“How are the things forbidden by the Lord God applied in today’s generation?”

[Soyeong]

DEUTORONOMY 14:6-8
6 And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.

7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; therefore they are unclean unto you.

8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

Jesus and the Apostles quoted from the OT hundreds of times in order to support what they were saying, so it doesn't work for someone to take the position that we should follow what they said but not what they considered to be an authoritative source. For example, Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the moth of God, so he affirmed God as being being an authoritative source. In Deuteronomy 12:32, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the Law of Moses. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for him is if they speak against obeying the Law of Moses, so there are not good grounds for interpreting Jesus or the Apostles as speaking against obeying what God spoke in Deuteronomy 14 in regard to refraining from eating unclean animals. If someone considers Jesus and the Apostles to be servants of God, then they should be opposed to interpreting them as speaking against obeying the Law of Moses, and if someone thinks that they should be interpreted as speaking against obeying the Law of Moses, then they should be opposed to considering them to be servants of God, but Deuteronomy 13 does not leave any room for anyone to consider them to be servant of God while also thinking that they should be interpreted as speaking against obeying the Law of Moses.

The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character traits (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, so those who believe in the existence of the God who has the character traits that the Law of Moses was given in order to teach how to embody will express that belief through their works by following Christ's example of obedience to it.

 

[memberofthebride]

Jesus and the Apostles quoted from the OT hundreds of times in order to support what they were saying, so it doesn't work for someone to take the position that we should follow what they said but not what they considered to be an authoritative source. For example, Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the moth of God, so he affirmed God as being being an authoritative source. In Deuteronomy 12:32, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the Law of Moses. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for him is if they speak against obeying the Law of Moses, so there are not good grounds for interpreting Jesus or the Apostles as speaking against obeying what God spoke in Deuteronomy 14 in regard to refraining from eating unclean animals. If someone considers Jesus and the Apostles to be servants of God, then they should be opposed to interpreting them as speaking against obeying the Law of Moses, and if someone thinks that they should be interpreted as speaking against obeying the Law of Moses, then they should be opposed to considering them to be servants of God, but Deuteronomy 13 does not leave any room for anyone to consider them to be servant of God while also thinking that they should be interpreted as speaking against obeying the Law of Moses.

The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character traits (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, so those who believe in the existence of the God who has the character traits that the Law of Moses was given in order to teach how to embody will express that belief through their works by following Christ's example of obedience to it.

even so the Many will find ways around obeying,

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

and please, the House of Israel, known as the lost 10 tribes, when did they show up at Pentecost, was that both Ephraim and Manasseh and the other 9 tribes?

And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Acts 2:5 ​

Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Acts 2:22​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The 2nd exodus occurs AFTER Christ has returned

Total fantasy

 

[Godsgood]

Aside from the animals which are written in Deut 14:6-8.
Can you name another Animals?

1. Which animals have split hooves and chew the cud, and are allowed to be eaten?
2. Which animals chew the cud but do not have split hooves, and therefore should not be eaten?
3. Which animals have split hooves but do not chew the cud and should not be eaten too?

There are groups in Christianity today that prohibit eating pork, while other groups do not. Which one is true?

 

[memberofthebride]

And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Acts 2:5 ​

Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Acts 2:22​

I wonder what is going on here??

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim,
and the tribes of Israel his fellows,
and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel;
and one king shall be king to them all:

and they shall be no more two nations,

neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I wonder what is going on here??

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim,
and the tribes of Israel his fellows,
and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel;
and one king shall be king to them all:

and they shall be no more two nations,

neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Judah and Israel were joined back together as one holy nation at Pentecost

And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Acts 2:5​

But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: Acts 2:14​

Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Acts 2:22​

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Acts 2:41​

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But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 1 Peter 2:9​

 

[pinebeach]

when I read the words of Jesus Christ they do not match Paul's and that is explained by Peter.

