Revolution in Iran

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Goliath probably wasn't even a giant either, by our standards. The LXX and Dead Sea Scrolls say he was about 6' 6". This makes believers in human/angel hybrids very angry.

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Humor is good, a very good way to mock the geopolitical lies and other non Biblical fantasies.
 
So ridiculous.
Oh that NT always causing you troubles.

Matt. 22:30
” For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.”, he is telling us that the angels were created by God without gender. They were created by God without the ability to propagate. Even those that fell from heaven in rebellion with Satan could not become physically other than they were created by God. They would not magically obtain the ability to conceive and bear children.


The implication of marriage is the only approved and sanctioned method for sexual relations.
The fact that Christ said the angels in heaven are not given in marriage means that they cannot procreate.
They cannot procreate whether they are in heaven, or on earth.
That particular belief of fallen angels mating with earthly women is a travesty of human misunderstanding of the word of God, and is fantasy.

The Western mindset does not allow for the poetical and metaphorical Eastern mindset.

This leads to sci-fi fiction hollywood scenarios and very wrong eschatology that is outside of God’s word.

God is very logical.
The only thing that you have conclusively proven is your own Biblical illiteracy and willful ignorance.

It is perfectly clear that the "bene elohim" took a "downgrade" and became flesh.

Jde 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation (G3613), he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Whereas we who ARE flesh get an "upgrade" to immortal spiritual bodies.

2Co 5:2
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house (G3613) which is from heaven:

The KJV translates Strong's G3613 in the following manner: house (1x), habitation (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. a dwelling place, habitation
    1. of the body as a dwelling place for the spirit
 
So ridiculous.
Oh that NT always causing you troubles.

Matt. 22:30
” For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.”,
The fallen angels are surrounding Gods throne in heaven you say?
Furthermore, holy unfallen angels and those made holy and righteous in the resurrection have no DESIRE whatsoever to follow in the sin of the Genesis 6 bene elohim.
 
Well if you understand the Bible is a love story in which God the father loves man who was corrupted by Satan, and God the Son loves man as His bride, and God the Spirit loves man as a close friend, then it is the conclusion of that love story.
That's nice and flowery, and in many regards true. But more accurately, it is the story of a Father's love for His Son, and a Son's love for His Father. This is demonstrated for the glory of each and the good of a people separated unto God. But what is predominately in view in Revelation is the end of the old covenant. Just as the book of Deuteronomy is the initiation of a covenant, Revelation is the ending of that same covenant.
 
The only thing that you have conclusively proven is your own Biblical illiteracy and willful ignorance.

It is perfectly clear that the "bene elohim" took a "downgrade" and became flesh.

Jde 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation (G3613), he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Whereas we who ARE flesh get an "upgrade" to immortal spiritual bodies.

2Co 5:2
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house (G3613) which is from heaven:

The KJV translates Strong's G3613 in the following manner: house (1x), habitation (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. a dwelling place, habitation
    1. of the body as a dwelling place for the spirit

Nowhere in these verses does it state that they could then procreate.
Still ridiculous.
I would abandon pagan mythology if I were you.

This does not support the mythology of the Book of Enoch where angels mated with human women. That concept is impossible for two reasons:
1. According to Genesis, “kind” only begets like “kind.”
2. Jesus said that angels do not procreate.
 
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The fallen angels are surrounding Gods throne in heaven you say?
Furthermore, holy unfallen angels and those made holy and righteous in the resurrection have no DESIRE whatsoever to follow in the sin of the Genesis 6 bene elohim.

Angel means "messenger" in the original language, context is important.
 
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

If it was an actual bed intended proportionally for his body, then Og himself may plausibly have been:


  • roughly 9–11 feet tall,
  • perhaps larger if heavily built.

Og's "bed" was probably his sarcophagus


 
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Nowhere in these verses does it state that they could then procreate.
Still ridiculous.
I would abandon pagan mythology if I were you.

This does not support the mythology of the Book of Enoch where angels mated with human women. That concept is impossible for two reasons:
1. According to Genesis, “kind” only begets like “kind.”
2. Jesus said that angels do not procreate.
Every legit Christian knows this history. Time for you to get a clue and drop your infantile dreamscape.

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Yes — among the earliest extant Jewish and early Christian interpreters, the view that the “sons of God” in Genesis 6 were angelic beings who took human women was extremely widespread, arguably the dominant interpretation for the first few centuries.


The later interpretation (“sons of God” = godly line of Seth marrying ungodly Cainites) became dominant much later, especially after the 4th century.


Here is the historical trajectory.




The Earliest Jewish Background​


Before Christianity even emerged, many Second Temple Jewish writings interpreted Genesis 6 this way.


Key examples:


  • 1 Enoch
  • Book of Jubilees
  • Genesis Apocryphon
  • Qumran Community

These texts explicitly describe angels descending, taking wives, and producing giant offspring.


For example, 1 Enoch identifies them as the “Watchers” and connects them directly to the giants/nephilim tradition.


This means the earliest Christians inherited a Jewish interpretive world where the angelic reading was already established.




Earliest Christian Fathers Supporting the Angelic View​


Justin Martyr​


One of the earliest Christian writers.


In Second Apology and Dialogue with Trypho, he taught:


  • angels sinned through lust for women
  • produced offspring
  • corrupted humanity

This is unmistakably the Genesis 6 angelic interpretation.




Irenaeus​


In Against Heresies, he refers to angels transgressing and begetting children.


He treats the tradition as well-known and inherited.




Athenagoras of Athens​


Very explicit.


He taught:


  • certain angels fell from heaven
  • were overcome by desire for women
  • produced giant offspring

This is one of the clearest early patristic affirmations.




