Is Knowledge of the Original Languages Necessary for KJV Believers?

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KJV only people are incorrigible.

You believe in loss of salvation..........KJV kicks your butt to the curb for that thought.
Well, good thing I am not KJV-only.
The KJV is the word of God in English and is error free. The KJV is my standard in English, but I also believe it is complemented by the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek that conveys additional. layers of meaning that English alone cannot convey.

Also, I am not denying there are some KJV believers that can have a bad attitude or strange beliefs like Ruckman, Riplinger, and Anderson. That does not mean there are no bad actors in the Modern Bible Movement, though.


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Vaticanus and Sinaiticus have never been chemically dated to see if they are actually as old as they claim. Sinaiticus was going to be date tested, but the day it was scheduled, it was oddly stopped.

Even if they are old, we have very good reasons to reject Vaticanus and Sinaiticus. When these two manuscripts are examined closely, it becomes evident that they contain serious textual corruptions. For instance, both Vaticanus and Sinaiticus depict Jesus being pierced by a spear before His death on the cross (See Matthew 27:49-50), a reading that never appears in any English translation. In Hebrews 1:3, Vaticanus omits the crucial phrase “by himself,” erasing the only New Testament reference to Christ personally purging our sins. Next to this verse in Vaticanus is a marginal note that reads, ἀμαθέστατε καὶ κακέ, ἄφες τὸν παλαιόν, μὴ μεταποίει (“Fool and knave, can’t you leave the old reading alone and not alter it!”), revealing that even scribes recognized and objected to the textual corruption in progress. Moreover, Vaticanus and Sinaiticus disagree with each other in roughly three thousand places within the Gospels alone, which is hardly a mark of trustworthy or reliable witnesses.

These manuscripts are far from the best, as many scholars claim. In fact, Vaticanus and Sinaiticus were virtually unknown throughout church history and only gained prominence in 1881 when Westcott and Hort smashed them together to form their Westcott and Hort 1881 Greek text. This Frankenstein monster of a Greek text they created was the textual basis for the release of the Revised Version, headed by Westcott and Hort. The Revised Version was supposed to be a KJV update. It even says on the half title page that it was the version set forth in 1611, but it is not the version set forth in 1611 because it eliminated many readings not found in the KJV, like the Johannine Comma in 1 John 5:7, etc. In other words, they lied. A Critical Text advocate on a Christian forum even admitted to me that this was a deception by Westcott and Hort. To make matters worse, they moved the last sentence in 1 John 5:6 to where the missing Comma was in 1 John 5:7 without any footnote. This is deception. They did not want to alert the new believer about the change, in that they removed the only direct reference to the Trinity within the standard English Bible. So the Westcott and Hort / Nestle and Aland Modern Bible Movement has its origins rooted in various deceptions. On top of that, Westcott and Hort had a Unitarian on their committee named George Vance Smith. They fellowshipped with him at the committee event. Meaning, they all partook of communion or the Lord’s supper together. Later, Unitarian George Vance Smith wrote a book about how theological doctrines were changed in the English Revised Version in his book, Texts and Margins of the Revised New Testament (1881). He mentions how the readings in it favor his Unitarianism. It's in the public domain, so you can check it out.

I also catalogued about 25 Catholic ideas in Modern Bibles. Many of these Catholic ideas have grown over the years since the Revised Version. This is no surprise because even the Catholics switched to the Nestle and Aland and Carlo Maria Martini, who was in line to be a pope, worked on the different Nestle and Aland editions. Note: This is not like Erasmus by any means because Erasmus was not working on behalf of the Vatican as Martini had. It says in the 27th edition of the Nestle and Aland that it was supervised by the Vatican.

Even your precious NASB has Catholic ideas in it. So much darkness in that Bible that you are not even aware of.
Care to know?
Or is ignorance bliss?

The KJV New Testament, on the other hand, was translated from the Textus Receptus tradition, relying chiefly on Theodore Beza’s 1598 edition along with earlier TR editions (which follow the Byzantine Tradition, although certain readings are not an exact match). Because the underlying Greek sources are different, many of the changes in modern versions stem not only from translation choices but also from textual differences.



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Okay thank you very much for sharing.
 
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The KJV wasn't so much a translation as a copy of the Bishop's Bible; James wanted the "translators" to stick to it as closely as possible. He hated the Geneva Bible which had many marginal notes which undermined the ecclesiastical authority of the Church of England. So he wanted a new version that could replace the Geneva Bible with a version that would conform with his ecclesiastical ambitions. He even made it a crime for anyone to use the Geneva Bible; in response, many of them left the country, taking their Geneva Bibles with them.

It's such a shame that even still today many truths of God's word to believers has clouded by faulty renderings.
 
