To Whom did Jesus Promise Direct Revelation from the Holy Spirit?
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More precisely and Biblical: many churches (geographically) but only one Body. Consequently, One Head: Christ. One Spirit. One baptism (the baptism by the Holy Spirit).
Amen and well said . I truly believe Christian’s quickly find power and understanding if we would look at the e scripture especially the nt as if it’s what god is telling us and wants us to know …… rather than trying to understand Gid without accepting what it says
The sign of repentance and remission of sin is a witness for the angels: by which we are immersed into His burial. Only the Holy Spirit may place a person (immerse/baptize) in the Body of Christ.
Jesus to his chosen apostles
“and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
Luke 24:47-48 KJV
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
Peter one of those chosen apostles of Jesus Christ just after he received the Holy Ghost …..
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:38-39 KJV
Philip another of those apostles commanded to go preach and baptize believers in his name
“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
Acts 8:35-38 KJV
You said there’s one baptism right ? So you are then saying Peter an apostle and Philip an apostle both filled with the HOLY GHOST both were practicing the wrong baptism in water ?
Jesus was baptized in water all of his apostles and followers were baptized in water the apostles after Jesus died continued to baptize be r remission of sins in water after the holy ghost had already filled them up …….but none of that is the right baptism and there’s some other baptism that’s really not an act at all it’s just a secret “ baptism of the Holy Ghost “?
Based again on John the baptizer telling Jesus disciples this
“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:”
Matthew 3:11 KJV
It’s strange no one seems to relate what John said to those men to this that happened to them later from Jesus promise …..
This same who were told that then had this fulfilled
“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
Acts 2:3-4
Yet these chosen and approves and annointed apostles continued baptizing believers in water after this in Jesus name for repentance and remission of sins and they all had it wrong ?
Prophesy came in the past like it comes to today, the LORD puts the words of truth in his servant's mouth and they speak as they are commanded.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. John 12:49
"...and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."
Deut 18:18-19
Kinda like when the LORD said, "And it shall come to pass that when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud."
“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
2 Peter 1:19-21
oeter is talking about the messianic porphets and prophecies in the Old Testament they were all witnessing about the time of Christ by the Holy Ghost ….even then Peter is saying we should pay attention to the prophets who wrote the scriptures because it wasn’t the men interpreting what’s said but was the Holy Ghost speaking forth the word just like the apostles after pentocost.
If we look carefully into the law and prophets we find an ancient and accurate witness of Christ jesus before the events of his birth and life and ministry and death and resurrection and ascention ever unfolded on earth
“ Sure word of prophecy from old time when holy men of god like Isaiah Spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost”
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Isaiah 7:14 KJV
Witnessing Christ beforehand with that sure word of prophecy being fulfilled by God who spoke it forth
“Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
Matthew 1:22-23 KJV
The Sure word of prophecy spoken by holy men of God as moved by his spirit ……
“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?……. All they that see me laugh me to scorn: They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: Let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
Be not far from me; for trouble is near; For there is none to help. For dogs have compassed me: The assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: They pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: They look and stare upon me.
They part my garments among them, And cast lots upon my vesture.”
Psalm 22:1, 7-8, 11, 16-18 KJV
is witnessing Christ and the gospel
“And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him. they gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink. And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots. Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said, He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him. He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.”
Matthew 27:31, 34-35, 41-43 KJV
“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
Matthew 27:46 KJV
Peter is telling Christian’s to pay attention to the messianic prophets because they are witnessing about Christ and the gospel and we’re speaking not of themselves but by the Holy Ghost
If we read what peters talking about in his last epistle he’s talking about the apostles and early churches witness ( which became the New Testament scriptures ) and he’s saying “ we also have the sure word of prophecy in the Old Testament scriptures that shone light for us “
“For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. ( nt witness of Christ )
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” ( Ot scriptures)
2 Peter 1:16-21 KJV
Peter is essentially saying the New Testament witness and Old Testament witness of Christs coming and glory are both powerful and valid and help us grow up and see the light . He’s not advocating future prophecies or any removing of Gods eternal words in the gospel
all good but not baptism by Holy spirit,
by the "laying on of hands", by one in whom is the Spirit, God the Father, not Christ, impregnates the person with that ONE Spirit.
We are sons of the Father not Christ, Christ is our brother.
1 So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding.
Surely we don’t need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God.
2 You don’t need further instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
3 And so, God willing, we will move forward to further understanding.
The Laying on of Hands is a foundational doctrine of Jesus Christ, baptism by spirit is not.
Strong's does not have "baptism" as plural as is in verse 2
It would indeed be wonderful if the church did not need to learn the elementary doctrines.
Anyway...
Christ is also our Father.
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
There are four different baptisms in the scripture: fire, water, by the Holy Spirit into the Body of Christ, and by the Lord with the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:13,14 "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. For in fact the body is not one member but many."
So, the Holy Spirit is doing the work here: immersing each believer into the Body. Ultimately the Spirit decides our placement in the Body, not our efforts, educations, experience, will, etc. The Spirit decides who is where in the Body. Furthermore, the baptism by the Spirit is an identity change and a destiny change: from being outside the Beloved of God (Christ) and condemned to die forever to being placed within Him and to share in His kingdom inheritance.
The laying on of hands is one way to convey the baptism with the Spirit. The Lord Jesus Christ completes this. He immerses us in the Spirit. This is a baptism of power by the Spirit. The laying on of hands may also be a way to commission one to be sent.
The Holy Spirit chose to inspire writings using the grammar and rules of composition of individual men, even including the individual's particular style of writing. It is verbally accurate in the first writings without any error. The Holy Spirit then would stay with proper grammar in illuminating what he wrote and expect the interpreter to use proper grammar as well.
