Revolution in Iran

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HeIsHere said:
Not really, it just extremely challenging for me to entertain any such ideas that the OT was not fulfilled in Christ Jesus... You should try it!
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Will you step up to the "TWO ELIAS-es" of Matt 17 challenge?

Nope. Nobody in your camp can or will.
You nor they have an answer, whereas I have answered well. Because of course the futurists are right. We are ALWAYS right, and have proven it unfailingly.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
They were regathered at Pentecost. Those regions are listed in Acts

And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:8-11​
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Ridiculous. This group is an absolutely miniscule fraction of the MILLIONS of dispersed Israelites. ALL of whom (every last one) will be gathered, not of their own ways and means, but by means of escort by the angelic host.

And you cannot (and never will) be able to answer the "two Elijah's" phenomenon of Matthew 17.

Matthew 24:31
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mar 13:27 - And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Isaiah 27:12-13
"And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord will thresh, from the channel of the River to the Brook of Egypt; and you will be gathered one by one, O you children of Israel. So it shall be in that day: the great trumpet will be blown..."

Ezekiel 39:28
"Then they shall know that I am the Lord their God, who sent them into captivity among the nations, but who also gathered them back to their land, and left none of them captive any longer [alternatively translated as: 'and have left none of them there anymore']."

Amos 9:9
"For surely I will command, and will sift the house of Israel among all nations, as grain is sifted in a sieve; yet not the smallest grain shall fall to the ground."
 
cv5 said:
What has that to do with the end of the times of the gentiles and the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel, the time of Jacobs trouble, and the final redemption of the Sons of Jacob the Nation Israel?
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Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

It has everything to do with the true identity of "The Circumcision" which make up the peculiar nation of Israel that God recognizes.
Paul wrote this to the Philippians, so obviously he is not referring only to those who are the sons of Jacob according to the flesh.
As for the rest of your eschatology, not that important because it will not unfold as you expect.
The Crusaders invested their faith and theology in their occupation of Palestine too.
The modern state of Israel will come to a similar end.
 
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Beekeeper said:
Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

It has everything to do with the true identity of "The Circumcision" which make up the peculiar nation of Israel that God recognizes.
Paul wrote this to the Philippians, so obviously he is not referring only to those who are the sons of Jacob according to the flesh.
As for the rest of your eschatology, not that important because it will not unfold as you expect.
The Crusaders invested their faith and theology in their occupation of Palestine too.
The modern state of Israel will come to a similar end.
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What God recognizes as Israel is that which can live up to the meaning of the name.
If it cannot wrestle with God and prevail, it is not the Israel of God.
Galatians 6:16-17.
 
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Charlesiii said:
If it wasn't for the golden statue of itself the IRGC had erected on a Florida golf course, people could at least recognise the blasphemy of the IRGC from the memes it posts illustrating itself as some type of messiah figure... People who can't see the blasphemy of the IRGC are just blinded by antisemitism - or possibly something more evil... Perhaps these people are the pedophile sponsors of the IRGC, which the IRGC is in turn protecting by withholding the release the Epstein client list?

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Praise Trump!
 
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cv5 said:
Awwww look. The IRGC junta is sending their love and kind regards to their dear neighbors.....again.

So what do you think @ChristRoseFromTheDead ? The dastardly Kuwaitis got what they deserved for simply being within gunshot?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2059828943675699659
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AS far as I know atm, and I'm not following the matter that closely because boring, it appears that a US tanker turned it's radar off and tried to run the straight; warning shots were fired to stop and turn around (which it did), the US attacked Iranian speed boats in response, Iran responded with drones towards US ships, US attacked Bandar Abbas from a US base in Kuwait and then Iran responded by launching missiles at that base.

This kind of sums up the situation in which Iran appears to be acting to prevent a creeping escalation situation, in which the US starts an increasing pattern of attacks with no Iranian response.

