The book of Job

[christophernyc]

You did not answer my question. The question was why did God ask Job that question.

Yes, I did answer this question in Post #403. Did you read it? You can look it up yourself, but here it is *again* for you.

"Because the accuser of the brethren, Elihu, a puppet of satan, was trying to beat that idea into Job's head. To clear the record, God asks Job about it. Notice God does not accuse Job like Elihu does. Job's answer to God is effectively "no". So, no, Job does not condemn God, even when he was given the opportunity to "curse God to His face" as previously predicted in chapters 1 & 2 by the liar satan."

In searching for my response, it was interesting how many times I had to ask you about James and how it comports with your overall interpretation of Job. Huh. Isn’t that interesting? If I missed your response, can you please point to which post where you did respond?

But even if you can’t find the post, why not just answer it here, like I have done for you? I’ll provide the question for you once again.

Ready?

What is your response to the actual written words of James in his letter to his brethren, and why does James hold up Job as an example to fellow believers? James is not commending Job about whether or not Job blesses God. So what is he commending Job for? What does it say? And why would James commend Job in this way?

And how does your whole interpretation of Job’s story comport with the words of James and his view of Job’s story?

What say you??

 

[tttallison]

I think I have been crystal clear. You say that Job represents Jacob's twin brother or the people that are his descendants. I have said that without other Biblical references to support that assertion it is simply wild conjecture. I asked you for prophetic words in the Bible referencing Esau or Edom that would support your assertion, you don't have any. I showed references to Esau and Job in the New Testament which are completely contradictory.

I have also given you a very detailed Pdf document showing that Job, and Melchisedek relate to the priesthood instituted by God when He covered Adam and Eve with animal skins. I have also referenced Hebrews which explains this in detail and the book of James which is completely built on the story of Job.

The following will be comparison of verses between the Book of Job and the Book of lamentations. Lamentations in the blue. Job in the red.

“I am the man that hath seen affliction by the rod of his wrath.”(3:1) “Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me.”(Job 9:34)

“He hath led me, and brought me into darkness, but not into light.”(3:2) “Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it.”(Job 3:4) “He hath fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he hath set darkness in my paths.”(Job 19:8)

“Surely against me is he turned; he turns his hand against me all the day.”(3:3) “You have become cruel to me; with your strong hand you oppose yourself against me.”(Job 30:21)

“My flesh and my skin has he made old; he hath broken my bones.”(3:4) “My skin is black upon me and my bones are burned with heat.(Job 30:30)

“He has builded against me, and compassed me with gall and travel.”(3:5) “His archers compass me round about, he cleaves my reins asunder, and does not spare; he pours out my gall upon the ground.”(Job 16:13)

“He has set me in dark places, as they that be dead of old.”(3:6) “He has fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he hath set darkness in my paths.”(19:8)

“He has hedged me about, that I cannot get out: he has made my chain heavy.”(3:7) “Why is light given to a man whose way is hid, and whom God hath hedged in.”(Job 3:23)

“Also when I cry and shout, he shuts out my prayer.”(3:8) “Behold, I cry out of wrong, but I am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is no judgment.”(Job 19:7)

“He has enclosed my ways with hewn stone, he has made my paths crooked.”(3:9) “They mar my path, they set forward my calamity, they have no helper.”(Job 30:13)

“He was unto me as a bear lying in wait, and as a lion in secret places.”(3:10) “For it increases. You hunt me as a fierce lion: and again you show yourself marvelous upon me.”(Job 10:16)

“He has turned aside my ways, and pulled me in pieces: he has made me desolate.”(3:11) “But now he has made me weary: you have made desolate all my company.”(Job 16:7)

It continues for another 7 verses, but due to time and space they are omitted. The following verses tie it together.

Lam 4:21-22 Rejoice and be glad, O daughter of Edom, that dwellest in the land of Uz; the cup also shall pass through unto thee: thou shalt be drunken, and shalt make thyself naked. The punishment of thine iniquity is accomplished, O daughter of Zion; he will no more carry thee away into captivity: he will visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will discover thy sins.

Your friend who who wrote the article on Melchizedek should have a very successful career writing fiction.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You keep asking me questions that I keep answering, but you have consistently refused to answer this question.

