Dysfunctional Faith-Alone justification

[ATG]

He is arguing that “faith-alone” is impossible because no living person can ever be without works. But this misunderstands the doctrine.

Not quite. Faith-alone is certainly possible, but only dead:

Jas 2:18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

James{2:14}
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone...

The impossible is for anyone alive to be without works, since not doing good is also an evil work.

Jas 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

The dysfunction therefore is justification by faith-alone without works, and not by faith with works: Since no person can live on earth without doing good nor evil. (Which is akin to human relativism: there is no evil or good works, but only works.)

And further, how can anyone only be justified by faith-alone without works, and not by faith with works, and yet be justified by faith in practice? "The just shall live by his faith."

Once faith is being lived by, it's not faith-alone without works. And so, justification is not by faith-alone without works, but by faith with works.

Unless definitions are changed: Faith-alone is not without works, or practicing faith is not faith with works...

“Faith-alone” never meant that a believer has no works in their life;

Well said. James is not saying a person can live without works, which is only for the dead without spirit.

It's the faith-alone that people can have without works, that's also dead:

Jas 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Scripture is not speaking of dead men walking, but of men with dead faith.

 

[Dino246]

What is really making me wonder, is how it is only possible that almost the whole civilization can be temporarily built on a few passages of Paul taken out of context, and the whole teaching of him, including the words about love to the law/commandments by his spiritual man, the whole teaching of Gospel about the commandments leading to life eternal be ignored?

Bear in mind that the OP has invented his own concept, calls it “faith-alone”, and rails against all the imaginary people who believe in it. Don’t allow him to convince you that his delusion has anything to do with salvation by faith alone.

 

[ATG]

it meant that faith alone is the instrument by which God justifies.

False. Scripture never speaks of any alone attached to faith, that is not dead, but also alive to save the soul.

James{2:14}
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?...Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Other than in James 2, The insertion of faith-alone into any other Scripture of salvation and justification by faith, is only by people adding faith-alone to the Scripture, where it's not written:

Deu 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

We see here, that the prohibition of adding words to Scripture, is in order for God's people to keep His commandments. Which notably, justification by faith-alone without any works, forbids keeping His commandments by that saving faith. Why? Then it is justification by faith with keeping God's commandments, and not by faith-alone:

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
We also see, that having faith in Jesus Christ is not without keeping His commandments; And so the instrument of God's salvation is not faith-alone, which is always without works. (Else once again definitions must be changed, Faith-alone is with keeping commandments, or keeping commandments is not works.)

And finally, the instrument of God's salvation cannot be faith-alone without works, because Jesus' gift of faith, is never without works, but is always doing the Father's will:

Jhn 8:29
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

No one can receive Jesus Christ with faith-alone, because Jesus has no faith-alone to give, but only faith to walk as He walked.

Col 2:6
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

We receive Jesus' faith walking with Him, not standing alone doing nothing...Which is not possible in life, and especially not possible with Jesus Christ, who is always doing good:

Luk 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Act 10:38
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good,

3 John{1:11}
Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that is doing good is of God: but he that is doing evil hath not seen God.

And so, the instrument of God's salvation by Jesus Christ is only faith with keeping God's commandments and doing good with Him.

His argument confuses behavioral works with the forensic basis of justification,

Any argument that forensic is without behavioral works, is forensics of the dead alone.

Any argument of justification based upon forensics without behavioral works, is dysfunctional in justification and in science:

Forensics is only for behavior, not for nothing done. Without behavior, there is no active forensics. Without works, there is no living faith.

 

[GWH]

What is really making me wonder, is how it is only possible that almost the whole civilization can be temporarily built on a few passages of Paul taken out of context, and the whole teaching of him, including the words about love to the law/commandments by his spiritual man, the whole teaching of Gospel about the commandments leading to life eternal be ignored?

It is possible because God enables moral free will.
Why so many choose to reject His salvation is a mystery,
but I present good reasons to be a Christian theist in the Apologetics thread
in an effort to refute such ignorance.

 

[ATG]

and it misreads James’s “dead faith” as literal physical death.

False. James uses physical death without life to compare to dead faith without works.

