Some thoughts on the Sabbath...

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From Acts 15 v 20 plus 28 Abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements
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Perhaps because God siad Saturday not Sunday. His appointed time not ours. Do we hold the power to chose or pick?
Yes, we in Christ always have the choice. Unlike Israel, which was compelled by Law to rest every Saturday, those of us in Christ have the freedom to rest on a Saturday, or a Sunday, or not at all. Some Godly believers want to honor God by resting and worshipping on a Saturday. That is their choice, and they are to be commended for their desire to honor God in that way. Other Godly believers wish to honor God by resting on a Sunday, and they should also be commended for doing so.

The one thing we have in common is our desire to love, honor, and obey the Lord, and we have the freedom to act according to our conscience. I am drawing from Romans 14
 
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I am concerned about the confusion behind that concept. Did the RCC change the seventh day of the week to Sunday? Yes. Does it matter? No. The Catholic man honors God by resting on HIS seventh day of the week. That is a good thing, not an evil thing as some suggest.

Who is ignoring the words of Jesus Christ? Since resting every seventh day is beneficial for man, then the Catholic man, who rests every Sunday, is gaining the benefit of his rest.

What's your objection to that?

so man can worship God in what ever way he wants?

Please do not use the catholic church as an example of christian living.
there is little they have not altered, actually they rewrote the bible and the commandments

If they are an example, then as long as the name of Christ is mentioned, that makes it all good?

Christ states as fact the many are not going to make it, only the few.
 
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There is a lot more information on the RCC changing the Sabbath to Sunday in their own writings , some of it is truly amazing ! Many of them were open about it . Keep digging there is a lot more . Not at all of God . Christianity became a problem in the Roman Empire and they needed to get control of it and they did for the most part . History every truth seeker needs to get to understand so we can understand better the current times and how we got here . It helps us realize the scriptures are true after all and trustworthy. And the warnings are in it as well . Amen God bless as the Truth sets you free .
True.
History is great to help us understand the truth and the truth will set u free. Amen.

The problem is that many people refuse to search and refuse to see what happened. The history has been twisted to paint greater picture's of the past, but if you search you can still find the truth..

I wish people would see the history of the church and the way the rcc changed the bible doctrines to suit their own desires.

History reveals .... that every true protestant seen the rcc as the antichrist and the 1st beast of Rev 13. And because America was protestant they vowed to never let the pope or let catholic traditions be part of their nation..
Today they have joined hands with the rcc. They have forgotten the history.
 
Paul acted like a Jew when dealing with Jews and like a gentile when dealing with gentiles. The law was abolished at the cross. Why don't you believe God's word? You make the sabbath an idol, placing it higher than the revealed word of God.
Paul was all things to all people. I agree but did Paul compromise the truth?

Did Paul say to the Gentiles that the 10 commandments were abolished and then tell the Jews that the 10 commandments are important.

Did Paul have different moral standards for the Jews and Gentiles? No.

We are all one in Christ.

I don't make the sabbath an idol.
It is like any moral law of God.
I am promoting it. Because this thread is about the sabbath I'm talking about it.

I believe we should obey the 10 commandments.
Not to save ourselves but because that is the character of Jesus, and the Spirit of God in us, restores the image of God in us.

The image of God is seen in the character of Jesus. I want Jesus's character to be seen in me.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:7-10
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

By living in the Spirit the law will naturally be obeyed.

You can't be living in the Spirit and steal. Or lie, or have idols or covet.

The Spirit living in us leads us to obey the righteousness of the law.

The sabbath is a wonderful blessing made for man.
 
Please do not use the catholic church as an example of christian living.
there is little they have not altered, actually they rewrote the bible and the commandments

If they are an example, then as long as the name of Christ is mentioned, that makes it all good?

Christ states as fact the many are not going to make it, only the few.
I don't remember referring to the Catholic church. I am fully aware of the difference between the Catholic Church as an institution and a child of God who just happens to worship at a Catholic Church. My wording was chosen carefully. I was deliberately provocative because I am also fully aware of a spirit of enmity that seeks to control us by dividing us.

I am against the kind of prejudice that would judge all Catholics the same, suggesting that they are all the enemy because they attend a Catholic church. I allow for the likely possibility that a Catholic man loves, honors, and obeys the Lord from a pure heart. There is no reason to paint all Catholics with the same brush.

And I am fully aware of the historical schism between Catholics and Protestants and why some Protestant groups consider the RCC and the Pope to be the Beast and the AntiChrist. And we agree that many things about the church are wrong and sometimes evil. But we must always assume that a believer is a genuine believer until proven otherwise.

