You obviously have a different Bible and a different salvation. I can assure you of this: if you do not have eternal life now, you will face God as your judge, not as your Justifier.
Is Salvation instantaneous and permanent?
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one savior, one salvation, one new covenant!
was Jesus speaking to only jews?
Luke 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
was Paul speaking only to gentiles?
phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
heb 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
no there is one new covenant that Christ reformed from the old!
heb 9:10-11
thks
it's the reformation and fundamentalists thats screwy.
God is not the source of confusion & division!
The so called reformation (revolt) is the cause of confusion and division, by thier fruits you shall know them
a house divided cannot stand, its built on shifting sand!
The so called reformers had no authority from Christ or union with Christ!
This also applies to the rogue preachers of the fundamentalist age that followed.
Jesus Christ established one church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! mt 28:19
Christ and His church have unbreakable unity!
Mt 28:20
acts 9:4
eph 5:32
Truth and the church are of divine origin and CANNOT be reformed any more than God can be reformed by the tradition of men!
Christians must be instructed!
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)
The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)
Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
1 tim 3:15
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…
No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3
Our Holy Religion "truth & the church" are revealed by God and have a divine origin and cannot be reformed, they are immutable!
thks
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
it's the reformation and fundamentalists thats screwy.
God is not the source of confusion & division!
The so called reformation (revolt) is the cause of confusion and division, by thier fruits you shall know them
a house divided cannot stand, its built on shifting sand!
The so called reformers had no authority from Christ or union with Christ!
This also applies to the rogue preachers of the fundamentalist age that followed.
Jesus Christ established one church to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! mt 28:19
Christ and His church have unbreakable unity!
Mt 28:20
acts 9:4
eph 5:32
Truth and the church are of divine origin and CANNOT be reformed any more than God can be reformed by the tradition of men!
Christians must be instructed!
cont.
Christians must be instructed!
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)
The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)
Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
1 tim 3:15
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…
No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3
Our Holy Religion "truth & the church" are revealed by God and have a divine origin and cannot be reformed, they are immutable!
thks
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
mt 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved
rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
we now have the initial grace of justification that gives us union with God in Christ!
Amen?
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)
The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)
Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
1 tim 3:15
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…
No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3
Our Holy Religion "truth & the church" are revealed by God and have a divine origin and cannot be reformed, they are immutable!
thks
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
mt 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved
rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
we now have the initial grace of justification that gives us union with God in Christ!
Amen?
mt 25:24-30
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
thks
union
By the grace of justification received by faith and baptism we have union with God thru Christ, in the communion of saints, empowered by grace and life in the spirit to attain to eternal salvation on glory!
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing.
phil 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
(((Union with Christ)))
ps 23:4 Thou art with me...
col 1:26-27
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Eph 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
gal 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:7
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
Jn 15:4
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Jn 15:5 Apart from me you can do nothing.
phil 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
thks
the initial grace of justification is a gratuitous (free) gift that provides us with union with God in Christ by grace but it is not eternal salvation
eternal salvation cannot be lost but we can!
(( will never inherit the kingdom of God or attain to eternal salvation ))
mt 25:30
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(what if they walk after the flesh?)
Gal 6:7-8
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
we can fall from grace by deady sin that kills grace and separates us from God!
Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
sin unto death
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
1 John 5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sinwhich is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sinunto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
thks
For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life,
leads to life not begins with eternal salvation
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
1 Peter 1:9
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
not the beginning
the means of salvation is the same as the purpose for which we were created
to know, love, and serve God!
Lk 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
thks
You say a lot of words....
And, understand what?
How much can you explain?
we do have eternal life just not eternal salvation
eternal life is the life of God called grace
1 cor 13:2 have not charity, this is grace the life of God, and God is love! 1 Jn 4:8 heb 12:29
2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthenvessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
we can merit an increase of grace and must do so per 2 pet 3:18
thks
yes there is only one covenant one apostolic church founded by Christ!
covenants
adam: marrige
noah: family
abraham: tribal
moses: national
Jesus Christ: universal (Catholic)
thks
Christ and His apostles!
heb 1:1-2 mt 28:19
more?
ok
The church is an extension of Christ!
Mt 16:18-19 Jn 10:16 Gal 4:16
one true church!
Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17
matt 28:19
Jn 20:21-23
acts 1:8
acts 2:42
acts 16:17
acts 17:18
the apostolic church commanded to teach, sanctify, and govern!
same ministry, power, and authority as Christ!
If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8
Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12
The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14
Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3
The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17
Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6
Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17
Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8
The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15
The gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against the one, holy, Catholics,
& apostolic church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles!
Matt 16:18-19
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation of all men! matt 28:19-20
Christ and His church are one: Acts 9:4 mystical communion: eph 5:32
thks
Our good works after we receive the grace of justification are transformed by grace and performed in grace united with Christ and given life of the spirit because of God's grace operating in us! (Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? nothing! Phil 4:13 in Christ? all things!)
The means of our salvation is according to the purpose of our creation!
To Know, Love, & serve God!
Col 1:9-12
9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Ps 23:3 ...he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Mt 7:14 Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
thks
thats true!
first we have grace eternal life and if we persevere to death we shall assuredly enter into eternal salvation
we can lose eternal life or grace but not eternal salvation!
Amen?
Peter warned that false teachers would creep in his congregation right after he was gone!!!!!!!
2 Peter 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.
They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—
Bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Note!
Among Peter's own congregation!
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.
So much for the succession of popes.
The Reformation was when believers finally having enough, wanted to get back to real Biblical understanding.You follow the Bible?
And call no man father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. Matthew 23:9-11
That was not about calling your parent 'father.'
Jesus spoke of titles of positions held by men in authority!
Now what?
Are you going to go ask father McMahan if what I said is true?
I grew up with Catholics.
Most of my friends and playmates were Catholics.
I have nothing against Catholics as a people.
My Catholic friends who finally began studying the Bible will mostly agree with me.
Stop with that!
You believed in Jesus.
And, you got saved.
You presently need to complicate things to try to compensate for the deficiency you now suffer from.
You need good bible teaching.