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable--- wrest, (twist) as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Jesus Christ --GOD -- that made man and all things that have been made, has repeatedly told us to obey, to do the Commandments and that what ever those that sit (rule from) in Moses seat what ever they tell you do do THAT DO ; all that the Torah says to DO
Plus HE told us HE did not come to destroy the Torah

in spite of all Christ taught --- The Many follow Paul's twist-able words -- why?? they appear to say no one has to do any thing, God is fine if you just utter a few word.. and go on as you were.

no Commandments
eat all the hogs and clams you want
keep Xmas, easter, sunday or what ever you want
because there are no longer any rules -- you are under grace

I can not follow Paul's words --- the MANY have twisted--- And I will not!

If the Torah has been abolished, wouldn't that mean Jesus Christ must cancel the Time of the End??

That sounds like a you problem. You are simply choosing what you are going to believe and that is not how the Bible works.

I do not need your permission for what I eat or do. The law is not abolished and no one said it was. That, is a sad defense for those of the Sabbath worship crowd who continually try to manipulate the truth of others by saying that is what people outside of your scripture mashup think/say/believe.

The law was fullfilled because that is what God demanded. Perfection. You cannot please God trying to win points for your attempts or 'so there' attitude. If you desire perfection, seek Christ and He will enable you to have that through faith in Him.
Otherwise, you are still actually judged by the law which will result in death and separation from God.

All that is scripture and you will find it when you partake of ALL of the Bible and stop picking and choosing what suits you because you look for things to supply foundation for what you already believe rather than allow the words of scripture to teach you what is
truth.

Jesus said that He is Truth. If you teacher(s) are not Jesus, or do not understand He fullfilled the law on our behalf, then you are being taught error.

 

[memberofthebride]

That sounds like a you problem. You are simply choosing what you are going to believe and that is not how the Bible works.

I do not need your permission for what I eat or do. The law is not abolished and no one said it was. That, is a sad defense for those of the Sabbath worship crowd who continually try to manipulate the truth of others by saying that is what people outside of your scripture mashup think/say/believe.

The law was fullfilled because that is what God demanded. Perfection. You cannot please God trying to win points for your attempts or 'so there' attitude. If you desire perfection, seek Christ and He will enable you to have that through faith in Him.
Otherwise, you are still actually judged by the law which will result in death and separation from God.

All that is scripture and you will find it when you partake of ALL of the Bible and stop picking and choosing what suits you because you look for things to supply foundation for what you already believe rather than allow the words of scripture to teach you what is
truth.

Jesus said that He is Truth. If you teacher(s) are not Jesus, or do not understand He fullfilled the law on our behalf, then you are being taught error.

I understand what you are saying; Christ kept the Law so you would no longer have to ---if that makes sense to you -- I can not offer any thing.

by the way the word "fulfilled" also means "fill to the full", and how you make fulfilled mean "I do not have to do it" is beyond me.

and could you explain all the the statements Christ made in that chapter says we are to keep the Law?

 

[pinebeach]

I understand what you are saying; Christ kept the Law so you would no longer have to ---if that makes sense to you -- I can not offer any thing.

by the way the word "fulfilled" also means "fill to the full", and how you make fulfilled mean "I do not have to do it" is beyond me.

and could you explain all the the statements Christ made in that chapter says we are to keep the Law?

Is not even close to what I am saying and what I am saying is that humans cannot keep the law yet God demands perfection SO, He sent His only begotten Son to identify with us mere mortals by dying an undeserved death as a sinner, taking our well deserved place. As He was sinless, He fulfilled the law by living perfection on this earth and as a sinless human/but still God, He kept what we cannot keep....the law and that is why we are declared righteous in Christ. It is His righteousness that has been bestowed on us in order that we can have relationship restored with God our Father and Creator.

Please stop saying that we or me or those outside of Sabbath keepers think we can live any way we want and sin like a boatload of pagan sailors because it is not true. Therefore, every time you say that is what we believe, you misrepresent others which, at this point, after being told many many times we do not believe we can sin and live any way we want, amounts to false witness against another believer in Christ.

See, I have gone past the gospels and understand why Christ died and why He had to die. Therefore, until you venture past John and study the relevant NT apart from the gospels which indicate Jesus life on earth and not really why He had to die or what resulted from that death, we are not able to come to any understanding since you willfully have decided you prefer not to bother past the gospels. That is your choice.

