Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations

[LTL]

Huh?
Even when I ask you to cut the clown act and borrow a bible from someone, you revert to the low road of nonsense.

Go troll someone else.
Either honestly debate or move on to some other board where the juvies play.

Rev. 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Rev. 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

P1, you overlooked the "clouds."

Have I not taught you the metaphors?

Rev. 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

The cloud. The cloud.

I thought you would be able to see this. The cloud is the saints of God. And, to show you my good intentions, I included a great song. But you did not even say thank you. Come on P1, you are better than this.

The plane. The plane. A beautiful tribute to a great man. And you still can not see the rapture in my good gestures to you.

You remind me of my younger brother who rejected the Savior. And when he told me that he would go to church if someone could answer his question. And I answered his question, and he still did not go to church, and is sitting in hell this very day.

But you have the advantage, because you have salvation in Jesus Christ. And I am trying to prevent your discouragement when you learn there is no pre-tribulation. So that you will not loose your soul in rebellion against the Savior.

And yet you can not see. And regarding my younger brother, the Spirit prompted me with "let those who hate be presided over by those who hate them." So, to this day, my younger brother is presided over by Lucifer and his demons.

But you, having salvation in Jesus Christ, should know that we who love you hope the best for you. All of this is shown in Isa. 15-16 where Moab, the cousins to Israel, learn the hard way that the pre-trib rapture is false doctrine.

 

[Psalm1]

Mat 25
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

You claim in your post you can unpack it verse by verse.

Go ahead.
No rabbit trails about how you see me as defective.
Get you a bible and try...TRY... to focus, and actually stay on the subject.

There ya go.
No need for any far fetched inputs.
So simple.
But your silence is deafening.
Cut all the nonsense, and unpack it.

 

[LTL]

There ya go.
No need for any far fetched inputs.
So simple.
But your silence is deafening.
Cut all the nonsense, and unpack it.

P1, you are so much fun. I love visiting with you.

First of all, peace and love between us, per our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Having said that, let's destroy the pre-trib rapture false doctrine together.

Mat 25
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
The ten virgins are a tithe of the church that follows the Savior.
Notice that this is not the church proper, but ten percent. And as tithes go, it is from the church to God.
From this, you can see that this ten percent tithe is called "virgins" because they are pure, having been washed in the blood of Jesus.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Here we see that five of the ten percent tithe, having been washed in the blood of Jesus, are foolish.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Although they prepared themselves, they did not have adequate oil in their homes for their lamps. And consequently, they go to the wise virgins for oil, where they are told to go to the ones who sell the oil. And when they are gone from their homes, the doors to the homes of the wise virgins are shut. And, half of the tithe of the church misses the call to serve.

 

[Psalm1]

P1, you are so much fun. I love visiting with you.

First of all, peace and love between us, per our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Having said that, let's destroy the pre-trib rapture false doctrine together.

Mat 25
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
The ten virgins are a tithe of the church that follows the Savior.
Notice that this is not the church proper, but ten percent. And as tithes go, it is from the church to God.
From this, you can see that this ten percent tithe is called "virgins" because they are pure, having been washed in the blood of Jesus.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Here we see that five of the ten percent tithe, having been washed in the blood of Jesus, are foolish.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Although they prepared themselves, they did not have adequate oil in their homes for their lamps. And consequently, they go to the wise virgins for oil, where they are told to go to the ones who sell the oil. And when they are gone from their homes, the doors to the homes of the wise virgins are shut. And, half of the tithe of the church misses the call to serve.

There is nothing there about 10% or the word "tithe".
The church has millions of members.

 

[Psalm1]

Rev. 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Rev. 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

P1, you overlooked the "clouds."

Have I not taught you the metaphors?

Rev. 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

The cloud. The cloud.

I thought you would be able to see this. The cloud is the saints of God. And, to show you my good intentions, I included a great song. But you did not even say thank you. Come on P1, you are better than this.

The plane. The plane. A beautiful tribute to a great man. And you still can not see the rapture in my good gestures to you.

You remind me of my younger brother who rejected the Savior. And when he told me that he would go to church if someone could answer his question. And I answered his question, and he still did not go to church, and is sitting in hell this very day.

But you have the advantage, because you have salvation in Jesus Christ. And I am trying to prevent your discouragement when you learn there is no pre-tribulation. So that you will not loose your soul in rebellion against the Savior.

And yet you can not see. And regarding my younger brother, the Spirit prompted me with "let those who hate be presided over by those who hate them." So, to this day, my younger brother is presided over by Lucifer and his demons.

