s irrelevant today.”
  • De-churched people: “The church is still relevant, but not trustworthy.”
Finally, most de-churched people feel the church is intimidating when visiting and confusing for outsiders.

In the non-church world, almost every successful organization goes through a routine process of assessing its strengths while clarifying its weaknesses. In business, this is essential for survival. Almost universally, the church refuses to embrace this process yet preach this same action to their flock. Aren’t acknowledgement, repentance and atonement the model for forgiveness and redemption? That’s the same model business uses, identify weaknesses, develop a plan to correct past errors and monitor that plan to successful completion. The church refuses.

When this process is suggested to church authorities, judgment, hypocrisy, and inflexibility becomes apparent. Challenging church authority is viewed as a challenge to the very foundation of Christian belief itself. The church blames a corrupt society for its woes, and blissfully continues whistling down the same path.
Spot on . That means very accurate in England English 😁 .
 
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We ought not to make ourselves of the number (2 Corinthians 10:12)

They went out from us because they were not of us (1 John 2:19)
 
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We ought not to make ourselves of the number (2 Corinthians 10:12)

They went out from us because they were not of us (1 John 2:19)
Yes I know 😞 I had to leave my congregation because I married someone who is not of my denomination .
I have to say , I'd only been a member for about six years , so I wasn't much a part of them . Only 3 of them made an effort to get to know me . I was in my mid twenties and very shy when I joined . They had their own traditions of which I knew nothing and I apparently annoyed many of them with my ignorance . After I left , my 3 friends did tell me just a few of the things the rest of them said about me behind my back , while I was still a member and after I left . I was totally shocked because they never said a word to me while I was there , didn't even know anything about me 🤷 . It wasn't a nice experience for me , I've totally forgiven them all but , I'm not sure I would want to go back . They decided they didn't like me without getting to know me first . That seems a bit rough to me . I don't mind if u get to know me then decide u don't like me 😆
 
Today, there are 156 million adults in America who are identified “Un-churched”; they do not attend regularly. In truth, 77% of these people are not “Un-churched,” they are “De-churched”. At one time they did attend regularly.

More than half of these people report actively seeking something better spiritually than they experienced in church.

The reasons given for rejecting the church are:

1.Loss of belief / doubts about doctrine
2.Hypocrisy / moral failures by church leaders
3.Church is irrelevant / doesn't meet spiritual needs
4.Negative personal experiences

De-churched people report being often judged harshly by those in roles of spiritual authority. At the same time the de-churched hold a more favorable opinion of church than regular attenders. While 40% of churchgoers said the church is largely irrelevant, only 27% of the de-churched felt the same. This presents a striking alternative view:
  • Churched people: “I trust the church, but believe it’s irrelevant today.”
  • De-churched people: “The church is still relevant, but not trustworthy.”
Finally, most de-churched people feel the church is intimidating when visiting and confusing for outsiders.

In the non-church world, almost every successful organization goes through a routine process of assessing its strengths while clarifying its weaknesses. In business, this is essential for survival. Almost universally, the church refuses to embrace this process yet preach this same action to their flock. Aren’t acknowledgement, repentance and atonement the model for forgiveness and redemption? That’s the same model business uses, identify weaknesses, develop a plan to correct past errors and monitor that plan to successful completion. The church refuses.

When this process is suggested to church authorities, judgment, hypocrisy, and inflexibility becomes apparent. Challenging church authority is viewed as a challenge to the very foundation of Christian belief itself. The church blames a corrupt society for its woes, and blissfully continues whistling down the same path.
From your engrained bottom quote:

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But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."

If the Father is actively upholding those who 'worship the Father in spirit and in truth', both unaffiliated 'Churched' and 'De-Churched' worship is for some reason consumed upon some error, else the blessing would descend. I'm not speaking of those who indeed have been scattered by abuse unto a spiritual wilderness, but those who otherwise would secure our last line of defense:
They went out from us because they were not of us (1 John 2:19)
'Not of us' is only a confirmation of another existing error, those who have kept the habit of turning a portion of the text into a "myth". Specifically, the myth of God the Father has now appointed us unto De-spiritualizing the text in any number of ways and still somehow have collectively called it 'spirit and truth'. The Holy Spirit of Christ has not changed and still maintains the scripture CAN be twisted to conform to something foreign of His will.
 
