There is a human component in the recognition of reconciliation, but not in the accomplishment of it.
Reconciled to God while enemies !
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You misunderstood what Paul said. Christ died 2000 years ago. None of us was alive when Christ died. Therefore, when Paul says that Christ died while we were enemies, he is talking about himself and his Jewish contemporaries.
Right. Christ is the sole basis for our reconciliation -- if we want it.
No one asked God to send Christ to accomplish our reconciliation. God sovereignly and unilaterally accomplished all of this in Christ, and in one sense, before the foundation of the world. Faith has never been the cause of one's reconciliation; simply the instrument of grace wherein reconciliation is revealed.
Why this game? Am I in unbelief simply for disagreeing with you? I don't think so.
You disagreeing with a stated Truth in scripture Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
You say this reconciliation is insufficient, it lacks mans will to complete it. Thats unbelief
Where did I disagree with the passage?
My argument is with your interpretation, which is based on a mistaken notion that Christ died while YOU were his enemy. What an absurd notion. You weren't alive when Christ died.
Where u think ? You said in so many words, the reconciliation isnt complete until man does something.. Do you deny that ?
God did not say that He wants to give it to you; He said that He gives it to you - big difference between the two. No action or choice possible or permitted as pertains to the receiving of the $1,000,000 for those to whom it is intended, and thanks be to God that it is so!
[Eph 1:4-5 KJV]
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
All those reconciled to God by the Death of His Son, even while they were experientially being enemies in and of themselves by nature, even children of wrath as others by nature, yet through being reconciled to God, and accepted in His Favor, they must therefore be Perfect in His sight, because God accepts no one or thing less than Perfection, for His Holiness demands it. Whatever, if its not absolutely Perfect, Cannot be accepted with God ! But that Death of Christ, by which all for whom Christ died, and did reconcile to God thereby, even while being enemies, that Death of His or His Offering of Himself for them, made them Perfect before God ! Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering[His Death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 1
14 For by one offering[His Death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 1
Why would I deny the meaning of the word reconcile? Your view that Christ accomplished reconciliation alone is a contradiction in terms. Reconciliation involves two parties.
Granted, we were chosen before the foundation of the world. But consider that God is creating our story. We are the hero of our own story. Our road to Salvation, we experience moment by moment and decision by decision.
Nevertheless, paying attention to verb tenses and temporal aspects of a Biblical text are among the demands of proper hermeneutics. When Paul says that Christ died while we were his enemies, he doesn't refer to any of us because we weren't alive when Christ was crucified. Paul isn't saying that we were reconciled 2,000 years ago, he is saying that there is no other person in all of creation that is the basis for our reconciliation. In short, Jesus Christ is the sole means for our reconciliation.
But we must all reconcile with God while it is still called "today."
let me ask it another way. Why do you believe the first-person plural "we" in Romans 5:10 indicates people who lived after Jesus?