Why did God say this to Job, and would your answer be the same if God asked you the same question?

Job 40:8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

Your question has been answered ... and you have not rebutted ... instead you just disregard and keep asking your question over and over. Do you want to understand the Book of Job? ... then consider the information you have been given.

In Job 40:6-14, God asked Job a series of rhetorical questions:

Job 40:8-14

8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

9 Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?

10 Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty.

11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.

12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place.

13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.

14 Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.

The point behind these verses is -

vs 8 – if Job could disannul the judgment of God ... or condemn God ...

vs 9 – if Job had an arm like God ... or if Job could thunder with a voice like God ...

vs 10 – if Job could deck himself with majesty and excellency and array himself with glory and beauty as God is in His majesty, excellence, glory and beauty ...

vs 11 – if Job could abase with a glance every one that is proud ...

vs 12 – if Job could bring low the proud and tread down the wicked ...

vs 13 – if Job could hide them in the dust never to arise ...

vs 14 – if Job could do the things described in the above verses, then God would confess that Job could save himself.

What God revealed to Job here (as well as what is stated from chapter 38 to 41) is that that God's ways are so far above man's ways, and it is God alone Who is the Creator of all, Who knows the ways of all creation, Who is more powerful than the most powerful creature.

Both God and Job knew Job could do none of those things. Both God and Job knew Job could not save himself. Job relied upon the same Redeemer you and I rely upon.

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[ZNP]

The following will be comparison of verses between the Book of Job and the Book of lamentations. Lamentations in the blue. Job in the red.

“I am the man that hath seen affliction by the rod of his wrath.”(3:1) “Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me.”(Job 9:34)

“He hath led me, and brought me into darkness, but not into light.”(3:2) “Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it.”(Job 3:4) “He hath fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he hath set darkness in my paths.”(Job 19:8)

“Surely against me is he turned; he turns his hand against me all the day.”(3:3) “You have become cruel to me; with your strong hand you oppose yourself against me.”(Job 30:21)

“My flesh and my skin has he made old; he hath broken my bones.”(3:4) “My skin is black upon me and my bones are burned with heat.(Job 30:30)

“He has builded against me, and compassed me with gall and travel.”(3:5) “His archers compass me round about, he cleaves my reins asunder, and does not spare; he pours out my gall upon the ground.”(Job 16:13)

“He has set me in dark places, as they that be dead of old.”(3:6) “He has fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he hath set darkness in my paths.”(19:8)

“He has hedged me about, that I cannot get out: he has made my chain heavy.”(3:7) “Why is light given to a man whose way is hid, and whom God hath hedged in.”(Job 3:23)

“Also when I cry and shout, he shuts out my prayer.”(3:8) “Behold, I cry out of wrong, but I am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is no judgment.”(Job 19:7)

“He has enclosed my ways with hewn stone, he has made my paths crooked.”(3:9) “They mar my path, they set forward my calamity, they have no helper.”(Job 30:13)

“He was unto me as a bear lying in wait, and as a lion in secret places.”(3:10) “For it increases. You hunt me as a fierce lion: and again you show yourself marvelous upon me.”(Job 10:16)

“He has turned aside my ways, and pulled me in pieces: he has made me desolate.”(3:11) “But now he has made me weary: you have made desolate all my company.”(Job 16:7)

It continues for another 7 verses, but due to time and space they are omitted. The following verses tie it together.

Lam 4:21-22 Rejoice and be glad, O daughter of Edom, that dwellest in the land of Uz; the cup also shall pass through unto thee: thou shalt be drunken, and shalt make thyself naked. The punishment of thine iniquity is accomplished, O daughter of Zion; he will no more carry thee away into captivity: he will visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will discover thy sins.

Your friend who who wrote the article on Melchizedek should have a very successful career writing fiction.

This is getting to be ridiculous. I know that the book of Job is going to be seen in many other books. The question that I am asking and that you seem incapable of answering is what is the Biblical basis from any other book in the Bible to say that Job refers to Esau or Edom? Lamentations is written by Jeremiah, not by Esau or anyone in Edom. As for the only verse that does refer to Edom it most clearly does not liken him to Job.

Jeremiah is likening himself to Job, and in the Psalms David likens himself to Job.

