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Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I was under the impression that if you break one you break them all.
What is considered the least commandments?
But I notice also that you still remain in the kingdom just a lesser status.

Your thoughts?
 
God-fearing said:
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I was under the impression that if you break one you break them all.
What is considered the least commandments?
But I notice also that you still remain in the kingdom just a lesser status.

Your thoughts?
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Notice the verse before and the verse after Matt 5:19

Matt 5:18
For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Matt 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

The scribes and Pharisees do and teach (the) them in verse 19, and Jesus says that your righteousness must exceed theirs to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Now back up one more verse where Jesus declares the reason He came.
Matt 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
Jesus claim to exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees. They did and taught them, but not one had ever been able to successfully fulfill them.
These verses are written in regard to the context of The Fulfillment of the Law.

Luke 16:17 declares reflects what Matt 5:18 says in regard to the Law and the Prophets
But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for a single stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

Considering Jesus' declaration, "It is finished," in contrast to the concept that the passing away of heaven and earth being the condition that a single jot or stroke of the pen from the Law will disappear, as it's easier for that to happen than for a single stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law... one might think that Jesus came with an intention to dissolve the heaven and the earth.... :unsure:
 
Mem said:
Notice the verse before and the verse after Matt 5:19

Matt 5:18
For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Matt 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

The scribes and Pharisees do and teach (the) them in verse 19, and Jesus says that your righteousness must exceed theirs to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Now back up one more verse where Jesus declares the reason He came.
Matt 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
Jesus claim to exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees. They did and taught them, but not one had ever been able to successfully fulfill them.
These verses are written in regard to the context of The Fulfillment of the Law.

Luke 16:17 declares reflects what Matt 5:18 says in regard to the Law and the Prophets
But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for a single stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

Considering Jesus' declaration, "It is finished," in contrast to the concept that the passing away of heaven and earth being the condition that a single jot or stroke of the pen from the Law will disappear, as it's easier for that to happen than for a single stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law... one might think that Jesus came with an intention to dissolve the heaven and the earth.... :unsure:
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Don't start introducing context into the reading and understanding the Scripture.

Who ever read in context throughout all of Christian history?

Your a radical.
 
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Mem said:
Notice the verse before and the verse after Matt 5:19

Matt 5:18
For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Matt 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

The scribes and Pharisees do and teach (the) them in verse 19, and Jesus says that your righteousness must exceed theirs to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Now back up one more verse where Jesus declares the reason He came.
Matt 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
Jesus claim to exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees. They did and taught them, but not one had ever been able to successfully fulfill them.
These verses are written in regard to the context of The Fulfillment of the Law.

Luke 16:17 declares reflects what Matt 5:18 says in regard to the Law and the Prophets
But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for a single stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

Considering Jesus' declaration, "It is finished," in contrast to the concept that the passing away of heaven and earth being the condition that a single jot or stroke of the pen from the Law will disappear, as it's easier for that to happen than for a single stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law... one might think that Jesus came with an intention to dissolve the heaven and the earth.... :unsure:
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Yes, and this is why Heb. 7:11-10:1 teaches that salvation via obeying the old Levitical laws of Moses has been superseded by the new Gospel of Christ and cooperating with the HS.
 
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Jesus was explaining what the earthly kingdom would be like and that the faithful remnant that enters will be supernaturally changed by God to have the law written in their hearts. This is a different audience than the gentiles Paul wrote about the gospel of grace for the gentiles that did not require law keeping. People can find difficulty by trying to take everything Jesus describes and apply it to us today.
 
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timf said:
Jesus was explaining what the earthly kingdom would be like and that the faithful remnant that enters will be supernaturally changed by God to have the law written in their hearts. This is a different audience than the gentiles Paul wrote about the gospel of grace for the gentiles that did not require law keeping. People can find difficulty by trying to take everything Jesus describes and apply it to us today.
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Both Jesus and Paul had both present and future audiences,
and what they said regarding the Gospel applies to all humanity
(John 3:16, 1Tim. 2:3-4, Heb. 7:11-10:1).
 
God-fearing said:
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I was under the impression that if you break one you break them all.
What is considered the least commandments?
But I notice also that you still remain in the kingdom just a lesser status.

Your thoughts?
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In James 2, it does not say anything along the lines that if we break any law, the we won’t be saved or enter the Kingdom of God, but rather he was speaking to people who were picking and choosing which laws to follow and making the point that breaking any law is a sin from which we need to repent. Some consider the least commandment to be to not take the mother bird with her eggs.
 