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cv5 said:
Ridiculous. This group is an absolutely miniscule fraction of the MILLIONS of dispersed Israelites. ALL of whom (every last one) will be gathered, not of their own ways and means, but by means of escort by the angelic host.
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You're under the delusion that all of modern Israel is going to be saved. A completely unbiblical idea and fantasy
 
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Beekeeper said:
As for the rest of your eschatology, not that important because it will not unfold as you expect.
The Crusaders invested their faith and theology in their occupation of Palestine too.
The modern state of Israel will come to a similar end.
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Let the one having ears hear what the spirit is saying to the assemblies

I said, I would blow them away, I would eradicate their remembrance from men if I didn't shrink from the vexation of the enemy; lest their foes misconstrue; lest they say our hand is high and YHWH didn't do all this. Deuteronomy 32:26-27​

And the seventh angel poured out his bowl [of wrath] into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven from the throne, saying, It is done. Revelation 16:17​
And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. Revelation 16:19​
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled, fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Revelation 18:4-8​
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Revelation 18:21​
 
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Beekeeper said:
Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

It has everything to do with the true identity of "The Circumcision" which make up the peculiar nation of Israel that God recognizes.
Paul wrote this to the Philippians, so obviously he is not referring only to those who are the sons of Jacob according to the flesh.
As for the rest of your eschatology, not that important because it will not unfold as you expect.
The Crusaders invested their faith and theology in their occupation of Palestine too.
The modern state of Israel will come to a similar end.
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What has that to do with the Nation Israel being saved after the Church age has ended in the rapture?
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Let the one having ears hear what the spirit is saying to the assemblies

I said, I would blow them away, I would eradicate their remembrance from men if I didn't shrink from the vexation of the enemy; lest their foes misconstrue; lest they say our hand is high and YHWH didn't do all this. Deuteronomy 32:26-27​

And the seventh angel poured out his bowl [of wrath] into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven from the throne, saying, It is done. Revelation 16:17​
And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. Revelation 16:19​
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled, fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Revelation 18:4-8​
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Revelation 18:21​
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OK let get to the business at hand:
You and @Beekeeper can tell us all about your theories pertaining to the "two Elijah's" of Matthew 17.

Any takers? Of course not. Doing so would falsify you ridiculous replacement theology apparatus.
 
Beekeeper said:
What God recognizes as Israel is that which can live up to the meaning of the name.
If it cannot wrestle with God and prevail, it is not the Israel of God.
Galatians 6:16-17.
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So you brazenly declare that God does not "recognize Israel" prophetically yet future so noted in massive quantities of Scripture? Ridiculous!

Jesus CLEARLY states that a future Elijah will come and RESTORE all things, INCLUDING the "kingdom to Israel".

Yes, the crucifixion did NOT result in the salvation of the Nation Israel back then.
However, it DID set in motion these "UNTIL" statements. All of which make certain a FUTURE prophetic salvation of the whole nation!

So now the ball is in your court. Explain if you can these crucial UNTIL statements and these equally critical RESTORE statements.

Act 1:6
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Act 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Mat 17:11
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
 
cv5 said:
Jesus CLEARLY states that a future Elijah will come and RESTORE all things, INCLUDING the "kingdom to Israel".
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Jesus explicitly said John was the Elijah who Malachi said would come. But you are not willing to hear that because you don't have ears that can hear.

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elijah which was to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Matthew 11:13-15​
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And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elijah has already come, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. Matthew 17:11-13​
 
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Beekeeper said:
Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

It has everything to do with the true identity of "The Circumcision" which make up the peculiar nation of Israel that God recognizes.
Paul wrote this to the Philippians, so obviously he is not referring only to those who are the sons of Jacob according to the flesh.
As for the rest of your eschatology, not that important because it will not unfold as you expect.
The Crusaders invested their faith and theology in their occupation of Palestine too.
The modern state of Israel will come to a similar end.
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Ohhhh kay buddy lets actually have you answer some questions about this "replacement theology" you are selling.

Who exactly is this "future Elijah" going to address when he comes yet future? The Church?
What exactly is this "future Elijah" going to restore? The Church?
Who exactly is this "future Elijah" going to herald and why? What is he going to "restore"? It cannot be the Church as it has already been established for 2000 years and cannot and will not falter nor fail.

Mat 17:10
And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

Mat 17:11
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Mat 17:12
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

Mat 17:13
Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Malachi: "Elijah is coming"
Jesus: "Elijah came"
cv5: "There are 2 Elijahs"
me: "lulz"
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That's right. You have no answer.
Let the record show that you have no answer to this nor the other questions posed.

Oh and BTW, to dismiss the words of Jesus (rather than hear them and endeavor to understand them) is contemptible.
 
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