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If this has been painful for you I am sorry my brain is not as sharp as when I was 60 and 70 -- I am 86.
Some thoughts on the Sabbath...
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If this has been painful for you I am sorry my brain is not as sharp as when I was 60 and 70 -- I am 86.
Why are you reluctant to reveal the "corporate" name?
I explain persecution is coming and the world is now filled with the insane, there could be some here the hate what I write, I know some do not.
I do not want to cause anyone problems
Sure. Sanctification occurs over time, but salvation...new birth...occurs in a moment in time. Either you have received a new heart or you have not.
You're fine. No problems on my end. I'm just trying to understand what you believe.
there are two births, the first to flesh and the second to spirit as per Christ.
The "heart", the Divine nature of The Father must grow in us and increase until death or the First Resurrection
At the laying on of hands the Father places HIS Spirit into us, which gives us a small measure of His divine nature.
God's plan is physical first, followed by Spirit
Adam then Christ
lamb Passover then Christ our Passover
Physical birth followed by our spiritual birth into spirit.
This is scattered here a little and there a little throughout the Old and the New.
If this could be proven 100% by scripture, there would be no question, but like many beliefs it can not.
the "born again' doctrine is not even 100% throughout the tens of thousands of churches.
I will only look to what Christ taught.
My hope is to be born of the Father's spirit, into spirit as a son of the Father
my own thoughts; at the laying on of hands, the Father put into me His Spirit which is His spirit seed/sperm, at that moment, impregnating me with His seed and I became a spirit fetus waiting to be born into spirit,
this could be how Christ was placed in Mary's womb.
It's important to be accurate with our terminology. Instead of talking about civil law, let's talk about covenant Law. In the Mosaic covenant, specific laws often embody broader moral principles. For example, the command to build a parapet around a roof is a law—a concrete requirement tied to Israel’s architectural context—but the moral principle it expresses is universal: human life is valuable and foreseeable harm must be prevented. The form is covenant‑specific; the underlying ethic is timeless. In the same way, the fourth commandment’s requirement to remember the Sabbath day is a covenantal law given to Israel, while the moral principle it expresses—the necessity of rest, trust in God, and the rhythm of work and worship—is universal. The law is the particular expression; the principle is the enduring moral reality.
As Gentiles, we are not obligated to give expression to that universal moral principle by resting on Saturday. As a Gentile follower of Christ, I give expression to that principle by resting on a Sunday. I am obligated to acknowledge the necessity of rest, and to trust God. I do this by worshipping and obeying his son. I also rest on Sunday because it was Sunday when he was raised from the dead.
We aren't discussing the moral principle of rest and trusting God. We are discussing how Israel gave expression to that moral principle by resting every Saturday. Gentiles are not obligated to give expression to that moral principle by resting every Saturday. Gentile worshippers of Jesus Christ give expression to that moral principle by resting on Sunday.
This is another case that shows the pattern. The covenantal law is "thou shalt not kill (murder.) The prohibition of murder is a law within the covenant, but the moral principle behind it—the sanctity of human life as God’s image-bearers—is older than Sinai and universally binding. The covenantal Law, you shall not kill, is giving expression to the moral principle that human life is sacred.
Resting on a Saturday was not instituted at creation. Resting on a Saturday was a covenantal expression of God's moral requirement for rest and trust.
If the Sabbath was made for us, then those who rest on Saturday are taking advantage of a blessing God established. We are not rendering anything to him.
Gentiles were never obligated to rest on Saturday. So gentiles didn't change anything.
Read the whole passage in Ezekiel 36:26-27. What is it that causes us to walk after God and keep His ways? Is it not His Spirit which He places in us?
Romans 3 teaches that there are none who seek after God. Yet, from time to time, we see those who do pursue after God. Why? Because God has come to them and given them new hearts and spirits, and placed His Spirit in them just as Ezekiel 36:26-27 describe. It is this intervention of God that produces a new creation in Christ. Baptism and the laying on of hands is simply when what God had done in you was made manifest to you. God was already causing you to walk in His ways. That's why you went to church, came to faith, repented, and was baptized.
Oh I agree, the only reason I even stopped and read and listened was the Father was calling me by His Spirit, the spirit was not in me, His spirit was 'with me' dragging me into His family. I came in kicking and screaming.
there not a chance in a million that I would have ever become a follower of Jesus Christ on my own.
And to be able to write the words, His words, as I do --- my first english test in college, out of 3300 I was 2nd from the bottom. I dropped the class after that.
God forces no one to be saved against their will.
If He did that He would have forced Satan to be saved and saved the world a lot of trouble.
Interesting to know events stuff from the holy lands I get bits pieces like eye of the needle or how crystal clear the water was is ? I would live by the Law if I could but knowing only Jesus did that and I Follow Him in new from circumcision to baptism Covenant Aman
How can you completely contradict what is stated below in Hebrews?
Hebrews 8:8
For finding fault with them, He says, behold, days are coming, says the Lord, when I will effect a new covenant
with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
Hebrews 8:13
When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first covenant obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and
growing old is ready to disappear.
The first covenant is obsolete!
How can you say that?
The old covenant (the law) was specifically between God and Israel only.
Exodus 19:5-6
Now therefore, if you will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then you shall be a peculiar treasure
unto me above all people... And you shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.
Exodus 24:7-8
And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath
said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people...
Deuteronomy 5:2-3
The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb [Sinai]. The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers,
but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
Jeremiah 31:32
...not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them
out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke...
Hebrews 8:9
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them
out of the land of Egypt.
I do not know what you have been taught but somehow you have an old covenant, between God and humanity.
You are dead wrong and you are seriously corrupting what God has said.
Are you saying that God did not choose Israel?
Maybe The Lord God Just got tired of All they're whining and Said Peter let's have some Pork meat Now ,I Will just make it Holy
Yes, that is what He did through His Grace.
We are not in a New Covenant of rules but freedom, liberty, and love.
Not a covenant of the works of the law like Israel was bound to do.
Maybe The Lord Just got tired of All they're whining and Said Peter let's have some Pork meat Now I Will just make it Holy
The parable of the sower explains it. Many so-called believers have only an emotional experience. Shallow preaching leads to shallow believers who have no real foundation. Those who are purely intellectual are equally vulnerable. If someone can be talked into Christianity, someone else can talk them out of it. That's why it is essential to be born again right now. Christianity is neither intellectual not emotional. It is spiritual. Without a live spirit, it is impossible to know the things of God.
Yeah us swine AKA gentile Got the best deal no doubt about it there's no way I could keep the laws and if moses.none!