From the NA28, Greek English Interlinear by Tyndale House:
V20 THIS KNOWING FIRST THAT EVERY PROPHECY OF SCRIPTURE IS NOT OF ONE’S OWN INTERPRETATION
V21 FOR NOT BY [THE] WILL OF MAN WAS BROUGHT A PROPHECY AT ANY TIME, BUT MEN BEING CARRIED [ALONG] BY [THE] HOLY SPIRIT SPOKE FROM GOD.
V20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
V21 because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. (2Pe 1:20-21 RSV)
V20Above all else, however, remember that none of us can explain by ourselves a prophecy in the Scriptures.
V21For no prophetic message ever came just from the human will, but people were under the control of the Holy Spirit as they spoke the message that came from God. (2Pe 1:20-21 GNB)
Unless you wish to illustrate that the translation is in error, I frankly cannot see the two verses any way other than:
V20 Man cannot interpret by their own human knowledge, wisdom, education alone
Now the reason for the statement of V20
V21 It is because the writing was inspired and written men inspired by the Holy Spirit
The aid needed to interpret as in V20 must be something or someone outside of a man. It is NOT the Roman Catholic Church! If it was inspired by the Holy Spirit, then it must be the Holy Spirit that illuminates what was written by His inspiration.
How did men know what was truly revealed by God, and what was merely man’s false claims?
“And they went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs [miracles] that attended it. Amen.” (Mark 16:20, RSV) *I accept the traditional long ending of Mark
“how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard him, while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his own will.” (Heb 2:3-4, RSV)
“The signs of a true apostle were performed among you in all patience, with signs and wonders and mighty works.” (2Cor 12:12, RSV)
Jesus' commission to the twelve with the miracles listed, among which is raising the dead:
“Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.” (Matt 10:8, RSV)
If someone wishes to claim a revelation from the Holy Spirit, that is okay for them. But, unless I see the signs or miracles including raising the dead to authenticate that God spoke to them, I just see them as flaky, delusional persons, or fake manipulators for financial gain. I ignore them!
From the NA28, Greek English Interlinear by Tyndale House:
V20 THIS KNOWING FIRST THAT EVERY PROPHECY OF SCRIPTURE IS NOT OF ONE’S OWN INTERPRETATION
V21 FOR NOT BY [THE] WILL OF MAN WAS BROUGHT A PROPHECY AT ANY TIME, BUT MEN BEING CARRIED [ALONG] BY [THE] HOLY SPIRIT SPOKE FROM GOD.
V20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
V21 because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. (2Pe 1:20-21 RSV)
V20Above all else, however, remember that none of us can explain by ourselves a prophecy in the Scriptures.
V21For no prophetic message ever came just from the human will, but people were under the control of the Holy Spirit as they spoke the message that came from God. (2Pe 1:20-21 GNB)
Unless you wish to illustrate that the translation is in error, I frankly cannot see the two verses any way other than:
V20 Man cannot interpret by their own human knowledge, wisdom, education alone
Now the reason for the statement of V20
V21 It is because the writing was inspired and written men inspired by the Holy Spirit
The aid needed to interpret as in V20 must be something or someone outside of a man. It is NOT the Roman Catholic Church! If it was inspired by the Holy Spirit, then it must be the Holy Spirit that illuminates what was written by His inspiration.
How did men know what was truly revealed by God, and what was merely man’s false claims?
“And they went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs [miracles] that attended it. Amen.” (Mark 16:20, RSV) *I accept the traditional long ending of Mark
“how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard him, while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his own will.” (Heb 2:3-4, RSV)
“The signs of a true apostle were performed among you in all patience, with signs and wonders and mighty works.” (2Cor 12:12, RSV)
Jesus' commission to the twelve with the miracles listed, among which is raising the dead:
“Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.” (Matt 10:8, RSV)
If someone wishes to claim a revelation from the Holy Spirit, that is okay for them. But, unless I see the signs or miracles including raising the dead to authenticate that God spoke to them, I just see them as flaky, delusional persons, or fake manipulators for financial gain. I ignore them!
Aaron, in your "About" in your profile, you state that you are "not Christian", and some of your writings do seem to me to be from the mind of an unregenerate skeptic.
More likely you were offended because I showed clearly where Christ is called "Everlasting Father" by the profit Isaiah after you said He is not our father.
Don't be offended. Just change your mind and move forward.
You are putting your finger on a question that is often answered the way you suggest above. But that interpretation does not hold up under scrutiny. When, for instance, Jesus told His disciples in John 14 that they would not be left orphans upon His departure because He and His Father would make their hearts His home, and that He would reveal (by direct revelation) Himself to them and not the world, that promise was not to the disciples only, but it is for us as well. We must forfeit a great deal if we give up the notion that God communicates directly with His children (His Spirit with ours) -- Romans 8:16.
There were 12 Apostles of the Lamb. Paul was not one of them because he acknowledged the twelve, himself. He also did not meet the requirements outlined by Peter. All of them are with the Lord now, in spirit.
"Apostle" simply means "one sent". There were many other apostles in the scriptures and today. Rejection of this gift and calling is one reason the contemporary church is so fractured.
you think I have never studied that scripture??
here is a thought.
Fact: for the last 2000 years only the Bride of Christ is being Called, chosen and prepared -- no one else, which is why it is said many called few chosen.
there will be billions called and chosen as sons during and after the 1000 years.
What is the purpose of a husband and wife?? what did Christ tell Adam and Eve? and Noah and his 3 sons?
to reproduce
Who will be the Father and mother of possibly 100 or more billion?
Why will Christ have a wife?
The two God being chose the family as the best, for relationships, not presidents and VP, not partnerships, ect.
Christ and the Father are ONE but two "beings" -- who was God while Christ was in Mary and later for 33 1/2 years?