Tell me, how many people do you know have kept the law to perfection and do not need a Savior?

 

[Charlesiii]

There are groups in Christianity today that prohibit eating pork, while other groups do not. Which one is true?

(I think those might be Muslims or Jews...)

 

[memberofthebride]

Is not even close to what I am saying and what I am saying is that humans cannot keep the law yet God demands perfection SO, He sent His only begotten Son to identify with us mere mortals by dying an undeserved death as a sinner, taking our well deserved place. As He was sinless, He fulfilled the law by living perfection on this earth and as a sinless human/but still God, He kept what we cannot keep....the law and that is why we are declared righteous in Christ. It is His righteousness that has been bestowed on us in order that we can have relationship restored with God our Father and Creator.

Please stop saying that we or me or those outside of Sabbath keepers think we can live any way we want and sin like a boatload of pagan sailors because it is not true. Therefore, every time you say that is what we believe, you misrepresent others which, at this point, after being told many many times we do not believe we can sin and live any way we want, amounts to false witness against another believer in Christ.

See, I have gone past the gospels and understand why Christ died and why He had to die. Therefore, until you venture past John and study the relevant NT apart from the gospels which indicate Jesus life on earth and not really why He had to die or what resulted from that death, we are not able to come to any understanding since you willfully have decided you prefer not to bother past the gospels. That is your choice.

Tell me, how many people do you know have kept the law to perfection and do not need a Savior?

tell me, how many people do you know have kept the law to perfection and do not need a Savior

if we are to no longer keep the Law, then we do not need a savior to pay for our sins --
you can not have it both ways.
either we must repent from sinning and sin no more or there is no more sin to repent of.
2 plus 2 must = 4

I keep it much better than I did 60 years ago -- still not perfect but no longer need to repent 360 times or more a day.

here is something to think about, if Congress just kept the Commandment against lying, the whole country would change over night.
But I think they are in the same churches as most are on this site --- Christ did not lie, so they can.

 

[Godsgood]

(I think those might be Muslims or Je

(I think those might be Muslims or Jews...)

 

[Godsgood]

(I think those might be Muslims or Jews...)

I'm referring to the group in Christianity today whose basis to salvation is also the holy Bible. They prohibit eating pork as it is written.

Again, which of them is truly right, those who do not enforce the prohibition against eating pork, or those who enforce that pork should not be eaten?

 

[Dino246]

I'm referring to the group in Christianity today whose basis to salvation is also the holy Bible. They prohibit eating pork as it is written.

Again, which of them is truly right, those who do not enforce the prohibition against eating pork, or those who enforce that pork should not be eaten?

“The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14‬:‭3‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Romans 14:3 (NIV) - The one who eats everything must no - Bible App

The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

bible.com

 

[Charlesiii]

I'm referring to the group in Christianity today whose basis to salvation is also the holy Bible. They prohibit eating pork as it is written.

Again, which of them is truly right, those who do not enforce the prohibition against eating pork, or those who enforce that pork should not be eaten?

Doesn't the book of Galatians explain this already?

 

[Dino246]

Doesn't the book of Galatians explain this already?

It does, but there are several members here who insist on holding Christians to the old covenant.

 

[Charlesiii]

It does, but there are several members here who insist on holding Christians to the old covenant.

Why don't they push circumcision anymore? It's always about not eating pork (or shellfish!), or resting on a Saturday, or not drinking alcohol, but never about circumcision! Why aren't Judaisers in the 21st century any fun?

 

[Dino246]

Why don't they push circumcision anymore? It's always about not eating pork (or shellfish!), or resting on a Saturday, or not drinking alcohol, but never about circumcision! Why aren't Judaisers in the 21st century any fun?

Ah, but...

The missing link is integrity. People who lack it are easy to identify because they usually want to push their misinterpretations on others without even acknowledging the inconsistencies in their own positions.

 

[frederickdoc]

Slavery ! worst is when they don't know they are inslaved ,!will hint "The person "