James is not saying only the physically dead have faith-alone, nor that anyone having faith-alone like the dead has no works in life.

People seeking their justification by their faith-alone without works, are rejecting the dead faith in James that cannot save, is faith-alone without works...They resurrect James' dead faith-alone to be alive and saving without works...

They are the ones that preach it's possible to have faith-alone without works, as though any living person can be without works on earth, and not the dead alone.

They are the ones mistaking dead faith with physical death, in order to say they're faith can't be dead. They do not acknowledge having no works is only by physical death, in order to say they have faith-alone without works...

The result is a critique of a position no one actually holds.

Tell that to people who believe they can have faith-alone without works, and be alive.

And of course, the dysfunction is to be justified only by their faith-alone without works, and live their faith...

 

[Dino246]

False. Scripture never speaks of any alone attached to faith, that is not dead, but also alive to save the soul.

Right, because that is nonsense, and Scripture doesn’t speak nonsense.

 

[Inquisitor]

The impossible is for anyone alive to be without works, since not doing good is also an evil work.

Your concerning yourself with works too much.

A failure to bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit and your in serious trouble.

A Christian life without love is a pointless existence.

Widen your focus to include all three.

 

[Inquisitor]

The impossible is for anyone alive to be without works, since not doing good is also an evil work.

Your concerning yourself with works too much.

A failure to bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit and your in serious trouble.

A Christian life without love is a pointless existence.

Widen your focus to include all three.

 

[ATG]

To say that someone is alone is not to say that they exist in a void

True, but not arguing the challenge. No one alive can be void of works.

To say someone on earth is without works, is to say they're dead, not alive.

Likewise, when Paul said that we are declared righteous by works, then he was not referring to any kind of works that someone could do for any reason, but rather he was referring to a specific kind works done for a specific reason. When thing is apart from another thing, then there is a specific sense that it can be said to be alone apart from that other specific thing.

True again, but still not arguing the challenge:

The thing that faith-alone without works is apart from, is from any works, not only specific works. That's the faith-alone that cannot justify anyone doing any works, which is dysfunctional since only the dead can do no works at all...

We are declared righteous apart from works done in order to earn it as the result

Correct. Good job. You're not preaching apart from present works, but only from past works. Which before Christ were all dead without Christ:

Eph 2:12
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Titus{3:4}
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

, so we can use the word "alone" because that is what it means for one thing to be apart from another thing.

Problem is that the Scripture only uses 'alone' to condemn dead faith without works.

Paul speaks of saving faith without past works, not being alone. James speaks of dead faith without present works, being alone.

And so, you'd also be adding that word 'alone' to Scripture, where it's not written, and does not at all belong. Expounding on Scripture is not a license to add or take away from Scripture.

The question then becomes why use it at all? To be part of them that insist on it?

The word 'alone' has become a calling card idol for those seeing justification apart from their present works. As witnessed by writing it as 'Faith Alone', 'Faith Alone', and even 'Faith Alone!' As though bold CAPS and exclamations alone gives them power to save...

You can choose to understand Luther's the doctrine of faith alone or you can choose to just make up what you think it means and argue against the imaginary position that you've created.

I've only created the challenge to the dysfunction conclusion of justification by faith-alone without works, and no justification by faith with works. I only rebuke it.

If you think the doctrine isn't already created and trusted by many Christians, then tell that to those Christians who declare justification is only by FAITH ALONE!, and apart from any works they are doing...You tell them they're only justified by faith-alone apart from their past works, and not justified apart from their present works? You quickly become the enemy.

And so, pleasing them must be your goal. Otherwise, you wouldn't be trying to create a fault for rebuking that dysfunctional delusion.

Gal 1:10
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

 

[Inquisitor]

Only by confessing the Lord Jesus with my mouth, and doing His righteousness by His faith.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You have your salvation and works of unrighteousness separated only by your own faith-alone:

John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Faith-alone without works, is light-alone without shining: Dead and dark.

Jas 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Mat 6:23
If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

The dark light of faith alone...