BRB. Stocking up on popcorn. This one oughta be good.
 
Sounds like a Pew Research Center report.
Bible college academics are always referring to these surveys, for their dissertations.

Then the Purpose Driven Life CEOs cotton on to it, and find ways to make the church popular again. I read all about the Seeker Sensitive churches from the 1980s-1990s books in the church library that people had given up on.
 
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Church is a business in America.
There was this book called 'Inside the mind of unchurched Harry and Mary;' and it was trying to give a picture of what the life of an 'unchurched' person looks like.

I guess they didn't anticipate the marriage of Harry and Meghan. Their Royal church wedding surprised everyone when this wild American Pentecostal type preacher started preaching about love in the staid Church of England.
 
Yes I know 😞 I had to leave my congregation because I married someone who is not of my denomination .
I have to say , I'd only been a member for about six years , so I wasn't much a part of them . Only 3 of them made an effort to get to know me . I was in my mid twenties and very shy when I joined . They had their own traditions of which I knew nothing and I apparently annoyed many of them with my ignorance . After I left , my 3 friends did tell me just a few of the things the rest of them said about me behind my back , while I was still a member and after I left . I was totally shocked because they never said a word to me while I was there , didn't even know anything about me 🤷 . It wasn't a nice experience for me , I've totally forgiven them all but , I'm not sure I would want to go back . They decided they didn't like me without getting to know me first . That seems a bit rough to me . I don't mind if u get to know me then decide u don't like me 😆
I just hate to hear these types of stories but I know all too well how accurate they are. I once befriended a special needs member and was chastised for doing so when he prayed a little to fervently for their likes. I also learned what happens if you accidently sit in the wrong seat. These things did not cause me to leave, ingrained leadership did.
 
Church is a business in America.
There was this book called 'Inside the mind of unchurched Harry and Mary;' and it was trying to give a picture of what the life of an 'unchurched' person looks like.

I guess they didn't anticipate the marriage of Harry and Meghan. Their Royal church wedding surprised everyone when this wild American Pentecostal type preacher started preaching about love in the staid Church of England.
Oh...the nerve!
 
Church is a business in America.
There was this book called 'Inside the mind of unchurched Harry and Mary;' and it was trying to give a picture of what the life of an 'unchurched' person looks like.

I guess they didn't anticipate the marriage of Harry and Meghan. Their Royal church wedding surprised everyone when this wild American Pentecostal type preacher started preaching about love in the staid Church of England.
Not only church; Jesus is big business some of the worship singers are crazy rich.
 
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Not only church; Jesus is big business some of the worship singers are crazy rich.
The sun is still shining on that over there?

Over here the sun is setting and Christianity in general is not as popular as it used to be. Not to mention it is much harder to make money from an album you put out now.
 
the protestant church is like a formula...

3-4 worship shops followed by announcements (may be at end)
sermon
1-2 worship songs
ending or benediction

catholic and orthodox even more rigid.
yes, indeed, catholics are staunch & stern in their false beliefs. amazing how they stick to so many falsehoods. i've talked to 100's of them & they refuse to hear the truth. as for me, i skipped the past 5 years of church attendance because of a lack of teaching while preaching. no talent in other words.
 
Since all denominations disagree upon doctrine, it seems all named ones are most likely off the mark somewhere.

Listening to our Savior, I have come to understand that His taught doctrine is pretty simple, we are made children of Abraham (Father of the nations), we are to seek to possess the faith of Abraham. Listening to the Gospel as given by our Savior and striving to obey it is a fairly accurate manner in which to follow Him.
 
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Since all denominations disagree upon doctrine, it seems all named ones are most likely off the mark somewhere.

Listening to our Savior, I have come to understand that His taught doctrine is pretty simple, we are made children of Abraham (Father of the nations), we are to seek to possess the faith of Abraham. Listening to the Gospel as given by our Savior and striving to obey it is a fairly accurate manner in which to follow Him.
I've been praying fervently as to which denomination or doctrine is the truth, various protestant, catholic and orthodox and the spirit of the Lord said to me to affect. "I'm not concerned about your theology but your heart."