 

[tttallison]

Your question has been answered ... and you have not rebutted ... instead you just disregard and keep asking your question over and over. Do you want to understand the Book of Job? ... then consider the information you have been given.

In Job 40:6-14, God asked Job a series of rhetorical questions:

Job 40:8-14

8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

9 Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?

10 Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty.

11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.

12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place.

13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.

14 Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.

The point behind these verses is -

vs 8 – if Job could disannul the judgment of God ... or condemn God ...

vs 9 – if Job had an arm like God ... or if Job could thunder with a voice like God ...

vs 10 – if Job could deck himself with majesty and excellency and array himself with glory and beauty as God is in His majesty, excellence, glory and beauty ...

vs 11 – if Job could abase with a glance every one that is proud ...

vs 12 – if Job could bring low the proud and tread down the wicked ...

vs 13 – if Job could hide them in the dust never to arise ...

vs 14 – if Job could do the things described in the above verses, then God would confess that Job could save himself.

What God revealed to Job here (as well as what is stated from chapter 38 to 41) is that that God's ways are so far above man's ways, and it is God alone Who is the Creator of all, Who knows the ways of all creation, Who is more powerful than the most powerful creature.

Both God and Job knew Job could do none of those things. Both God and Job knew Job could not save himself. Job relied upon the same Redeemer you and I rely upon.

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Like any good self-righteous person Job thought he was good enough to enter into heaven, but we all know better don't we?

Pride is a terrible thing.

 

[tttallison]

This is getting to be ridiculous. I know that the book of Job is going to be seen in many other books. The question that I am asking and that you seem incapable of answering is what is the Biblical basis from any other book in the Bible to say that Job refers to Esau or Edom? Lamentations is written by Jeremiah, not by Esau or anyone in Edom. As for the only verse that does refer to Edom it most clearly does not liken him to Job.

Jeremiah is likening himself to Job, and in the Psalms David likens himself to Job.

It likens the suffering of Israel to Job's suffering. That is why the cup of woe is passed from Israel to Edom.

Yes, in Psalms 38 the suffering of David is likened to Job's suffering, and David confesses his sin while Job does not.

Also in Deuteronomy 32 Job is again compared to Israel with the arrows of God in both. Again, for Israel the sin is confessed, while Job maintains his innocence. Job does eventually confess and that is how the book ends.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Like any good self-righteous person Job thought he was good enough to enter into heaven, but we all know better don't we?

Pride is a terrible thing.

not even close to what was submitted for your consideration ... just more of your brushing aside the truth of Scripture. You actually believe the same as Eliphaz, Bildad, Zophar ... the same folks to whom God gave this instruction:

Job 42:8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.

btw ... did you check out the rhetorical questions link? ... interesting ...

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[ZNP]

It likens the suffering of Israel to Job's suffering. That is why the cup of woe is passed from Israel to Edom.

Yes, in Psalms 38 the suffering of David is likened to Job's suffering, and David confesses his sin while Job does not.

Also in Deuteronomy 32 Job is again compared to Israel with the arrows of God in both. Again, for Israel the sin is confessed, while Job maintains his innocence. Job does eventually confess and that is how the book ends.

And so if all you see in the book of Job is suffering then anyone who is suffering, even if it is for sin and rebellion will fit your bill.

Job has several other criteria

1. God says he is righteous
2. God says he is His servant
3. Job is praying a propitiation prayer for his children
4. Job forgives those that wronged him.
5. Job receives a double blessing in the end.

If you don't have those key criteria who cares if they are suffering. Jezebel suffered, Absalom suffered, the soldiers that threw Shadrach, Meshack and Abednego into the furnace died, Judas hanged himself.

 

[LTL]

And so if all you see in the book of Job is suffering then anyone who is suffering, even if it is for sin and rebellion will fit your bill.

Job has several other criteria

1. God says he is righteous
2. God says he is His servant
3. Job is praying a propitiation prayer for his children
4. Job forgives those that wronged him.
5. Job receives a double blessing in the end.

If you don't have those key criteria who cares if they are suffering. Jezebel suffered, Absalom suffered, the soldiers that threw Shadrach, Meshack and Abednego into the furnace died, Judas hanged himself.

