And yet He was accused of breaking it... just as many are to this day, and in fact, it cannot be kept as commanded
Some thoughts on the Sabbath...
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Jesus came to save all men and invited all men to come receive salvation through Him.
I never indicated in any way that Jesus would not allow the gentiles to follow Him or to receive salvation.
You must have me confused with some other jive turkey!
No problem, I'll leave that to you if "making ignorant statements" is your department
I don't want to steal anybody's thunder ya know.
If we are lead by the Holy Spirit we can .And yet He was accused of breaking it... just as many are to this day, and in fact, it cannot be kept as commanded
Yes the hypocritical Pharisees that had their own religious Law and Sabbath hated Jesus for correcting them . Jesus the Lord of the Sabbath said follow me to any that would . Instead though the religious people refused to except Jesus or his teachings. On the Sabbath or the laws in general. Jesus said they did not keep the law . Jesus should know being the master . Abraham kept Gods laws and commandments, and the Pharisees claimed Abraham as their father and we know what Jesus said ! Read the Gospels a good lesson on fake religion. And the truth of Jesus Christ . Genesis 26 v 5 says Abraham kept Gods laws etc … Pharisees do not only make the religion suit them as is SO COMMON today . The good news is the Holy Spirit is freedom to live pleasing God , and that does not include breaking the laws as we like . God Bless as you seek the Truth .
Part of what you said above is accurate as shown below.
Then you misunderstood what Isaiah 56 is saying.
If you read the text below from Isaiah 56 this should clarify what you misunderstood.
Isaiah 56:6
Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord.
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath and holds fast My covenant.
Isaiah 56:7
Even those I will bring to My holy mountain and make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar.
The codified law strictly identifies the condition that any Gentile sojourning in Israel must perform. In order
to be a member of that covenant between God and Israel, Exodus 24.
That condition requires the male to be circumcised.
Then that Gentile is like a Jew but is not a Jew and is in covenant to obey the codified law of Exodus 24.
Exodus 12:48-49
But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised,
and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person
may eat of it. The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you.
A Gentile living outside of Israel is not permitted to join the covenant of Exodus 24.
A Gentile who is uncircumcised and living outside of Israel cannot follow the codified law stated in Exodus 24.
because they are not members of the covenant, they are not legally bound to the codified law.
If you really want to perform the offerings, the sacrifices, the Passover, the Sabbath. Then you you must join
that covenant in Exodus 24.
That's what the text states.
Jesus Christ's position as THE Judge of all mankind is "besides the point" ??????????? WOW! very brave of you
I have no interest in Jewish or American courts or any human court -- they are all corrupt and evil, I have first hand experience.
what do you suppose Christ will use, what law, what standard, will He use to Judge YOU? and He will judge you?
you must be an attorney, I have lots of experience with attorneys, they are word masters -- they could convict Jesus Christ, Oh right they did.
no reply is needed
One does not have to be a lawyer to learn and know that word mean something and the way words are put together means something
there are folks that are masters at twisting truth in to pretzels,
look at the attorneys (congress) we have in DC that run the country ---
In my area there is a septic tank company with the slogan ""this truck is loaded with promises from Congress"
Then there are those who say they are Christians to twist the Truth of God's Word in to lies and deceive others costing them their salvation.
Those who understand that the devil is doing this and how he is doing this just have targets on their back with a heat seeking demon headed their way
The verse above is out of the context of the letter to the Romans and out of context with what the law states
in Leviticus 26:46.
The codified law written in Exodus 24 was a covenant in blood between Israel and God.
The codified law in Exodus 24 was never given to the Gentile nations.
Leviticus 26:46
These are the statutes and ordinances and laws which the Lord established between Himself and the sons of Israel
through Moses at Mount Sinai.
See, the law was the covenant between the two parties, an agreement between Israel and God.
A philosopher may call the ten commandments moral law and universal law but that is not how the scripture,
defines the law and the covenants.
One thing is certain from the text and that is the ten words were never universal. The O.T never, ever says the law
was given to the Gentiles.
No you have a philosophical interpretation of the scripture.
The law is not universal because only Israel was under the law of Mt Sinai.
Gentiles are not bound to obey the covenant law of Exodus 20.
You must be circumcised and living in Israel 2,000 years ago to obey the Mosaic law in that covenant.
That's what the Bible says and you seem to be reading from a another book.
Mark 16 v 1 And when the Sabbath was past , Mary Magdalene , and Mary the mother of James , and Salome , had bought sweet spices , that they might come and anoint him .
Notice this after the Sabbath was past , so that they would not violate it obviously.
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week , he appeared first to Mary Magdalene…
Notice this after the Sabbath was past , so that they would not violate it obviously.
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week , he appeared first to Mary Magdalene…
is that why the gentiles are the way they are --lawless
of course that can be said of the Jews as well, even in Christ's day.
This is logical and reasonable --- if the entire earth kept only four Commandments No murder, no stealing and no lying or adultery we would have peace on earth, if they kept all 10 it would be paradise.
that "paradise' is known as the 1000 years when the KING of Kings rules
Gentiles were not in a blood covenant to obey the ten commandments and that is what the scripture
states. Some how were you taught that you are in a blood covenant to obey the ten commandments?
The former blood covenant at Mt Sinai was between Israel and God, not the Gentiles.
There is no mention that the Gentile nation are in the former blood covenant in Exodus 24.
We do know from the O.T that there is reference to the law of Noah that applies to all mankind.
You need to provide the verses that state that the ten commandments in Exodus 20 apply to the entire world.
I have seen verses in the scripture that state that Gentiles are not under the law.
Romans 2:14
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law,
are a law to themselves.
The Gentiles were never in covenant to obey the law and that is what Romans states clearly.
You cannot put Gentiles under the law then scare them with the penalties that apply to the law.
You have no authority to do that.
The law given to Israel which Israel would be unable to obey was given for a purpose.
Simply put, the law merely shows you that you are a sinner and in need of a savior.
That purpose was to ready Israel for the messiah.
Jesus did not arrive and fulfill the law for the righteous, Jesus came for the sinner, the unrighteous.
Mankind cannot obey the law because mankind is flesh and blood and at enmity with God and the law.
Only Jesus could obey the law perfectly and offer up the perfect sacrifice.
We are righteous because Jesus is righteous and the law has nothing to do with that divine righteousness.
You have an iron grip on the former covenant and the outcome is death.