Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

[Psalm1]

P1,
What is FOUNDARION?
That is funny.

And what did I say about Rev. 14 that is incorrect?
Rev. 13 is continued in Rev. 14. These two Chapters cover the tribulation proper in the third storyline, which is Ch. 12-16.

Similar to Chapter Six, introducing the seals storyline, Chapter 12 introduces the mark of the beast storyline. Afterward comes the main focus of the storyline, which for the seals storyline is Chapter Seven, and for the mark of the beast storyline is Chapters Thirteen and Fourteen.

Chapter Thirteen shows the beast and false prophet who take over the world. And Chapter Fourteen shows the Savior's response.
Thus, the Savior stands with his army in Rev. 14:1. This is more clearly stated in the fall of Babylon storyline (Rev. 17-21) where the Savior's army defeats the beast's army (Rev. 19:11-21).

Thus, the 144,000 standing with Jesus Christ in Rev. 14:1 is his army. It is not that difficult to see.

*Foundation.
Don't Blame me.
The board has forbidden typos from being corrected.

 

[Psalm1]

That is a crazy and false doctrine.

The fall of Babylon storyline (Rev. 17-21) shows
1) that Babylon falls (Rev. 17-18),
2) and then the bride is gathered to the groom (Rev. 19:1-10)
3) which is followed by the winepress (Rev. 19:11-21), ending the beast and his false prophet
4) followed by the midpoint (see Rev. 15:2 from the mark of the beast storyline).

That is, the above items are in the 3.5-year tribulation.

There is only an exodus during this period, as shown in Rev. 12:5, and a harvest of saints (Rev. 12:14).

And the false doctrine about "worthy" ones is silly. The saints of God (Rev. 13:7) must wait until the harvest, and many will die as stated in Rev. 12:11.

There is no pre-trib rapture. Please get that straight in your mind. It is a trap set by Lucifer to erode the confidence of the saints.

QUOTE
"And the false doctrine about "worthy" ones is silly. "
Mat 25
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

ahem...that parable is the worthy ones being taken to the marriage.

Rev 3
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Ahem....The worthy ones are kept from the trial

Luke 21
36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may [a]be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Huh....not the worthy dynamic for the rapture!!!!
The nerve of that Jesus.

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Yep...only the worthy ones get that reward.

Rev 2:10
Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
Another crown earned.
If it is earned it automatically goes to the one worthy of it.

1 cor 3,
13;Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14;If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15;If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

HELLO....Rewards recieved IF ONE IS FOUND WORTHY



Now, ....you were saying?

 

[Psalm1]

Or by God to gather the tares

That is after the mil.
Lake of fire.

Amazing how you guys don't know your bible.

 

[Psalm1]

CRD, you are correct.

The 144,000 are servants of Jesus Christ and the "first fruits" in the millennial reign of the Savior. However, they are not resurrected but translated like Elijah.

Their purpose is to harvest the saints of God, not only in the 3.5-year tribulation but in the 3.5-year judgment as well.

Show me the verse.

 

[Psalm1]

That is a crazy and false doctrine.

The fall of Babylon storyline (Rev. 17-21) shows
1) that Babylon falls (Rev. 17-18),
2) and then the bride is gathered to the groom (Rev. 19:1-10)
3) which is followed by the winepress (Rev. 19:11-21), ending the beast and his false prophet
4) followed by the midpoint (see Rev. 15:2 from the mark of the beast storyline).

That is, the above items are in the 3.5-year tribulation.

There is only an exodus during this period, as shown in Rev. 12:5, and a harvest of saints (Rev. 12:14).

And the false doctrine about "worthy" ones is silly. The saints of God (Rev. 13:7) must wait until the harvest, and many will die as stated in Rev. 12:11.

There is no pre-trib rapture. Please get that straight in your mind. It is a trap set by Lucifer to erode the confidence of the saints.

Lol
I run circles around you.
Even expose your one and only verse that you guys reframe belligerently.

The pretrib rapture doctrine has about 5 times the verses on the table as your talking points. ( what...1 verse?)

Every one of you guys eventually goes to slander and name calling, insisting pretribbers get all our doctrine from satan.

I can feel your desperation.

 

[LTL]

Didn't know the U.S is well... Egypt... lol

Okay, now you know.
The U. S. is mentioned in scripture as Egypt.
Everyone knows that the Savior uses metaphors.
His parables are laden with metaphor.
Throughout his ministry, he used metaphors.
Throughout scripture, he uses metaphors.
Just because you refuse to see them does not mean they are not there.

 

[Psalm1]

CRD, you are correct.

The 144,000 are servants of Jesus Christ and the "first fruits" in the millennial reign of the Savior. However, they are not resurrected but translated like Elijah.

Their purpose is to harvest the saints of God, not only in the 3.5-year tribulation but in the 3.5-year judgment as well.