Are you saying Job's suffering was a payment?

 

[ZNP]

Are you saying Job's suffering was a payment?

No. What I am saying is that Job prayed that God would forgive his kids if they cursed Him in their heart. So then we see Job go through his trials where these people are accusing him of sin and then Job has to forgive the people who cursed him. Once he does that then God will hear his prayer to forgive his kids. As you have done it will be done to you.

This is the ministry of reconciliation, this is the priesthood according to Melchizedec and if you read the Pdf I shared you will see this is the structure of the book of James.

 

[LTL]

No. What I am saying is that Job prayed that God would forgive his kids if they cursed Him in their heart. So then we see Job go through his trials where these people are accusing him of sin and then Job has to forgive the people who cursed him. Once he does that then God will hear his prayer to forgive his kids. As you have done it will be done to you.

This is the ministry of reconciliation, this is the priesthood according to Melchizedec and if you read the Pdf I shared you will see this is the structure of the book of James.

Thank you

 

[DavidLamb]

Like any good self-righteous person Job thought he was good enough to enter into heaven, but we all know better don't we?

Pride is a terrible thing.

Job did not think like that. If he was self-righteous, why did he say to God:

(Job 42:6) Therefore I abhor myself, And repent in dust and ashes."

He certainly believed he would see God in heaven, but not through his own goodness. He needed a Redeemer:

(Job 19:25) For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth;
(Job 19:26) And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God,
(Job 19:27) Whom I shall see for myself, And my eyes shall behold, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!

Acknowledging the need for a Redeemer, and repenting in dust and ashes, do not speak of pride, but humility.

 

[tttallison]

not even close to what was submitted for your consideration ... just more of your brushing aside the truth of Scripture. You actually believe the same as Eliphaz, Bildad, Zophar ... the same folks to whom God gave this instruction:

Job 42:8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.

btw ... did you check out the rhetorical questions link? ... interesting ...

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I actually believe the same as Eliphaz, Bildad, Zophar, Elihu, and God. I believe God when he says, "Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?"

The three friends never said anything wrong, and in fact the New Testament quotes the words of Eliphaz as scripture. It wasn't what they said that God admonished them for, but rather what they didn't say. They hadn't repented.

They three friends were sent as witnesses against Job, by God, according to Job.

Elihu was sent by God at Job's request to stand in God's place because Job stated God would not be a fair arbitrator. Job had said God would laugh at the trial of the innocent.

The only thing you have in defense of Job is a couple of verses in the first and second chapter that Job was self righteous, and then a couple in the last chapter that you misinterpret. What about the other thirty nine chapters?

 

[tttallison]

And so if all you see in the book of Job is suffering then anyone who is suffering, even if it is for sin and rebellion will fit your bill.

Job has several other criteria

1. God says he is righteous
2. God says he is His servant
3. Job is praying a propitiation prayer for his children
4. Job forgives those that wronged him.
5. Job receives a double blessing in the end.

If you don't have those key criteria who cares if they are suffering. Jezebel suffered, Absalom suffered, the soldiers that threw Shadrach, Meshack and Abednego into the furnace died, Judas hanged himself.

What I see in the book of Job is salvation because God is merciful to sinners.

1. God says he is self righteous, and that ends when Job sins.

2. Job implies that he is a hired servant, and hired servants are a lower form of servant, because they can't partake of God's ransom.
Nebuchadnezzar was also God's servant. Job had requested to be from his master.

3. Yes, and his children died because they cursed God in their hearts.

4. No one wronged Job. Job wronged God when he charged God with unrighteousness while he was striving with God. Job repented.

5. Yes, that is the blessing of salvation, all things become new.

 

[ZNP]

What I see in the book of Job is salvation because God is merciful to sinners.

1. God says he is self righteous, and that ends when Job sins.

2. Job implies that he is a hired servant, and hired servants are a lower form of servant, because they can't partake of God's ransom.
Nebuchadnezzar was also God's servant. Job had requested to be from his master.

3. Yes, and his children died because they cursed God in their hearts.

4. No one wronged Job. Job wronged God when he charged God with unrighteousness while he was striving with God. Job repented.