It is a lot worse than you think. Just watch Nick Sayer's video I just posted on Mollenkott. Watch the whole thing, even if it is in parts.
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But as I mentioned before, Mollenkott was not a translator of the NIV, but something called a "stylistic consultant," and besides, when her sexual views were made known to the American Bible Society, who were behind the NIV, they immediately asked her to resign.
 
So, what Bible of the month that keeps changing are you for?
No doubt you have no clue about all the bad doctrines within your preferred modernist Bible.
Even the most recent NIV edition has new, additional heretical doctrines that it did not have before.
Are you even aware of such things?
Do you even care?
But think about it. Christians who lived in or just after 1611 were used to other translations, like the Geneva Bible, the Bishop's Bible, and others. So for them, the KJV was a change. Indeed, many preferred the Geneva.
 
Good thing I don't answer to you. The information does not change if it is here vs. it being on my PDF on my site.
Perhaps it is better to wait. When I do an update on my PDF, I most likely will post my fixes here.

Be at peace in the Lord.


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So you are using feedback from here to improve” your personal product, but refuse to engage in reasonable discussion?

That’s leech behaviour.
 
The KJV wasn't so much a translation as a copy of the Bishop's Bible;
Did you personally do a side by side comparison of the Bishops’ Bible and the KJV to truly know it was just a copy? No. Most definitely not.

While there was an original rule that the king set out, things obviously turned out differently in practice. The rule would allow for any part of the Bishops’ Bible to be changed if the original languages allowed it.

This was not some lazy copy and paste job of the Bishops’ Bible. The KJV translators worked in six different companies, divided between Westminster, Cambridge, and Oxford. Each company was assigned a different section of Scripture. According to the translation rules, each man in a company would first work through the same chapter or chapters individually, translating or amending the text as he thought best. Then the whole company would meet together, compare their work, discuss the differences, and agree on what reading should stand. After a book was completed, it was sent to the other companies for further review. If another company disagreed with a reading, they could send back their objections and reasons. Any unresolved differences were then handled at a general meeting of leading translators near the end of the work. So the text went through multiple layers of examination, correction, debate, and refinement before it was finalized.

The translators also consulted the original Hebrew and Greek texts and spoke highly of them in the preface. They stated that they worked directly from the original languages rather than merely reproducing an English Bible. They also compared earlier English Bibles, foreign language translations, editions of the Textus Receptus, and other scholarly resources available to them. The result was a carefully reviewed translation that underwent years of examination and refinement, not a simple reproduction of the Bishops’ Bible.

So the claim that the KJV translators merely reproduced a copy of the Bishops’ Bible is not an honest representation of the facts presented in the KJV preface or of the work that they actually performed. Such a claim focuses on a single translation rule while ignoring what happened in practice during the seven years of translation work that followed. The historical record shows that the translators engaged in a lengthy process of translation, comparison, review, correction, and refinement that went far beyond simply reproducing the Bishops’ Bible. In other words, you are taking one rule and reading it apart from the historical process that ultimately took place.

Meanwhile, in the Modern Bible Movement, you have people falling away from the faith and believing false doctrines from those modern Bibles, and you and many others in such a movement have no problem with Unitarians, Catholics, liberals, rainbow people, and a Mormon having worked on your critical texts.

So you basically have a bias against the KJV, and you will say anything to try to discredit it.
This to me seems like damage control for the problems in your own movement.

Side Note 1: The one video you posted below here contains so much false information that I am planning to do a video response to it using reputable sources to refute its claims.


But this is what your side does. It constantly gaslights the facts surrounding the Textus Receptus and the KJV and will do almost anything to discredit them.


Side Note 2:

As for King James running people out of England:

It was not merely them using the Geneva Bible. These were separatists groups trying to make change in trying to have their own worship services instead of conforming to the church. While I believe King James was misguided for trying to enforce the church of Anglicanism upon everyone, the KJV did not remain as an Anglican Bible like the Geneva Bible is known to be a Puritan/Calvinist Bible. What makes the KJV special is that it broke the denominational barriers within Protestantism. It became the standard even in other English speaking countries because they recognized its excellence in translation by many learned men compared to other previous imperfect works done by fewer scholars in previous TR English Bible translations (like the Geneva, Bishop's Coverdale's etc.). As I stated before, what is ironic is that the very Puritans who did not want to conform ended up abandoning the Geneva Bible and favoring the King James Bible in the Antinomian crisis involving Anne Hutchinson. This event created a gradual shift that led to the Puritans (Calvinists) favoring the King James. The King James Bible was praised for its excellency throughout history for the work that it was. So despite a king and his ambitions, God was able to use him to spread His word and cause three of the greatest revivals, create unity and memorization over one text that led to much good fruit. Sure, there are are bad actors in the KJV believing community. You will get bad actors everywhere. Judas was a bad actor among the good disciples. However, my point is that the KJV was not defined by King James's rule alone. It took on a life of it's own in bringing forth much good fruit.