But you, having salvation in Jesus Christ, should know that we who love you hope the best for you. All of this is shown in Isa. 15-16 where Moab, the cousins to Israel, learn the hard way that the pre-trib rapture is false doctrine.

Love , in no way belittles.
So you don't even know what love is.
Love elevates others above them selves.
You, on the other hand, do the opposite.

Your error in the word "cloud" assumes there is never any reference to clouds in the sky.
So, in your erroneous spiritualization, you have Jesus sitting on saints, harvesting saints.
Rev
14:16
And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

If clouds in the sky can not possibly be clouds in the sky, no wonder your strange beliefs are massive.

Clouds are never clouds, and 10 is never a whole number.

Who or where believes your doctrine.
Post a link.

 

[frederickdoc]

11 & 11 =22 thats the first thing to know..
Two views: one view first 11 chapters Then second view in last 11 chapters
hope this help a true HS sealed knower of Him
Eyes wide open

 

[LTL]

There is nothing there about 10% or the word "tithe".
The church has millions of members.

It is common knowledge that 10% is the tithe of the church.
Ten virgins out of 100 virgins is ten percent of the saints of God.
But how many are virgins, as in clean, washed in the blood of Jesus Christ.
We can only assume that many of the saints are not clean.
So the timing is at midnight when the call goes out. At that time, ready or not, of those who are clean, then ten percent of the church are the virgins to go forth on the exodus. And it does appear like a rapture, but they are not taken off the earth. And this is stated in Rev. 12:6.

6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Love , in no way belittles.
So you don't even know what love is.
Love elevates others above them selves.
You, on the other hand, do the opposite.

Your error in the word "cloud" assumes there is never any reference to clouds in the sky.
So, in your erroneous spiritualization, you have Jesus sitting on saints, harvesting saints.
Rev
14:16
And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

If clouds in the sky can not possibly be clouds in the sky, no wonder your strange beliefs are massive.

Clouds are never clouds, and 10 is never a whole number.

Who or where believes your doctrine.
Post a link.

I love many saints. And for you, we have a special relationship.

I hope that you can move beyond the literal into the metaphorical language. Perhaps someday.

Matt. 13:3-14
3And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

 

[Psalm1]

It is common knowledge that 10% is the tithe of the church.
Ten virgins out of 100 virgins is ten percent of the saints of God.
But how many are virgins, as in clean, washed in the blood of Jesus Christ.
We can only assume that many of the saints are not clean.
So the timing is at midnight when the call goes out. At that time, ready or not, of those who are clean, then ten percent of the church are the virgins to go forth on the exodus. And it does appear like a rapture, but they are not taken off the earth. And this is stated in Rev. 12:6.

6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.




I love many saints. And for you, we have a special relationship.

I hope that you can move beyond the literal into the metaphorical language. Perhaps someday.

Matt. 13:3-14
3And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

The bible has tons of metaphorical language.
Tons of it.
Producing allegory that is not in the Bible is 100% error every single time.
By spiritualizing everything abd false definitions, you have simply made up your own little bible world

Yes. The parables
The part of the bible you interpret all by yourself and mess it up.
Like Jesus said " hearing is absent and eyesight is absent.
Yes it describes your perception perfectly.
Making up a tithe in the parable????
You literally made it up.
Flat out bizarre.
The only percentage in the parable is 50%.
Not even a slight hint of a tithe anywhere...ZERO.
SO...AMAZINGLY you start deciphering the parable from a totally erroneous position.

Jesus says; "start from Kansas and head to California"
You, ;"we know the sun rises in the east, and sun is pronounced "son" so that means we head east"

The first step you take is wrong, and every step leads you wrong.
Your building blocks are like rotted wood, and your structure is doomed.

I have never seen anyone so far off into a tangled mess.
Wow.

 

[Psalm1]

It is common knowledge that 10% is the tithe of the church.
Ten virgins out of 100 virgins is ten percent of the saints of God.
But how many are virgins, as in clean, washed in the blood of Jesus Christ.
We can only assume that many of the saints are not clean.
So the timing is at midnight when the call goes out. At that time, ready or not, of those who are clean, then ten percent of the church are the virgins to go forth on the exodus. And it does appear like a rapture, but they are not taken off the earth. And this is stated in Rev. 12:6.

6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.




I love many saints. And for you, we have a special relationship.

I hope that you can move beyond the literal into the metaphorical language. Perhaps someday.

Matt. 13:3-14
3And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

QUOTE
"I hope that you can move beyond the literal into the metaphorical language. Perhaps someday."

Lol.
Your made up analogy is error.
Gross error.

