Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

[LTL]

If you don;t want to be called a heretic and blasphemer, then you need to be more careful with your language. Jesus is the messiah (anointed). John was anointed and of the messiah, but he was not Christ. Nor was he a Davidic king operating under the terms of the Davidic covenant; he probably wasn't even of the tribe of Judah; that was to Christ alone. John was/is a king in and through Christ, not through David. And, no, there are no saviors besides Christ. IMO your use of that term for anyone but Christ is to be purposely provocative.

I stand with Jesus Christ. Am I supposed to shake in my boots because you want me to be careful with my language? The problem is that people like you have browbeaten the saints of God for such a long time that you think your false doctrines are the Savior's standard. Do you not know that Jesus' mother Mary is of the house of Judah? Therefore, here sons are of the house of Judah, of which John is one. And since Mary's son Jesus was the rightful heir to the Davidic Throne, then her second son was also the rightful heir to the Davidic.
And I do not really care that you see my use of the term "savior" applied to others who save. If I save my dog from drowning, then I am his savior in that instance. Nevertheless, Jesus Christ is our eternal Savior. And in general, he is our Savior, and more specifically, our Savior from sin. But if I pull you out of a burning house, then saving you is what I have done. So let my words be provocative because you have your head in the sand. Wake up. You do not have to remain in the dark.

 

[JustThinking]

Your comment does not explain the difference between our viewpoints. There is the Savior Jesus Christ, and he is the God of our lives; the eternal Almighty. And secondly, there are his servants, one being the "Moses" of Rev. 15:3. Are you saying that God can not have servants? That he can not call them special? As in kings (Rev. 17:14)? Or Messiah? If the Savior Jesus Christ wants to call his special servant a Messiah, he can. Jesus appoints whomever he chooses. Or is God limited by our understanding of scripture, as you suggest?

Wait a minute. I never said or implied any of those comments you mentioned.

I believe it was you who claimed John the Apostle was the Messiah in 9:24? I believe you also claimed that John brought the prophecy to pass.

Chapter 9 is all about the coming Messiah (Jesus). John is not the Messiah referred to in chapter 9 or anywhere else in the Scriptures.

And without wanting to get into a long discussion with you of our differences John is not from the line of David. There is no mention at all in the Scriptures of his families history. He is one of the 12 only.

I am very sure you have had hundreds of long conversations and discussions with those that had very different views than yours. You certainly know yourself how far you are from most … and it is probably safe to say you have gone through those conversations and have kept your very different interpretations.

I certainly respect your interest and dedication to God and His Word but I don’t want to be the next in line for those lengthy discussions. Also, please take a look at the first two sentences in your post # 223. Not a good look. Thanks for your response and best wishes always.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Do you not know that Jesus' mother Mary is of the house of Judah? Therefore, here sons are of the house of Judah, of which John is one.

You have no evidence that John was from the tribe of Judah; he lived in Galilee, not Judea, which is evidence that he wasn't. Even if he were, no one has a right to the throne of David, but Christ. He rose from the dead, remember? Your ideas are just weird.

 

[LTL]

Wait a minute. I never said or implied any of those comments you mentioned.

I believe it was you who claimed John the Apostle was the Messiah in 9:24? I believe you also claimed that John brought the prophecy to pass.

Chapter 9 is all about the coming Messiah (Jesus). John is not the Messiah referred to in chapter 9 or anywhere else in the Scriptures.

And without wanting to get into a long discussion with you of our differences John is not from the line of David. There is no mention at all in the Scriptures of his families history. He is one of the 12 only.

I am very sure you have had hundreds of long conversations and discussions with those that had very different views than yours. You certainly know yourself how far you are from most … and it is probably safe to say you have gone through those conversations and have kept your very different interpretations.

I certainly respect your interest and dedication to God and His Word but I don’t want to be the next in line for those lengthy discussions. Also, please take a look at the first two sentences in your post # 223. Not a good look. Thanks for your response and best wishes always.

Interestingly, I do not care how it looks. I am a servant of Jesus Christ, and while you may pick and choose to go down some rabbit hole, your setup against me did not go unnoticed. So please do not play the innocent game.
As I said, John is the Davidic King, and he is a servant of Jesus Christ (Rev. 1:9). And while I may have had conversations with others about this truth, it does not negate this fact. So while the denomination to which you hold to be true and correct has not yet come to terms with the Savior's doctrine, it is not my fault. Blame yourselves for your lack of knowledge.

 

[LTL]

You have no evidence that John was from the tribe of Judah; he lived in Galilee, not Judea, which is evidence that he wasn't. Even if he were, no one has a right to the throne of David, but Christ. He rose from the dead, remember? Your ideas are just weird.