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So you are using feedback from here to improve” your personal product, but refuse to engage in reasonable discussion?

That’s leech behaviour.
I am an extremely busy person. If I indulged every person's whims or demands, I would never accomplish any of the important projects I have for the LORD and or have a life.

However, if you are careful to notice what I said before, I will most likely engage on this point at another time in the future when I refine my PDF and have it discussed here and elsewhere. I do like feedback and even pushback. Sometimes it is the critics that help me to hone my work and be more diligent to the truth of the facts even more.

May the Lord Jesus bless you.


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But think about it. Christians who lived in or just after 1611 were used to other translations, like the Geneva Bible, the Bishop's Bible, and others. So for them, the KJV was a change. Indeed, many preferred the Geneva.
Apples and oranges. The differences between the TR Bibles is not any heretical level like with the Modern Bibles because their Bibles are based on a corrupted text with corrupt doctrines baked into the very Greek manuscripts themselves. The Critical Text uses Vaticanus and Sinaiticus which are horribly corrupt and have major issues doctrinally. In other words, when you build upon a bad foundation, the house wil then eventually crack, break in certain sections, or even collapse entirely.


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Is Knowledge of the Original Languages Necessary for KJV Believers?

I remember a testimony told by Pastor Chuck Smith, in preparing a sermon, about how he spent a Saturday examining a particular verse, looking at translations, at lexicons, various resources, and after many hours of study and research, arrived at what he considered a particularly wonderful jewel of a truth, something he'd never seen before, something he truly enjoyed learning.

He related how he was enjoying the fact that he was able to use these resources, and to have the understandingg, to dig up this nugget of truth.

Then he told us about the following Sunday, and how one of the elderly women in the church came to him after the service, "Oh, Pastor Chuck, let me show you what the Holy Spirit showed me in my reading this week. And don't you know, she went to the same verse, and showed him the very same truth that he had spent his many hours discovering, only the Holy Spirit simply opened her eyes to see as she read.

Is the knowledge of the original languages necessary of any Bible reader? No. The Holy Spirit is absolutely sufficient to teach you what you are to know.

Just the same, if the Lord has given you the ability, and the tools, and the desire, then dig into the Word, using the books, the lexicons, so forth, but looking to the Holy Spirit to teach.

Much love!
 
I like how GotQuestions explain this so I can understand. The first Bible I read from as a child was my grandmothers KJB and I couldn’t not understand it fully. Later in life she bought me a King James Bible and at Bible study time with other women I had a hard time with it. I later received a NIV and noticed how different it was from the KJV. So I guess what I’m saying here is I’ve looked for other versions but now I’m more appreciative of the KJV and I was blessed by my grandmothers bibles. The first verses I memorized were from it and will never forget because the language is beautiful and it flowed naturally. Hopefully I can buy a KJV study bible soon but I use the NASB app to study for now.
 
I remember a testimony told by Pastor Chuck Smith, in preparing a sermon, about how he spent a Saturday examining a particular verse, looking at translations, at lexicons, various resources, and after many hours of study and research, arrived at what he considered a particularly wonderful jewel of a truth, something he'd never seen before, something he truly enjoyed learning.

He related how he was enjoying the fact that he was able to use these resources, and to have the understandingg, to dig up this nugget of truth.

Then he told us about the following Sunday, and how one of the elderly women in the church came to him after the service, "Oh, Pastor Chuck, let me show you what the Holy Spirit showed me in my reading this week. And don't you know, she went to the same verse, and showed him the very same truth that he had spent his many hours discovering, only the Holy Spirit simply opened her eyes to see as she read.

Is the knowledge of the original languages necessary of any Bible reader? No. The Holy Spirit is absolutely sufficient to teach you what you are to know.

Just the same, if the Lord has given you the ability, and the tools, and the desire, then dig into the Word, using the books, the lexicons, so forth, but looking to the Holy Spirit to teach.

Much love!
While anything is possible with God, I don’t think most or all KJV English-only believers who are against looking to the original languages would be guided to know about Interpretatio Romana in Acts 14:12. To see what I am talking about, check out my free PDF on my site: www.affectionsabove.com. Click on the PDF with the animated pic of the depths of the ocean in the background, and scroll to page 112 to the section that says, “3rd Pillar."