The Apostle Paul confirms this in 1 Corinthians 6:11, stating: "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you
were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." [1, 2]
Here is how the two concepts work together:

• Justification: This is a legal declaration. Through faith in Jesus, God pardons your sins and credits Christ's perfect righteousness to you. God declares you "not guilty" and righteous in His sight. It is a one-time, complete act, entirely a gift of grace. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Sanctification: This is the lifelong process of being made holy and conformed to the image of Christ. While justification changes your standing before God, sanctification changes your life and behavior. It is the ongoing work of the Holy Spirit helping you die to sin and grow in righteousness. [1, 2, 3]

Ultimately, both are provided entirely through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, received by grace, and applied by the Holy Spirit.

See ATG, no hands.

 

[Roger316]

Unless definitions are changed: Faith-alone is not without works, or practicing faith is not faith with works...

That’s really my point. It sounds like the definition of *“faith alone”* you’re using isn’t the original one. The Reformation slogan was answering a very specific question: “What can I do to merit salvation from God?” And the answer was simply: nothing — salvation is not something we can earn.

Now, it’s possible I misunderstood what you were getting at. Maybe you’re focusing on how the phrase is used in current folk‑Christian language, and that’s a different discussion. If that’s the case, I can’t really speak to that usage; I’m only addressing the historical meaning of the slogan.

You’re right to point out that James talks about “faith without works” as dead, and I agree that James clearly expects faith to express itself in concrete action. But even there, we have to be careful not to flatten his meaning. Not all “works” are equal — even acts of charity can be used to manipulate public opinion or to signal virtue. I suspect James would include something deeper in his picture: works that actually cost us something, the kind of obedience, sacrifice, and integrity that cannot be faked because they flow from a transformed heart. In other words, James isn’t talking about performative goodness; he’s talking about the kind of lived faith that shows itself when there’s no applause and no advantage to be gained.

 

[Roger316]

False. Scripture never speaks of any alone attached to faith, that is not dead, but also alive to save the soul.

James{2:14}
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?...Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Other than in James 2, The insertion of faith-alone into any other Scripture of salvation and justification by faith, is only by people adding faith-alone to the Scripture, where it's not written:

Deu 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

We see here, that the prohibition of adding words to Scripture, is in order for God's people to keep His commandments. Which notably, justification by faith-alone without any works, forbids keeping His commandments by that saving faith. Why? Then it is justification by faith with keeping God's commandments, and not by faith-alone:

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
We also see, that having faith in Jesus Christ is not without keeping His commandments; And so the instrument of God's salvation is not faith-alone, which is always without works. (Else once again definitions must be changed, Faith-alone is with keeping commandments, or keeping commandments is not works.)

And finally, the instrument of God's salvation cannot be faith-alone without works, because Jesus' gift of faith, is never without works, but is always doing the Father's will:

Jhn 8:29
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

No one can receive Jesus Christ with faith-alone, because Jesus has no faith-alone to give, but only faith to walk as He walked.

Col 2:6
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

We receive Jesus' faith walking with Him, not standing alone doing nothing...Which is not possible in life, and especially not possible with Jesus Christ, who is always doing good:

Luk 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Act 10:38
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good,

3 John{1:11}
Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that is doing good is of God: but he that is doing evil hath not seen God.

And so, the instrument of God's salvation by Jesus Christ is only faith with keeping God's commandments and doing good with Him.






Any argument that forensic is without behavioral works, is forensics of the dead alone.

Any argument of justification based upon forensics without behavioral works, is dysfunctional in justification and in science:

Forensics is only for behavior, not for nothing done. Without behavior, there is no active forensics. Without works, there is no living faith.

Would you accept "Faith apart from meritorious works"?

 

[Roger316]

False. James uses physical death without life to compare to dead faith without works.

James is not saying only the physically dead have faith-alone, nor that anyone having faith-alone like the dead has no works in life.

People seeking their justification by their faith-alone without works, are rejecting the dead faith in James that cannot save, is faith-alone without works...They resurrect James' dead faith-alone to be alive and saving without works...

They are the ones that preach it's possible to have faith-alone without works, as though any living person can be without works on earth, and not the dead alone.