Nope nope nope
The 144,000 are called firstfruits while on earth.
Firstfruit ethnic Jews.
Firstfruits MEANS MAIN HARVEST FOLLOWS.
That lack of knowledge is where you start from.
You simply ascribe meaning to a word "firstfruits", not understanding what it is.
You guys do not even know Jesus is the firstfruits of the resurrection.
IOW Jesus is the first.
You guys don't grasp that.
instead you think we have 2 firstfruits of the first resurrection.
I had to school all of you on that months ago. .

Firstfruits is THE FIRST PORTION OF MAIN HARVEST.
If you do not frame, what is written, in basic knowledge, the fog that follows will never let you see basic bible truth.

You guys are demonstrating that.

 

[LTL]

Lol
I run circles around you.
Even expose your one and only verse that you guys reframe belligerently.

The pretrib rapture doctrine has about 5 times the verses on the table as your talking points. ( what...1 verse?)

Every one of you guys eventually goes to slander and name calling, insisting pretribbers get all our doctrine from satan.

I can feel your desperation.

P1,
There is "not" a pre-tribulation rapture.
You will not escape the tribulation.
The verses you rely upon are about other things.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
You have been deceived by Lucifer.

 

[Psalm1]

The first resurrection extends throughout the thousand years. Then at the end of the thousand years is the second resurrection in mass. Of the second resurrection, many will die the second physical death because they continue to reject Jesus Christ. That is, no one can sustain a resurrected body, only Jesus Christ. Thus, anyone rejecting Jesus Christ looses their resurrected body.

The pattern is:
1) resurrection
2) rejection of Jesus Christ (every knee must bow)
3) resurrected body dies
In the end, anyone rejecting Jesus Christ can only exist in spirit, to be Lucifer's whipping boy.

On the other hand, the individuals of the spiritually dead who accept Jesus Christ have this pattern:
1) resurrection
2) acceptance of Jesus Christ
3) resurrected body lives, because Jesus Christ sustains the resurrected body
For these spiritually dead, they live in a resurrected body but can not live with Christ because they are laden with sin.

QUOTE
"The first resurrection extends throughout the thousand years."

Where is this in scripture?

 

[Psalm1]

P1,
There is "not" a pre-tribulation rapture.
You will not escape the tribulation.
The verses you rely upon are about other things.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
You have been deceived by Lucifer.

Sad you can not Biblically defend your theory.
Stop agreeing with the devil.
May be difficult, since you invoke lucifer over and over against God's people.

But that nastiness pretty much defines most pretrib rapture haters.
You guys not only hate sound doctrine, you hate us as well.
Sad

 

[Psalm1]

Okay, now you know.
The U. S. is mentioned in scripture as Egypt.
Everyone knows that the Savior uses metaphors.
His parables are laden with metaphor.
Throughout his ministry, he used metaphors.
Throughout scripture, he uses metaphors.
Just because you refuse to see them does not mean they are not there.

No

The USA is not Egypt.

 

[Psalm1]

That is a crazy and false doctrine.

The fall of Babylon storyline (Rev. 17-21) shows
1) that Babylon falls (Rev. 17-18),
2) and then the bride is gathered to the groom (Rev. 19:1-10)
3) which is followed by the winepress (Rev. 19:11-21), ending the beast and his false prophet
4) followed by the midpoint (see Rev. 15:2 from the mark of the beast storyline).

That is, the above items are in the 3.5-year tribulation.

There is only an exodus during this period, as shown in Rev. 12:5, and a harvest of saints (Rev. 12:14).

And the false doctrine about "worthy" ones is silly. The saints of God (Rev. 13:7) must wait until the harvest, and many will die as stated in Rev. 12:11.

There is no pre-trib rapture. Please get that straight in your mind. It is a trap set by Lucifer to erode the confidence of the saints.

QUOTE
"2) and then the bride is gathered to the groom (Rev. 19:1-10)"

Reread it.
It SAYS... THEY ARE ALREADY in heaven, BEFORE the white horses, WITH THEM MOUNTED ON THEM, RETURN TO EARTH.

You just made a case for the saints being in heaven during the trib and you have no clue that you did it.

 

[LTL]

Show me the verse.

KJV
"The testimony of Jesus Christ" is the metaphorical phrase meaning "to live till I come" (John 21:22-24).
John has "the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 1:9).
The angel showing John the vision has "the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 19:10).
The ones who keep the saying of the Book of Revelation have "the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 22:8-9).
These are the ones who will see Jesus Christ.
They will live till Jesus Christ comes.
These are translated individuals not subject to death until after Jesus Christ comes.

 

[LTL]

No

The USA is not Egypt.