David was the first king, and the covenant is given his name. From David are his descendants, from which all Davidic Kings arise. Thus, Jesus was a Davidic King in the long line of Davidic Kings. When Jesus died, the kingship went to the next in line. Since Jesus appointed John as a son of his mother Mary, then not only is John in the line of the Davidic Kings, but he is Jesus' successor. Are you blind?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

When Jesus died, the kingship went to the next in line. Since Jesus appointed John as a son of his mother Mary, then not only is John in the line of the Davidic Kings, but he is Jesus' successor. Are you blind?

No, it did not. Jesus was the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant. He rose from the dead and still is king. Your idea about John is just silly

 

[JustThinking]

Interestingly, I do not care how it looks. I am a servant of Jesus Christ, and while you may pick and choose to go down some rabbit hole, your setup against me did not go unnoticed. So please do not play the innocent game.
As I said, John is the Davidic King, and he is a servant of Jesus Christ (Rev. 1:9). And while I may have had conversations with others about this truth, it does not negate this fact. So while the denomination to which you hold to be true and correct has not yet come to terms with the Savior's doctrine, it is not my fault. Blame yourselves for your lack of knowledge.

There is no set up against you at all. I believe we have very different views and that is not a problem. As you are well aware, there is absolutely no consensus among the many scholars, theologians, commentators , etc., that have contributed to “today’s accepted interpretations” on the Book of Daniel.

And since there are at least two major camps on the “major” prophetic verses, that means at least 50% of them might be preaching the wrong interpretations.

To be candid, after learning their “accepted interpretations” for the 12 chapters of Daniel, it is my belief that both camps have misinterpreted MOST of Daniel. So when I attempt to offer my new interpretations, it is no surprise to find just how much pushback I receive. People have been taught and have accepted their interpretations for some time. Most people, regardless of the topic or subject matter do not want to entertain new ideas or change!

So I do indeed understand how difficult it can be to find that your interpretations are not accepted - but that is part of this… Best wishes.

 

[LTL]

There is no set up against you at all. I believe we have very different views and that is not a problem. As you are well aware, there is absolutely no consensus among the many scholars, theologians, commentators , etc., that have contributed to “today’s accepted interpretations” on the Book of Daniel.

And since there are at least two major camps on the “major” prophetic verses, that means at least 50% of them might be preaching the wrong interpretations.

To be candid, after learning their “accepted interpretations” for the 12 chapters of Daniel, it is my belief that both camps have misinterpreted MOST of Daniel. So when I attempt to offer my new interpretations, it is no surprise to find just how much pushback I receive. People have been taught and have accepted their interpretations for some time. Most people, regardless of the topic or subject matter do not want to entertain new ideas or change!

So I do indeed understand how difficult it can be to find that your interpretations are not accepted - but that is part of this… Best wishes.

I am not talking about my interpretation, but the Savior's doctrine. It is sad to find so many with so little.

 

[LTL]

No, it did not. Jesus was the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant. He rose from the dead and still is king. Your idea about John is just silly

The blind lead the blind.

 

[JustThinking]

David was the first king, and the covenant is given his name. From David are his descendants, from which all Davidic Kings arise. Thus, Jesus was a Davidic King in the long line of Davidic Kings. When Jesus died, the kingship went to the next in line. Since Jesus appointed John as a son of his mother Mary, then not only is John in the line of the Davidic Kings, but he is Jesus' successor. Are you blind?

I am sorry I did not read this earlier. Your argument does not work biblically or legally. It makes several assumptions the text never supports.

First, Jesus giving Mary into John’s care does not make John a Davidic heir. In John 19:26–27, Jesus says to Mary, “Woman, behold your son,” and to John, “Behold your mother.” That is an act of care, not a royal adoption ceremony. Jesus is making sure His mother is provided for after His death.

Second, Davidic kingship is not transferred by emotional or household appointment. In Scripture, the Davidic line comes through descent from David. John may have become responsible for Mary, but that does not place him in the genealogy of David or make him heir to David’s throne.

Third, Jesus has no successor in the ordinary Davidic sense. His kingship does not pass to “the next in line” because His kingship is eternal. The whole point of the Messianic promise is not that Jesus would reign temporarily and then pass the throne to another man, but that His kingdom would endure forever.

Luke 1:32–33 says of Jesus:

“He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his Kingdom there will be no end.”

So when Jesus dies, the kingship does not transfer to John. Jesus rises, ascends, and continues as King. God sent Jesus to fulfill the 6 requirements found in 9:24. John has nothing to do with salvation. Do you believe Jesus is God, our savior, our Lord, The Creator of all things, and so much more? Or is he just one of a number of Gods – perhaps similar to the teachings of the Mormons?