5. Yes, that is the blessing of salvation, all things become new.

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Once again, when we think of someone suffering we think of Job. Just like the gospel is not about the suffering, it is about Jesus accomplishing salvation, it is the same with the book of Job. Suffering refers to the steps that must be taken to accomplish that. The story of Job is this: Job prays that if his children have cursed God in their hearts that God would forgive them. So God instigates Satan and Satan says that he can provoke Job to curse God. If Job curses God then his prayer is null and void, so God gives Satan permission. We see Job cursed by his three friends accusing him of hidden sins. Job never curses God and in the end he entreats God to forgive his three friends. Job has just done what he is asking God to do for his children. Righteousness is " as you have done it will be done to you". Job's forgiving his friends is the basis for God to answer his prayer to forgive his children. The story begins with Job's children dead in their sins and ends with them all experiencing the rebirth. That is the story of Job and we see it lived out in the gospels by Jesus Christ.

22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

 

[tttallison]

Job did not think like that. If he was self-righteous, why did he say to God:

(Job 42:6) Therefore I abhor myself, And repent in dust and ashes."

He certainly believed he would see God in heaven, but not through his own goodness. He needed a Redeemer:

(Job 19:25) For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth;
(Job 19:26) And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God,
(Job 19:27) Whom I shall see for myself, And my eyes shall behold, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!

Acknowledging the need for a Redeemer, and repenting in dust and ashes, do not speak of pride, but humility.

Job repented at the end when his eyes were opened after the speeches of Elihu and God.

Yes Job believed he would be redeemed, but not because of God's righteousness, but his own righteousness. Job said, Job 27:6 My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live. Job's heart was reproached when he declared he was vile.

You are coupling two stages of Job's life that are distinct. His acknowledging that God is the redeemer and his repentance are not in the same time frame. While Job knew he had no ability to redeem himself, he felt that if anybody deserved redeeming it was him.. That is the way self-righteous people think. It was only after Job repented that all things became new. His flesh became fresher than a childs.

 

[tttallison]

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Once again, when we think of someone suffering we think of Job. Just like the gospel is not about the suffering, it is about Jesus accomplishing salvation, it is the same with the book of Job. Suffering refers to the steps that must be taken to accomplish that. The story of Job is this: Job prays that if his children have cursed God in their hearts that God would forgive them. So God instigates Satan and Satan says that he can provoke Job to curse God. If Job curses God then his prayer is null and void, so God gives Satan permission. We see Job cursed by his three friends accusing him of hidden sins. Job never curses God and in the end he entreats God to forgive his three friends. Job has just done what he is asking God to do for his children. Righteousness is " as you have done it will be done to you". Job's forgiving his friends is the basis for God to answer his prayer to forgive his children. The story begins with Job's children dead in their sins and ends with them all experiencing the rebirth. That is the story of Job and we see it lived out in the gospels by Jesus Christ.

22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Your post is absolutely nonsense. Jesus never abhorred himself and repented in dust an ashes. Job said he was vile. You should feel ashamed comparing Job to Jesus. Jesus never said his father would laugh at the trial of the innocent. Jesus never corrected or reproved his Father.

 

[ZNP]

Your post is absolutely nonsense. Jesus never abhorred himself and repented in dust an ashes. Job said he was vile. You should feel ashamed comparing Job to Jesus. Jesus never said his father would laugh at the trial of the innocent. Jesus never corrected or reproved his Father.

The steps Jesus took involved suffering, the steps all those who want to follow after the Lord must take will also include suffering. Jesus willingly went to the cross which includes the mockery, the scourging, and being sentenced to death in a monkey trial so that if any of God's children have cursed God in their heart they could be forgiven. That is what the story of Job is about. Just because you are unable to see that doesn't change the fact.

I am comparing Job to the Priesthood according to the order of Melchisedek. Job goes through the things he goes through in order to take part in that priesthood. Same as Paul did. Same as Peter did. Same as James did. Jesus led the way, He was the forerunner.