I showed you the verse as you asked. And yet you deny the truth.
Look at it this way.
Isaiah is a prophet for our time. Therefore, read this book with the metaphors substituted. For example, Isa. 30

"Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me;
and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:
2That walk to go down into Egypt (the U.S.),
and have not asked at my mouth (the Davidic King);
to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh (the U.S. president),
and to trust in the shadow of Egypt! (the U.S.
3Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh (the U.S. president)
be your shame, and the trust in the shadow of Egypt (the U.S. is the shadow of the type of Egypt)
your confusion.
4For his princes (advisers)
were at Zoan (DC),
and his ambassadors came to Hanes (Moscow).
5They were all ashamed of a people that could not profit them (Israel),
nor be an help nor profit, but a shame, and also a reproach (Israel).

Now Verses 1-5 are restated in Verse 6.

6The burden (weight on their shoulders)
of the beasts (government leaders)
of the south (Egypt from above)
into the land of trouble and anguish, (Israel)
from whence come the young and old lion, (from where come the servants of Jesus Christ and the Davidic King)
the viper and fiery flying serpent, (the Davidic King and his servants the 144,000)
they (the U.S. government leaders)
will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses, (via young men)
and their treasures upon the bunches of camels, (transported by young men)
to a people that shall not profit them. (Russia)

Are you blind? Can you not read the metaphors?

 

[LTL]

QUOTE
"2) and then the bride is gathered to the groom (Rev. 19:1-10)"

Reread it.
It SAYS... THEY ARE ALREADY in heaven, BEFORE the white horses, WITH THEM MOUNTED ON THEM, RETURN TO EARTH.

You just made a case for the saints being in heaven during the trib and you have no clue that you did it.

Heaven in the Book of Revelation is the earth in most cases. On rare occasions, it is literal. But not in the above verses.

 

[Psalm1]

KJV
"The testimony of Jesus Christ" is the metaphorical phrase meaning "to live till I come" (John 21:22-24).
John has "the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 1:9).
The angel showing John the vision has "the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 19:10).
The ones who keep the saying of the Book of Revelation have "the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 22:8-9).
These are the ones who will see Jesus Christ.
They will live till Jesus Christ comes.
These are translated individuals not subject to death until after Jesus Christ comes.

I am guessing you are trying to.make that verse in Rev 3 go away?
Rev 3:10
"Because thou hast kept the
word of my patience, I also
will keep thee from the hour of
temptation, which shall come
upon all the world, to try them
that dwell upon the earth."

Jesus also said in
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

So really, you need both of those to go away.
They are not taught by your teachers, because we had to point it out to them.

Is there a weird reframing of Luke 21 that you have come up with ?

Maybe both verses are plain and mean what they say?

 

[Psalm1]

I showed you the verse as you asked. And yet you deny the truth.
Look at it this way.
Isaiah is a prophet for our time. Therefore, read this book with the metaphors substituted. For example, Isa. 30

"Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me;
and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:
2That walk to go down into Egypt (the U.S.),
and have not asked at my mouth (the Davidic King);
to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh (the U.S. president),
and to trust in the shadow of Egypt! (the U.S.
3Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh (the U.S. president)
be your shame, and the trust in the shadow of Egypt (the U.S. is the shadow of the type of Egypt)
your confusion.
4For his princes (advisers)
were at Zoan (DC),
and his ambassadors came to Hanes (Moscow).
5They were all ashamed of a people that could not profit them (Israel),
nor be an help nor profit, but a shame, and also a reproach (Israel).

Now Verses 1-5 are restated in Verse 6.

6The burden (weight on their shoulders)
of the beasts (government leaders)
of the south (Egypt from above)
into the land of trouble and anguish, (Israel)
from whence come the young and old lion, (from where come the servants of Jesus Christ and the Davidic King)
the viper and fiery flying serpent, (the Davidic King and his servants the 144,000)
they (the U.S. government leaders)
will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses, (via young men)
and their treasures upon the bunches of camels, (transported by young men)
to a people that shall not profit them. (Russia)

Are you blind? Can you not read the metaphors?

You can insert whatever you like.
Put China in there.
Put Canada in there.
Put Europe in there.
They all fit.

 

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Heaven in the Book of Revelation is the earth in most cases. On rare occasions, it is literal. But not in the above verses.

Rev 19
1And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

Nope
The scene is definately heaven.
Saying it isn't is bizarre.

Why do you need it to be reframed?
Is it a doctrinal dilemma that the saints are in heaven during the trib?

 

[Psalm1]

Heaven in the Book of Revelation is the earth in most cases. On rare occasions, it is literal. But not in the above verses.

I just did a quick skim
There are over 50 references of the word "heaven" in Rev .
I skimmed the context of each.
EVERY ONE OF THEM referenced heaven.
(The place where the throne is)
A Few of them say "heaven and earth"

But you say "earth" can be inserted instead if "heaven"?

Not in my bible.
Not in any bible.

 

[Psalm1]

Ok
So far, LTL has been 100% wrong on every passage.
100% wrong