 

[LTL]

I am sorry I did not read this earlier. Your argument does not work biblically or legally. It makes several assumptions the text never supports.

First, Jesus giving Mary into John’s care does not make John a Davidic heir. In John 19:26–27, Jesus says to Mary, “Woman, behold your son,” and to John, “Behold your mother.” That is an act of care, not a royal adoption ceremony. Jesus is making sure His mother is provided for after His death.

Second, Davidic kingship is not transferred by emotional or household appointment. In Scripture, the Davidic line comes through descent from David. John may have become responsible for Mary, but that does not place him in the genealogy of David or make him heir to David’s throne.

Third, Jesus has no successor in the ordinary Davidic sense. His kingship does not pass to “the next in line” because His kingship is eternal. The whole point of the Messianic promise is not that Jesus would reign temporarily and then pass the throne to another man, but that His kingdom would endure forever.

Luke 1:32–33 says of Jesus:

“He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his Kingdom there will be no end.”

So when Jesus dies, the kingship does not transfer to John. Jesus rises, ascends, and continues as King. God sent Jesus to fulfill the 6 requirements found in 9:24. John has nothing to do with salvation. Do you believe Jesus is God, our savior, our Lord, The Creator of all things, and so much more? Or is he just one of a number of Gods – perhaps similar to the teachings of the Mormons?

Your conclusion is simply supporting your church doctrine. It does not matter to me. If you have not been given insight from the Father then so be it.

 

[LTL]

We all make our choices. If you want to have eternal life, then the choice is salvation in Jesus Christ. However, if you want the added pleasure of living through the seven years of tribulation and judgment, then you need Jesus' appointed Davidic King.
False doctrines that Jesus was the only Davidic King or that Jesus was the last Davidic King permeate Christian churches.

John the Beloved is the Davidic King of our day. He is a servant of Jesus Christ, having his appointment clearly established in Rev. 10:8-11. Perhaps it is not so clearly defined by those who can not wrap their minds around the idea that Jesus would have a latter-day Moses (Rev. 15:3).
This is John, the great Davidic King of the end times.

Do you think Jesus would have Israel without a king? And yes, Jesus is the great King and God Almighty. But he has kings that follow him, of which John is one (Rev. 17:14). Can you not see this in scripture?

And I have heard of some who claim to have this appointment. But as you can see, John has not made himself known to the world. So to those who claim the title, to hell they will go where they belong. But to the rightful heir of Jesus Christ, and the true Davidic King of our time, only a few will survive to see. Because you reject the King of Israel and his servant John. And please do not say that you do not reject the Savior Jesus Christ. Because if you did not, then you would accept his servant John. For Jesus' authorised representative is John, as shown in The Book of Revelation.

So come away from your false doctrines that you will be spared in a rapture. Oh Please.
The Jews of WWII were not spared, and neither were the Christians. Likewise, as we approach the tribulation which will begin before this fall, 2026. And we all can see it coming. You had better get to searching spripture and opening your eyes to the Savior's plan. Because that train is moving, and we all had better hang on.

 

[JustThinking]

We all make our choices. If you want to have eternal life, then the choice is salvation in Jesus Christ. However, if you want the added pleasure of living through the seven years of tribulation and judgment, then you need Jesus' appointed Davidic King.
False doctrines that Jesus was the only Davidic King or that Jesus was the last Davidic King permeate Christian churches.

John the Beloved is the Davidic King of our day. He is a servant of Jesus Christ, having his appointment clearly established in Rev. 10:8-11. Perhaps it is not so clearly defined by those who can not wrap their minds around the idea that Jesus would have a latter-day Moses (Rev. 15:3).
This is John, the great Davidic King of the end times.

Do you think Jesus would have Israel without a king? And yes, Jesus is the great King and God Almighty. But he has kings that follow him, of which John is one (Rev. 17:14). Can you not see this in scripture?

And I have heard of some who claim to have this appointment. But as you can see, John has not made himself known to the world. So to those who claim the title, to hell they will go where they belong. But to the rightful heir of Jesus Christ, and the true Davidic King of our time, only a few will survive to see. Because you reject the King of Israel and his servant John. And please do not say that you do not reject the Savior Jesus Christ. Because if you did not, then you would accept his servant John. For Jesus' authorised representative is John, as shown in The Book of Revelation.

So come away from your false doctrines that you will be spared in a rapture. Oh Please.
The Jews of WWII were not spared, and neither were the Christians. Likewise, as we approach the tribulation which will begin before this fall, 2026. And we all can see it coming. You had better get to searching spripture and opening your eyes to the Savior's plan. Because that train is moving, and we all had better hang on.