Your absurd and ridiculous contention that an imperfect man cannot be compared to Jesus is completely debunked by Jesus. He said He was the greater David. Certainly David was a sinful man, how dare anyone compare him to Jesus. He said He was the greater Solomon. Again, another sinful man, how dare anyone compare him to Jesus. Jesus compared himself to Jonah, a man who was disobedient to God. How dare anyone compare Jesus to a man who was disobedient to God! Jesus compared Himself to Moses when He lifted up the bronze serpent in the desert. How dare anyone compare Jesus to a murderer. Paul said that Jesus was the "second Adam", comparing him to the man equated with the fall and sin. How dare Paul do this.

You are turning yourself into a clown.

 

[tttallison]

The steps Jesus took involved suffering, the steps all those who want to follow after the Lord must take will also include suffering. Jesus willingly went to the cross which includes the mockery, the scourging, and being sentenced to death in a monkey trial so that if any of God's children have cursed God in their heart they could be forgiven. That is what the story of Job is about. Just because you are unable to see that doesn't change the fact.

I am comparing Job to the Priesthood according to the order of Melchisedek. Job goes through the things he goes through in order to take part in that priesthood. Same as Paul did. Same as Peter did. Same as James did. Jesus led the way, He was the forerunner.

Your absurd and ridiculous contention that an imperfect man cannot be compared to Jesus is completely debunked by Jesus. He said He was the greater David. Certainly David was a sinful man, how dare anyone compare him to Jesus. He said He was the greater Solomon. Again, another sinful man, how dare anyone compare him to Jesus. Jesus compared himself to Jonah, a man who was disobedient to God. How dare anyone compare Jesus to a man who was disobedient to God! Jesus compared Himself to Moses when He lifted up the bronze serpent in the desert. How dare anyone compare Jesus to a murderer. Paul said that Jesus was the "second Adam", comparing him to the man equated with the fall and sin. How dare Paul do this.

You are turning yourself into a clown.

Job didn't suffer to be a priest, Job suffered because of pride.

Job 29:11 When the ear heard me, then it blessed me; and when the eye saw me, it gave witness to me:

Job 29:14I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.

Job 29:17 And I brake the jaws of the wicked, and plucked the spoil out of his teeth.

Job 29:18 Then I said, I shall die in my nest, and I shall multiply my days as the sand.

Job 29:20 My glory was fresh in me, and my bow was renewed in my hand.

Job 29:21 Unto me men gave ear, and waited, and kept silence at my counsel.

Job 29:22 After my words they spake not again; and my speech dropped upon them.

Job 29:23 And they waited for me as for the rain; and they opened their mouth wide as for the latter rain.

Job 29:24 If I laughed on them, they believed it not; and the light of my countenance they cast not down.

Job 29:25 I chose out their way, and sat chief, and dwelt as a king in the army, as one that comforteth the mourners.

Job isn't praising God, Job is praising Job.

 

[LTL]

The steps Jesus took involved suffering, the steps all those who want to follow after the Lord must take will also include suffering. Jesus willingly went to the cross which includes the mockery, the scourging, and being sentenced to death in a monkey trial so that if any of God's children have cursed God in their heart they could be forgiven. That is what the story of Job is about. Just because you are unable to see that doesn't change the fact.

I am comparing Job to the Priesthood according to the order of Melchisedek. Job goes through the things he goes through in order to take part in that priesthood. Same as Paul did. Same as Peter did. Same as James did. Jesus led the way, He was the forerunner.

Your absurd and ridiculous contention that an imperfect man cannot be compared to Jesus is completely debunked by Jesus. He said He was the greater David. Certainly David was a sinful man, how dare anyone compare him to Jesus. He said He was the greater Solomon. Again, another sinful man, how dare anyone compare him to Jesus. Jesus compared himself to Jonah, a man who was disobedient to God. How dare anyone compare Jesus to a man who was disobedient to God! Jesus compared Himself to Moses when He lifted up the bronze serpent in the desert. How dare anyone compare Jesus to a murderer. Paul said that Jesus was the "second Adam", comparing him to the man equated with the fall and sin. How dare Paul do this.

You are turning yourself into a clown.

Say, for instance, Hebrews and James are the two witnesses, as you kind of indicated in your work "The Original Priesthood," where you said "James gives you the life. Hebrews gives you the office" (p. 13)

And Job, "the figure who stands at the center of the life, embodying in narrative form everything Hebrews argues theologially," is the third. Then where is the fourth, if there is one?