Tertullian​


Strongly supported the angelic interpretation.


He even linked cosmetics, jewelry, and occult knowledge to the fallen angels tradition from 1 Enoch.


Tertullian openly defended 1 Enoch because of its usefulness for understanding Genesis 6.




Clement of Alexandria​


Accepted the fallen angels interpretation as historical.




Lactantius​


Again teaches:


  • angels descended
  • mingled with women
  • produced giants



Why This View Was So Common​


Several reasons:


1. The Hebrew wording​


“sons of God” (bene elohim) elsewhere in the Old Testament commonly refers to heavenly beings:


  • Job 1:6
  • Job 2:1
  • Job 38:7

Many early interpreters saw consistency here.




2. The Giants Language​


Genesis 6 directly associates these unions with:


  • “Nephilim”
  • “mighty men”
  • “men of renown”

This naturally encouraged a supernatural reading.




3. New Testament Connections​


Many early Christians connected Genesis 6 with:


  • Jude 6–7
  • 2 Peter 2:4

Especially the phrase about angels leaving their proper habitation.


They saw Jude as referencing the Enochic Watchers tradition.




When Did the Sethite Interpretation Become Dominant?​


The major shift came later.


Key figures:


Julius Africanus​


One of the earliest known proponents of the Sethite interpretation.




Augustine of Hippo​


Augustine powerfully influenced Western Christianity.


He rejected angel-human unions partly because:


  • angels are spiritual beings
  • concern over mythological interpretations
  • desire for a more natural explanation

After Augustine, the Sethite view became dominant in much of Western Christianity.




Important Nuance​


The early fathers generally did NOT think:


  • angels had biological DNA in a modern sense
  • “hybrids” in a sci-fi sense

Rather, they understood:


  • real angelic rebellion
  • real unions
  • real giant offspring

But they described it in ancient cosmological terms.




Overall Historical Conclusion​


Historically speaking:


  • The angelic interpretation was extremely ancient.
  • It was deeply rooted in Second Temple Judaism.
  • It was very common among the earliest Christian writers.
  • The Sethite interpretation became dominant later, especially through Augustine’s influence.

So if you ask:


“What was the earliest and most prevalent interpretation among early Jewish and Christian writers?”

The answer is:


The fallen angels interpretation was indeed the earliest widespread understanding of Genesis 6.
 
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Og's "bed" was probably his sarcophagus


Augustine of Hippo.​

His disciples are continually and fully discredited on this tread day after day.


Augustine powerfully influenced Western Christianity.


He rejected angel-human unions partly because:


  • angels are spiritual beings
  • concern over mythological interpretations
  • desire for a more natural explanation

After Augustine, the Sethite view became dominant in much of Western Christianity.

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Yes — Augustine of Hippo was significantly shaped by both earlier Manichaeism and later Platonism / Neo-Platonism before and during his Christian life. That influence is well documented historically.


Here is the historical picture.




1. Augustine and Manichaeism​


Before converting to Christianity, Augustine was a Manichaean “hearer” for about nine years.


Manichaeism taught:


  • cosmic dualism
  • spirit vs matter
  • light trapped in material creation
  • strong metaphysical evil principle

Augustine was initially attracted because:


  • it claimed rational explanations
  • addressed the problem of evil
  • criticized simplistic biblical interpretations

Later, however, Augustine became one of Manichaeism’s fiercest critics after abandoning it.


He wrote major anti-Manichaean works attacking its doctrines.


So:


  • YES, he was deeply exposed to it.
  • NO, he did not remain Manichaean.



2. Neo-Platonism’s Influence​


This influence was probably even more important.


Augustine read Neo-Platonic writers associated with:


  • Plotinus
  • Porphyry

Neo-Platonism influenced Augustine’s thinking about:


  • immaterial reality
  • hierarchy of being
  • divine transcendence
  • evil as privation
  • allegorical interpretation
  • the soul ascending toward God

Many scholars consider Augustine’s theology deeply shaped by Neo-Platonic categories.




3. Did This Affect His Genesis 6 Interpretation?​


Many people argue yes.


Augustine strongly resisted the idea that angels physically mated with women because:


  • angels were immaterial spirits
  • the idea sounded mythological or corporeal
  • he preferred more philosophically “rational” interpretations

Thus he favored:


  • “sons of God” = line of Seth
  • “daughters of men” = line of Cain

Critics argue this reflected Greek philosophical assumptions more than ancient Hebrew cosmology.


That criticism is common among:


  • modern supernaturalist scholars
  • Second Temple Judaism researchers
  • some conservative biblical interpreters
 

BREAKING: Major Cities In Iran FALL From IRGC Control - Tehran CAPTURED By Iranians​


3 of the largest cities in Iran have fallen from Islamic guard's control.
 
Not going to happen. TousiTV is a notorious propagandist. Has anything it's predicted come to pass? No.
Well, at least his heart is in the right place.
Just wondering where your heart is at as regards the matter of freedom in Iran.
You would prefer IRGC dictatorial rule forever perhaps?
 
Well, at least his heart is in the right place.
Just wondering where your heart is at as regards the matter of freedom in Iran.
You would prefer IRGC dictatorial rule forever perhaps?

Whatever they decide to do is their business. I wish them the best whatever they choose
 
Angels cannot/do not procreate >>> conspiracy theory.
So. Maybe? What about Angels working and procreating from a test tube?(the seed)........kinda like we are trying and DOING today.

Try to hire a crane and moving company to move the 1000 TON precision cut rock that the ancients moved 600 miles from a quarry and precisely placed.

Look around...... Angels procreating with humans is just ONE of the impossibilities in your world.
 
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