But what I said about resting on a Sunday is true. For many Christian denominations, Sunday is the seventh day of the week. For this reason, Christians worship Jesus on Sunday. They also rest on Sunday for this same reason. Resting on a Sunday to honor the Lord is just as valid for a Catholic man as it is for a Jewish man to honor the Lord by resting on a Saturday. Both

Neither Jesus nor the Father would want me to judge a person based on where they worship because I don't know their true heart or the final chapters in their story. The Catholic man might be a child of God in his heart, and in the final chapters of his life, he might abandon the Catholic Church. How can I know that?

We don't know how each of our stories will play out.
 
You believe Roman Catholic teachings? They claim Peter to be the first pope. Rubbish. They also claim that they made Sunday the Lord's day. They codified it but it was certainly observed as the Lord's day even in the early church. So no, RC did not change the day of worship.
Man changed it
Not God

God did not change the sabbath day from the 7th day to the first.

This was done by man.

I follow God not the traditions of man.
 
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Man changed it
Man changed the Calendar, not the day of Creation.
God did not change the sabbath day from the 7th day to the first.
The Catholics changed the calendar so that the Seventh day falls on a Sunday. If they worship and rest on a Sunday, they are resting on the Seventh Day of the Week as the Fourth Commandment says.
This was done by man.

I follow God not the traditions of man.
Show from the Bible that God established Saturday as the Seventh Day of the week. Scripture always speaks of “the seventh day”, never of a named weekday. Israel’s week is numeric: day one, day two, … day seven. The names “Saturday,” “Sunday,” etc., come from Roman planetary naming, not the Bible. There is nothing holy about the Roman Calendar.

During the manna episode, God Himself taught Israel to live by a seven‑day rhythm, giving bread for six days and withholding it on the seventh, so that the people learned to mark time by a weekly cycle anchored in His command. This divinely enforced pattern—long before Sinai—shows that resting on the seventh day was not borrowed from surrounding cultures but was a covenantal practice God embedded directly into Israel’s life. The Sabbath rest was therefore a sign of belonging to Yahweh, a weekly reminder that their time, labor, and provision were governed by His covenant with them.

The RCC didn't change the Jewish Calendar. They adopted one of their own.
 
I do not claim to be under the old covenant. The old was nailed to the cross.

The old covenant failed. Not by God or anything that God did. It was the people that failed.

The laws were only part of the covenant.
Obedience to the laws was were the people failed and understanding which laws were a burden and which laws were holy and good makes a big difference.

Do you presume all of the laws give at Sinai are made void?
I struggle with so many things you said in your post.

The first thing you said in your post.
The old was ratified by the blood of a Ram.
Exodus 24:5 "...and sacrificed young bulls as peace offerings to the Lord.", bull's blood not ram's blood.

I do not claim to be under the old covenant. The old was nailed to the cross.
You claim that your not under the old covenant but you are under the old covenant.

Because you quote Exodus 20 which is the start of the old covenant law.

Do you presume all of the laws give at Sinai are made void?
The old covenant was obsolete therefore the book of the covenant was also absolete.

You cannot quote Exodus 20 from the book of the covenant and say that Exodus 20 was not abolished.

You are a walking contradiction and unfortunately you are corrupting the gospel of grace.

The old covenant was obsolete but the book of the covenant is partly obsolete, you say?

You need to ponder what Exodus 20 represents; your quoting from the old covenant law.

You manage to find a way to allow these laws into the new covenant but the 4th commandment is made void.
I reject the entire book of the old covenant and I do not touch the old covenant law in any way.

Anyone who places themselves under Exodus 20 is under the old covenant law.

Jeremiah 31:33
But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord,
I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

The Lord told Israel that in the new covenant His law will be internal not external written law.

You do not understand what the Lord wrote do you TMS.
 
I don't remember referring to the Catholic church. I am fully aware of the difference between the Catholic Church as an institution and a child of God who just happens to worship at a Catholic Church. My wording was chosen carefully. I was deliberately provocative because I am also fully aware of a spirit of enmity that seeks to control us by dividing us.

I am against the kind of prejudice that would judge all Catholics the same, suggesting that they are all the enemy because they attend a Catholic church. I allow for the likely possibility that a Catholic man loves, honors, and obeys the Lord from a pure heart. There is no reason to paint all Catholics with the same brush.

And I am fully aware of the historical schism between Catholics and Protestants and why some Protestant groups consider the RCC and the Pope to be the Beast and the AntiChrist. And we agree that many things about the church are wrong and sometimes evil. But we must always assume that a believer is a genuine believer until proven otherwise.