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I like how GotQuestions explain this so I can understand. The first Bible I read from as a child was my grandmothers KJB and I couldn’t not understand it fully. Later in life she bought me a King James Bible and at Bible study time with other women I had a hard time with it. I later received a NIV and noticed how different it was from the KJV. So I guess what I’m saying here is I’ve looked for other versions but now I’m more appreciative of the KJV and I was blessed by my grandmothers bibles. The first verses I memorized were from it and will never forget because the language is beautiful and it flowed naturally. Hopefully I can buy a KJV study bible soon but I use the NASB app to study for now.
The Modern Bibles are based on different Greek manuscripts. They use the Nestle and Aland 28 (which is in the tradition of Westcott and Hort's Greek text in 1881) which primarily goes with Vaticanus and Sinaiticus for its main readings (although there is a few minor places other Greek MSS are used). The KJV is based on the Received Greek text or what is called as the Textus Receptus. This as the text received during the time of the reformation that began with Erasmus, and Was later refined by Stephanus, and Beza with their Textus Receptus Greek editions. Modern Bibles teach false doctrines not only a translation level, but also on a textual level involving the Greek itself. Most are simply unaware of such things. Nick Sayers YouTube channel (Revolution Debates) is really helpful or eye opening. Granted, many of his videos are really long and so I just watch them in parts over a week or so (on the topics I am interested in). Just click on his "Live" tab section of his website, though. His video section does not list his Textus Receptus/ King James Bible discussions. Nick is from Australia and gets deep into the textual issues a lot.



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The Modern Bibles are based on different Greek manuscripts. They use the Nestle and Aland 28 (which is in the tradition of Westcott and Hort's Greek text in 1881) which primarily goes with Vaticanus and Sinaiticus for its main readings (although there is a few minor places other Greek MSS are used). The KJV is based on the Received Greek text or what is called as the Textus Receptus. This as the text received during the time of the reformation that began with Erasmus, and Was later refined by Stephanus, and Beza with their Textus Receptus Greek editions. Modern Bibles teach false doctrines not only a translation level, but also on a textual level involving the Greek itself. Most are simply unaware of such things. Nick Sayers YouTube channel (Revolution Debates) is really helpful or eye opening. Granted, many of his videos are really long and so I just watch them in parts over a week or so (on the topics I am interested in). Just click on his "Live" tab section of his website, though. His video section does not list his Textus Receptus/ King James Bible discussions. Nick is from Australia and gets deep into the textual issues a lot.



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Okay thanks. I’ll check the videos out. I’m not sure what false doctrines are being taught in modern Bible versions are? Anyone can use any version and twist it to fit their own agenda.
 
Literally anyone can take any verses out of context and misinterpret it whether it’s from the NASB or the KJV. If you don’t have an understanding of God’s word then that may happen regardless of what translation is used.
 
Okay thanks. I’ll check the videos out. I’m not sure what false doctrines are being taught in modern Bible versions are? Anyone can use any version and twist it to fit their own agenda.
On my website, www.affectionsabove.com, I have three PDFs (along with two videos on Nick’s channel). Two of my PDFs cover the doctrinal problems in Modern Bibles. The third PDF is more about defending the use of the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek that underlie the King James Bible (Which helps my fellow “KJV-English-alone” brethren to see its immense importance to understanding certain places in Scripture. I use the older lexicons before German Rationalism in the 1700s, and I strive to let them and history speak on my behalf on the deep and rich meaning of the original languages. I believe the KJV is without error, but the original languages convey a deeper, additional complimentary layer of meaning for certain words.

Side Note:

I do need to update some points and some articles in my 77 Changed Doctrines PDF to better align with the original languages. So please keep that in mind.

May God bless you.


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The KJV wasn't so much a translation as a copy of the Bishop's Bible; James wanted the "translators" to stick to it as closely as possible. He hated the Geneva Bible which had many marginal notes which undermined the ecclesiastical authority of the Church of England. So he wanted a new version that could replace the Geneva Bible with a version that would conform with his ecclesiastical ambitions. He even made it a crime for anyone to use the Geneva Bible; in response, many of them left the country, taking their Geneva Bibles with them.

It's such a shame that even still today many truths of God's word to believers has clouded by faulty renderings.

And let's not forget the impetus for the KJV Bible was because a certain king was schtupping a woman who was not his wife. He then wanted a divorce but Rome wouldn't give it to him.
 
And let's not forget the impetus for the KJV Bible was because a certain king was schtupping a woman who was not his wife. He then wanted a divorce but Rome wouldn't give it to him.
Aren't you getting James I confused with Henry VIII? I have never heard of James I applying to Rome for a divorce.
 
Aren't you getting James I confused with Henry VIII? I have never heard of James I applying to Rome for a divorce.
No, I meant Henry. The Anglican Church exists because of his sexual proclivities. James later, as ruler of the Anglican Church, commissioned the KJV to address fractures within the Anglican members.