I will respond to your post later today or this evening as I am not available at this time to address this.

Once again, I have never heard such an interpretation as yours! Whether you physically attend a particular church or not is this teachings of the Mormon church? Thanks.

 

[LTL]

I will respond to your post later today or this evening as I am not available at this time to address this.

Once again, I have never heard such an interpretation as yours! Whether you physically attend a particular church or not is this teachings of the Mormon church? Thanks.

That is so funny. Those false prophets are liars and thieves destined for eternal hell. And just to be clear, it is not my interpretation but the doctrine of Jesus Christ.

John the Beloved is the Davidic King of our time. And if you want to survive the tribulation, then you need to get on board with this doctrine. And just because you have not heard this doctrine does not negate the fact that you and your family are at risk.

Get your food and water storage now! And be ready to close your doors.

 

[JustThinking]

That is so funny. Those false prophets are liars and thieves destined for eternal hell. And just to be clear, it is not my interpretation but the doctrine of Jesus Christ.

John the Beloved is the Davidic King of our time. And if you want to survive the tribulation, then you need to get on board with this doctrine. And just because you have not heard this doctrine does not negate the fact that you and your family are at risk.

Get your food and water storage now! And be ready to close your doors.

I apologize for not being able to respond to your earlier post. But I certainly will tomorrow .

I believe you essentially repeated much of your previous post and you did not address the question if your teachings are from the Mormon Church.

I will assume they are since you do not want to answer the question… not that you have to…however, since you are quite sure of your interpretations and definitely eager to promote them, I would expect that you would also want to promote your church authority.

Till tomorrow, thanks.

 

[LTL]

I apologize for not being able to respond to your earlier post. But I certainly will tomorrow .

I believe you essentially repeated much of your previous post and you did not address the question if your teachings are from the Mormon Church.

I will assume they are since you do not want to answer the question… not that you have to…however, since you are quite sure of your interpretations and definitely eager to promote them, I would expect that you would also want to promote your church authority.

Till tomorrow, thanks.

Another attack from you. The Mormon church does not teach about the Davidic King, nor am I Mormon. And why would that even matter, but for an attack by you? And I did answer your demonic question, and I have answered it again. There is not one church teaching the doctrine of the Davidic King. I have told you that. Can you not read and understand scripture for yourself, or do you need some appointed leader to tell you what is being said?

And I am sure of the Savior's doctrine, and I am eagerly promoting that doctrine. Because no one else is doing that. So band to your self-aggrandizing cult of Mormon haters. And round and round you go, one cult hating another. In the meantime, you and your families follow the wide pathway to hell.

Open your eyes to the coming famine at our doors. And just so that you know, I have been teaching this for years. But now it is blatantly obvious. And you think you will be raptured to avoid the trouble. Do you not know Isaiah 28? You priests and prophets who have tables full of vomit, and have the contract with death that it will pass you by. But you will be taught by stammering lips, since you refuse to learn.

And yes, i know scripture. I know what is said about the Savior Jesus Christ and about John, his appointed latter-day Davidic King. And why, as you seem to indicate, should I be ashamed of these great kings? For I am not ashamed. So please do not attach the Mormon church to me in an attempt to throw me under the bus. Stand on your merritt of knowledge and address the topic at hand. But don't attack me as a Mormon in your demonic ploy.

Open your eyes to what is coming.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

You really are a hereric

But so easy to put on ignore.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

David was the first king, and the covenant is given his name. From David are his descendants, from which all Davidic Kings arise. Thus, Jesus was a Davidic King in the long line of Davidic Kings. When Jesus died, the kingship went to the next in line. Since Jesus appointed John as a son of his mother Mary, then not only is John in the line of the Davidic Kings, but he is Jesus' successor. Are you blind?

Jesus rose from the dead. Therefore, there is no longer the need for the next in line. Jesus reigns supreme forever.

 

[LTL]

Jesus rose from the dead. Therefore, there is no longer the need for the next in line. Jesus reigns supreme forever.

I am not part of your cult. Your brethren attacked Jesus when he was here in mortality, and now you attack him again by denying his doctrine. Save your platitudes for those who care.

There are kings in Israel (Rev. 17:14).
There is a line of Davidic Kings, of which Jesus was one.
There is a Davidic King on the earth today, and this is John the Beloved.
I have testified this to you repeatedly.
And yet, rather than being willing to learn this doctrine, you, like your brethren two thousand years ago, reject Jesus outright.
For, to reject his Davidic King is to reject the Eternal King.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

There is a Davidic King on the earth today, and this is John the Beloved.

Oh? You're one of those who think John is still alive on earth?