But what I said about resting on a Sunday is true. For many Christian denominations, Sunday is the seventh day of the week. For this reason, Christians worship Jesus on Sunday. They also rest on Sunday for this same reason. Resting on a Sunday to honor the Lord is just as valid for a Catholic man as it is for a Jewish man to honor the Lord by resting on a Saturday. Both

Neither Jesus nor the Father would want me to judge a person based on where they worship because I don't know their true heart or the final chapters in their story. The Catholic man might be a child of God in his heart, and in the final chapters of his life, he might abandon the Catholic Church. How can I know that?

We don't know how each of our stories will play out.

Roger it took me a life time before I came to understand 2 plus 2 must equal 4

God is Truth and God is logical, 2 plus 2 always = 4

If one will study, not read, study God's Word logically, it does change things.

On the Day of Pentecost, one of God's Holy Feast, the Church/congregation of God was formed with 120.
using two of God's numbers 10 and 12.
ONE Church in one accord,
now the web says there are 45,000, I am not going to take the time to count,
How ever many there are now,, way more then ONE..
Is this of GOD?
I do not see how this of GOD
this is confusion and God is not the author of confusion.
Jesus Christ, has stated the Many are not going to make it, it is the few that are His.
He said MANY will come in my name saying "I am", Christ and will deceive many
how can 45,000 or what ever the number, not be deceived?

I am not one of the 45,000
 
The old was ratified by the blood of a Ram.
Exo 24:7-8
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. 8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

The blood of the Ram was used to seal the deal.

I do not claim to be under the old covenant. The old was nailed to the cross.

The old covenant failed. Not by God or anything that God did. It was the people that failed.

The laws were only part of the covenant.
Obedience to the laws was were the people failed and understanding which laws were a burden and which laws were holy and good makes a big difference.

Do you presume all of the laws give at Sinai are made void?

Not killing, not lying, not committing adultery, not taking God's name in vain are not void today.

You manage to find a way to allow these laws into the new covenant but the 4th commandment is made void.

Moses was shown the pattern of the heavenly ministry. The Shadow of what was to come.
Heb 8:6-10
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Better because Jesus is the lamb and priest and it is no longer a shadow but the real deal. JESUS. Jesus is the more excellent ministry and mediator of the better covenant.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Did God give faulty laws? It was not the 10 commandments that were faulty. The second was needed because of the peoples faulty attitudes. And the blood of animals did not forgive our sins.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The new covenant is about Jesus and how we relate to His gift. It is not about making all the perfect laws void.
It is about true freedom from sin.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

These perfect holy laws do not change.

But ... Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Does the yoke of bondage include the 10 commandments. Or keeping the 600 plus laws to save yourself???

The allegory of the two covenants in Galatians 4 explains the difference between the "children of the flesh," who rely on human efforts to achieve righteousness, and the "children of promise," who receive salvation through faith in Christ.
This comparison uses the history of Abraham’s two sons, Ishmael and Isaac, to illustrate the transition from the restrictive Sinai covenant to the liberating new covenant.

Just as Hagar could only bring forth children into a state of slavery, the Sinai covenant "gendereth to bondage" because it relies on the promises and works of the carnal mind, which is unable to subject itself to the law of God Galatians 4:24.
Sarah, the freewoman, represents the "Jerusalem which is above," which is the mother of all true believers Galatians 4:26. This covenant is based on the better promises of God and is characterized by spiritual freedom rather than legalistic servitude.

Ishmael was the result of Sarah and Abraham’s attempt to fulfill God’s promise through their own human inventions and distrust. He represents those who seek righteousness by their own works and remain in the "bondage of sin," typified by Egyptian servitude Galatians 4:23
Isaac (Born of the Spirit) was born by the supernatural power of God according to a divine promise when birth was humanly impossible. He represents the "children of promise" who are justified by faith and have the law of God written in their hearts by the Spirit, Galatians 4:28.

While the "yoke of bondage" and ceremonial ordinances are set aside, the new covenant actually establishes the moral law (the Ten Commandments) by writing its principles of righteousness directly into the minds and hearts of believers, Hebrews 10:16.

As children of the new covenant we are free in Christ.

Not free to sin and transgress the law. We are free from the bondage of sin.
The price has been paid.
But also the Spirit is given to overcome sin in Christ. Justification and sanctification Are both gifts to free us from the bondage of sin.
Wow if they still are not convinced after reading this they must be resisting the truth , very well put together! Amen!
 
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From Acts 15 v 20 plus 28 Abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements
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The Sabbath was not even in question at that time , it came over 300 yrs later . When RCC changed it to their liking .
 
Man changed it
Not God

God did not change the sabbath day from the 7th day to the first.

This was done by man.

I follow God not the traditions of man.
Plain and simple . Amen! God established the Sabbath for ever . Jesus called himself the Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus Christ the SAME yesterday, today and forever! Truth resisting must be tough !