what townYes it is. I am blessed with a beautiful view over the sea from my living room window. Even in bad weather, it's a great view!
what townYes it is. I am blessed with a beautiful view over the sea from my living room window. Even in bad weather, it's a great view!
Paignton, near Torquay on the south coast of Devon.what town
been to both, love itPaignton, near Torquay on the south coast of Devon.
I was also in Mindhead and Dunster Castle, the whole area made me think, this is what the kingdom will look like.been to both, love it
Minehead and Dunster are both beautiful places. I'm sure the kingdom of heaven will be far more beautiful.I was also in Mindhead and Dunster Castle, the whole area made me think, this is what the kingdom will look like.
Could you show me the chapters and verses?The Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) explicitly depict/identify the Last Supper as a Passover meal.
Member of the brideIts interesting that both of you mentioned the first born. Would one or both of you comment on the tradition of the first born son to show how the story of the 30 pieces of silver fit into it?
Could you show me the chapters and verses?
Thank you…..
As an addition to clarify some points that most folks are unaware of…….the time of death on crucifixion day was 3:00 p.m. and is prophetically referred to in most major Old Testament verses as (evening) or in some cases (twilight). This error comes from Middle Ages translators not quite understanding Biblical Hebrew Or Hebrew traditions themselves.Could you show me the chapters and verses?
Thank you…..
As an addition to clarify some points that most folks are unaware of…….the time of death on crucifixion day was 3:00 p.m. and is prophetically referred to in most major Old Testament verses as (evening) or in some cases (twilight). This error comes from Middle Ages translators not quite understanding Biblical Hebrew Or Hebrew traditions themselves.
This false translation leads to other error in the Passover week timeline. Most folks read that and will think that Messiah died at sunset…..others shortly thereafter. I believe this confusion is corrected simply by reading a Literal Translation…..both Hebrew and Greek. It is somewhat difficult as Literal translations do not have the harmonious flow as say…..the KJV and other more recent translations.
Here is an example of what I mean:
KJV (Exodus 12:6) And they shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the EVENING?
By this erroneous translation many come to believe what I outlined above…..the time of death.
Here is the literal from “ Young’s Literal Translation:
YLT (Exodus 12:6) and it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it “between the evenings”.
The Hebrews observed two evenings (plural) each day……one at high noon when the sun was EVEN overhead and the other when the sun was EVEN with the horizon. Between the two EVENS was about 3:00 p.m. when the lambs were slaughtered on Passover preparation (the 14th) and when our Savior took His last breath.
So…..it would behoove you to think midafternoon when you read evening or twilight in most modern Old Testament translations……because they make the same mistake as did King James.
Hawkeye,, again, thank you
I have known "Between the evenings" is not sunset as some teach.
This confirms what I found to be the truth decades ago.
Member of the bride
Interesting observation about the occasional differences in the religious calendar used in Galilee and Jerusalem. This was based on the Galilean Jews measuring a day from sunup to sunup and the Jerusalem Jews from sundown to sundown. However, the followers of Jesus came from Galilee, but that does not explain why 3 Gospels place the execution of Jesus after Passover and John places before the passover meal. The 3 agreeing Gospels leave us with Good Friday. However, if Jesus was crucified on Friday and arose on Sunday morning, then He was only in the grave for 2 nights (Friday and Saturday). If John is correct, then Jesus was in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights.
It's not John that is correct, it is Jesus Christ.. He said twice I will be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights-- 72 hours
He bled to death at our 3 PM, was in the tomb moments before sundown on Wednesday 1/14/31 AD. Passover fell on a Wednesday in 31AD. therefore; He rose from the grave moments before sunset on the Sabbath. exactly 3 days and 3 nights.
You have been very gracious in your “thanks” and I do appreciate it very much……but you’re probably going to be upset by this post as it basically overturns everything most folks believe about (Matthew 12:40).
I learned the following from an old guy about 60 years ago (I’m pretty old myself) who seemed to grasp many things in scripture that most folks misunderstood…..and he made it sound very simple. He wasn’t connected to any particular faith or sect…..he said he just believed what he read. He was the one who convinced me to verify scripture by reading what the literal languages said and not some opinion by a translator with a particular theological bent.
The “Heart of the Earth” is not the tomb. It is a metaphor describing the political and administrative rule of the Roman Empire that directed and controlled just about anything that took place in the civilized world at that time. It also insured through thorough and pointed directives that “Pax Romana” would be in place no matter what happened. This was the world of our Messiah.
There are numerous references to the three days in which Yeshua informed all that He would be in the Heart of the Earth…..
Let us look. I will paraphrase as I expect readers to check their own bibles.
Matthew 16:21…..He would suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priest and others and He would be killed and on the third day raised back to life.
Third day from what?
Matthew 20:19…..He will be condemned, turned over to Gentiles…..mocked, flogged and crucified. On the third day He will be raised to life.
Third day from what?