QUOTE
"...but they are not taken from the earth"
Mat 25
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Raptured to heaven, to the marriage in heaven.
Jesus said he was going to heaven to prepare a place for us, so that where he is we may be also.

It is common knowledge that 10% is the tithe of the church.
Ten virgins out of 100 virgins is ten percent of the

QUOTE
"6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
that is NOT THE chuch.
Context context context
rev12
1
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3;And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4;And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5;And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6;And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

That, is Israel...beyond obvious.

 

[LTL]

The bible has tons of metaphorical language.
Tons of it.
Producing allegory that is not in the Bible is 100% error every single time.
By spiritualizing everything abd false definitions, you have simply made up your own little bible world

Yes. The parables
The part of the bible you interpret all by yourself and mess it up.
Like Jesus said " hearing is absent and eyesight is absent.
Yes it describes your perception perfectly.
Making up a tithe in the parable????
You literally made it up.
Flat out bizarre.
The only percentage in the parable is 50%.
Not even a slight hint of a tithe anywhere...ZERO.
SO...AMAZINGLY you start deciphering the parable from a totally erroneous position.

Jesus says; "start from Kansas and head to California"
You, ;"we know the sun rises in the east, and sun is pronounced "son" so that means we head east"

The first step you take is wrong, and every step leads you wrong.
Your building blocks are like rotted wood, and your structure is doomed.

I have never seen anyone so far off into a tangled mess.
Wow.

Okay,
sleep = death
mountian = nation
hill = small nation
river = army

Do you agree on these?

 

[Psalm1]

Okay,
sleep = death
mountian = nation
hill = small nation
river = army

Do you agree on these?

Not very time they are in passages.
Discernment is key to understanding what is written.

This is why I challenge you , in that you seem to be a maverick with private interpretation.
That guarantees error.
The body of Christ is given Revelation.
Not one man with mental interpretation.

That is why I asked you for a link to some like-minded interpretation.

Your strange spin is indeed strange.

 

[LTL]

Not very time they are in passages.
Discernment is key to understanding what is written.

This is why I challenge you , in that you seem to be a maverick with private interpretation.
That guarantees error.
The body of Christ is given Revelation.
Not one man with mental interpretation.

That is why I asked you for a link to some like-minded interpretation.

Your strange spin is indeed strange.

Do you have metaphors that are the same throughout scripture?
I agree they can be modified to the context of the verses, but in general.

Isa. 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain (nation) of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains (nations), and shall be exalted above the hills (smaller nations); and all nations shall flow unto it.

 

[Psalm1]

Do you have metaphors that are the same throughout scripture?
I agree they can be modified to the context of the verses, but in general.

Isa. 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain (nation) of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains (nations), and shall be exalted above the hills (smaller nations); and all nations shall flow unto it.

Could be.

 

[Psalm1]

Do you have metaphors that are the same throughout scripture?
I agree they can be modified to the context of the verses, but in general.

Isa. 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain (nation) of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains (nations), and shall be exalted above the hills (smaller nations); and all nations shall flow unto it.

Give me a link to a like minded interpretation of your spin.

 

[LTL]

Give me a link to a like minded interpretation of your spin.

I am reading scripture.

 

[LTL]

I am reading scripture.

Isa. 19:6 And they shall turn the rivers (armies) far away; and the brooks (small armies) of defence shall be emptied and dried up: the reeds and flags shall wither.

rivers = armies

 

[LTL]

Isa. 19:6 And they shall turn the rivers (armies) far away; and the brooks (small armies) of defence shall be emptied and dried up: the reeds and flags shall wither.

rivers = armies

Rev. 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river (army) Euphrates.

 

[Psalm1]

I am reading scripture.

Every erroneous doctrine does exactly that, and they are planted solidly in their deception.
You are saying that you know Noone that believes like you.

That authenticates you are wrong.

 

[Psalm1]

Do you have metaphors that are the same throughout scripture?
I agree they can be modified to the context of the verses, but in general.

Isa. 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain (nation) of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains (nations), and shall be exalted above the hills (smaller nations); and all nations shall flow unto it.

You proved your methods are messed up in the 10 virgin parable.

 

[LTL]

Every erroneous doctrine does exactly that, and they are planted solidly in their deception.
You are saying that you know Noone that believes like you.

That authenticates you are wrong.

There is probably a name for your logic.
1) an erroneous doctrine
2) fixed in a deception
3) without collaboration
4) proves the error


1) You are saying that metaphors are erroneous.
2) You are saying that the interpretation of metaphors is a deception.
3) You are saying that reading metaphors requires collaboration.
4) You are saying that the above three proves the error.