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Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I was under the impression that if you break one you break them all.
What is considered the least commandments?
But I notice also that you still remain in the kingdom just a lesser status.

Your thoughts?
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It's a moot question. The law has been replaced. There is a new law, the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

"For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God." Galatians 2:19. Tell me what laws apply to dead people?

"But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." Romans 7:6.

"All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3: 1-12

When you follow the law, you are not living by faith. That means that you are not pleasing God.

"Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." Galatians 3:23-25

The law does not save us and neither does it make us righteous. "Whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it." James 2:10

"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:18

"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Romans 8:14
 
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Gideon300 said:
It's a moot question. The law has been replaced. There is a new law, the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

"For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God." Galatians 2:19. Tell me what laws apply to dead people?

"But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." Romans 7:6.

"All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3: 1-12

When you follow the law, you are not living by faith. That means that you are not pleasing God.

"Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." Galatians 3:23-25

The law does not save us and neither does it make us righteous. "Whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it." James 2:10

"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:18

"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Romans 8:14
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Yes, moot, but yet, your reply prompts this thought re Matt; 5:19:
If we do not cooperate with the HS in a small way, we are no longer perfectly Spirit-filled,
and thus we need to confess that small sin in order to be forgiven of all sins (1John 1:7)
and be refilled by the Spirit, walking with Him again. Dots connected?
 
God-fearing said:
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I was under the impression that if you break one you break them all.
What is considered the least commandments?
But I notice also that you still remain in the kingdom just a lesser status.

Your thoughts?
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James 2:10- "whosoever believeth on the whole law but yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all". it doesn't mean if you get drunk you also stole groceries. God's laws are designed to work together as a whole unit. look into this & you will see they all do combine as working together. there's no harm done thinking all laws are broke as it may give someone the idea: "aught oh, i better be careful here & not sin". it certainly is a fine reminder to keep your behavior at check always. sometimes what we don't do is sin like helping a neighbor, tithing, witnessing, etc.
 
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Yes, moot, but yet, your reply prompts this thought re Matt; 5:19:
If we do not cooperate with the HS in a small way, we are no longer perfectly Spirit-filled,
and thus we need to confess that small sin in order to be forgiven of all sins (1John 1:7)
and be refilled by the Spirit, walking with Him again. Dots connected?
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Yes it does prompt....James says we are guilty of all by breaking just one.
As I read matt 5:19 jesus says breaking even the least you will be considered the least .....but what got me is in the kingdom of heaven.
 
God-fearing said:
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I was under the impression that if you break one you break them all.
What is considered the least commandments?
But I notice also that you still remain in the kingdom just a lesser status.

Your thoughts?
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If you read Jesus teachings it’s discernment . Is it more important to tithe ? Or share with those in need we can effectually help in the moment ? Am I actually honoring my parents , if they need help but I tell them “ I would help you but all I have I’m tithing with “ ?

jesus talks a lot about this discernment in his teachings until we learn that the commands motivated by Gods love for each of us are the ones to follow nd not so much the ones that are for self approval and show
 
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Yes it does prompt....James says we are guilty of all by breaking just one.
As I read matt 5:19 jesus says breaking even the least you will be considered the least .....but what got me is in the kingdom of heaven.
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Yes, James says we are guilty of all sins by breaking just one,
and 1John 1:9 says we are forgiven of all sins by confessing just the known ones.
 
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God-fearing said:
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I was under the impression that if you break one you break them all.
What is considered the least commandments?
But I notice also that you still remain in the kingdom just a lesser status.

Your thoughts?
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Probably, as a youth, stealing a candy bar from the corner store would be an example of breaking the least of the commandments. At least, that was my understanding, when, as a youth I was led out of the store in handcuffs by a police officer.
 
So much more to this pffft....The Pharisees divided the Law into 613 commandments, 248 commands "do" and 356 prohibitions "do not". And they debated about which commandment was the greatest. He reacted against the idea that the OT the Law was a collection of unrelated commands. Christ taught Scriptures are indivisible that even the smallest detail is significant. The kingdom of heaven does distinguish between the greatest and the least, there are seemingly levels of holiness and an order of reward. Faithfulness and unfaithfulness are one standard for measuring this difference in reward but not the only one.
 
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