Mark 9:31…..He will be betrayed into the hands of men and will be killed. After three days He will rise.
Third day from what?
Mark 10:33-34…..They will go to Jerusalem and He will be betrayed to the chief priests, and teachers of the Law. They will condemn Him, turn Him over to Gentiles who will then mock, spit on Him, flog Him and kill Him. Three das later He will rise?
Three days from what?
Luke 9:22…..He said the “Son of Man” must suffer many things, be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law. He will then be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
Third day from what?
Luke 18:32-33…..He will be handed over to Gentiles, mocked, insulted, spit on, flogged and then killed. On the third day He will rise again.
Third day from what.
So far nothing has been said about any tomb or even burial.
Luke 24:7…..He must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified…..then raised to life on the third day.
Third day from what?
Luke 24:13-21…..The third day two disciples were going to Emmaus….seven miles from Jerusalem and encountered Yeshua while discussing the events of the last few days. They did not recognize Him and He asked what exactly are you folks talking about? They were incredulous that He seemed not to know what had taken place during these last three days and Cleopas answered Him after He had asked…..”What things have happened”?
Cleopas then explained exactly what had occurred and just who they were talking about. Here’s what He said.
We’re talking about Yeshua of Nazareth….a prophet powerful in word and deed before Yahweh and all the people. The chief priests and our rulers handed Him over to be sentenced to death and then they crucified Him! And what is more……it is now the third day since ALL THESE THINGS took place.
He was arrested, tried by the Sanhedrin, mocked, spit upon …..then turned over to the Romans who flogged Him, placed a wreath of thorns on His head, sentenced Him to death and then crucified Him……all during the three days.
He died as the lambs were being slaughtered in the temple on the day of preparation for the passover…..between the evenings…..or as about 3:00 p.m. modern time.
Notice ………many things were being done to Him according to Cleopas during these three days so He did not repose in the tomb for three days and three nights. A good portion of that time was spent suffering for us.
There is more to the story which I’m sure I’ll discuss later…….because of curious questions.
I’m glad I was of help….my friend. Via con Dino’s……hawkeye we may not be on the exact same page and by the way I am 86, been at this for almost 60 years.
but let me explain what you help me finalize,
Christ fulfilled the Passover sacrifice 'between the evening' at our 3 PM
He fulfilled the afternoon daily Sacrifice which also is at 3 PM
When He returned to the Father Sunday morning, He did so at 9 AM which is the morning daily sacrifice
Christ fulfilled all three sacrifices, all three were set in place showing the events that were to come.
I don’t know why that came out the way it did…….but Dinos of course should be Dios…..with no apostrophe!I’m glad I was of help….my friend. Via con Dino’s……
All 4 Gospels describe that Jesus's tomb was found empty on Sunday, first day of the week. None identify the Sabbath (Saturday) as the announcement of the empty tomb and none claim He rose from the grave on Saturday.It's not John that is correct, it is Jesus Christ.. He said twice I will be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights-- 72 hours
He bled to death at our 3 PM, was in the tomb moments before sundown on Wednesday 1/14/31 AD. Passover fell on a Wednesday in 31AD. therefore; He rose from the grave moments before sunset on the Sabbath. exactly 3 days and 3 nights.
Scholars and historians widely agree that Jesus was crucified in the spring, during the governorship of Pontius Pilate (which spanned AD 26 to 36). The two most historically and astronomically plausible years are AD 30 and AD 33.The exact year remains a topic of historical debate among biblical scholars:AD 30 (April 7): Many historians favor this year as it fits within the traditional early-to-mid career of Pilate and aligns with the approximate 30-year span of Jesus' life.AD 33 (April 3): Many scholars and theologians favor this date. This year best accommodates the longer three-and-a-half-year duration of Jesus' public ministry. It also coincides with a recorded astronomical event (a partial lunar eclipse) that matches biblical descriptions of the day.All 4 Gospels describe that Jesus's tomb was found empty on Sunday, first day of the week. None identify the Sabbath (Saturday) as the announcement of the empty tomb and none claim He rose from the grave on Saturday.
I’m not sure I understand your post. Are you suggesting that maybe there are some scholars and historians who don’t agree that the crucifixion took place in the springtime…..or is the term “widely” just a non essential adverb?Scholars and historians widely agree that Jesus was crucified in the spring, during the governorship of Pontius Pilate (which spanned AD 26 to 36). The two most historically and astronomically plausible years are AD 30 and AD 33.The exact year remains a topic of historical debate among biblical scholars:AD 30 (April 7): Many historians favor this year as it fits within the traditional early-to-mid career of Pilate and aligns with the approximate 30-year span of Jesus' life.AD 33 (April 3): Many scholars and theologians favor this date. This year best accommodates the longer three-and-a-half-year duration of Jesus' public ministry. It also coincides with a recorded astronomical event (a partial lunar eclipse) that matches biblical descriptions of the day.