They are the ones mistaking dead faith with physical death, in order to say they're faith can't be dead. They do not acknowledge having no works is only by physical death, in order to say they have faith-alone without works...





Tell that to people who believe they can have faith-alone without works, and be alive.

And of course, the dysfunction is to be justified only by their faith-alone without works, and live their faith...

I hear what you’re saying, and I appreciate the way you’re trying to take James seriously. But I’m not sure I fully understand what *specific* dysfunction you see in the idea of being justified by faith apart from works. When you say it’s “dysfunctional,” do you mean logically inconsistent, pastorally harmful, or something else? I’d really like to understand your concern better. From my side, the original slogan was aimed at the question of **merit**, not the question of **how living faith expresses itself**, so I may be hearing your point differently than you intend. If you can unpack what you mean by “dysfunction,” I think it would help the conversation move forward in a good direction.

 

[Proximus]

Bear in mind that the OP has invented his own concept, calls it “faith-alone”, and rails against all the imaginary people who believe in it. Don’t allow him to convince you that his delusion has anything to do with salvation by faith alone.

As far as I understood, it is the natural conclusion from that idea that arises in the minds of those, who take the term "works of the law" outside of all context. The Judaic Church was at the time of the coming of the Lord proud with its loyalty to the ceremonial law, the greatest distinctive feature was considered the circumcision the like. Where as the Lord preached in the Gospel faith in Him, and life according to His Commandments leading to life eternal, the merit for both belonging to the Lord. So, He taught both faith and charity, which is also confirmed by Jacob, which speaks the demonic faith, which is such when it is deprived of the life according to the commandments. So, the holy commandment of the law was not meant, for Paul says that he delights in it with his internal man, and everyone will be judged by those laws. But in reference to the Judaic laws of the circumcision and the like he says that the true faith saves without those, that is, it does not matter at all whether a man is circumcised or not.

But when some folks made a mistaken, taking the term out of context, they thought that what was meant that a man is saved without life according to the commandments. Which is clearly not sane, and actually erroneous. And that is nevertheless preached, despite everything that is said in the Word. The point of this fallacious and false opinion was to get rid of the ideas of the Roman-Catholic church about the meritorious works of the many kinds. But in throwing out the water, the folks threw out the baby, for the true works, that is, following the spiritual-moral commandments are, as well as the faith, done by the Lord's Help, for "without Me you cannot do anything", and so the merit for both belongs to the Lord Alone.

 

[Proximus]

It is possible because God enables moral free will.
Why so many choose to reject His salvation is a mystery,
but I present good reasons to be a Christian theist in the Apologetics thread
in an effort to refute such ignorance.

Agreed. My statement was rather a suprise about how the magnititude to which the human erring can come up to. But considering that there was also Inquisition, and folks were burned alive by Christians, no great reason to wonder perhaps.

 

[GWH]

Agreed. My statement was rather a suprise about how the magnititude to which the human erring can come up to. But considering that there was also Inquisition, and folks were burned alive by Christians, no great reason to wonder perhaps.

Yes, and re your #74, a way to summarize the relationship between faith and works is that God initiates; sinners may cooperate or not.

 

[Proximus]

Yes, and re your #74, a way to summarize the relationship between faith and works is that God initiates; sinners may cooperate or not.

Perhaps, you mean the same as I do, or not. I see it in the following way: there is indeed an outflow from the Lord God of his love and wisdom, but a man does not necessarily feel it, though he lives by it, and so he is not expecting to feel it but has to act as if by his own power, and thus acquire faith and charity, and it doing it, he believes that it is from the Lord, and so when a man as if on his own conjoins the faith and charity, he believes, that in fact, it is the Lord who conjoins them in him, and also with Himself. Thus a man, due to the freedom flowing in from the Lord with him, comes from being in slavery to the true spiritual freedom, and this - gradually.

 

[Dino246]

As far as I understood, it is the natural conclusion from that idea that arises in the minds of those, who take the term "works of the law" outside of all context. The Judaic Church was at the time of the coming of the Lord proud with its loyalty to the ceremonial law, the greatest distinctive feature was considered the circumcision the like. Where as the Lord preached in the Gospel faith in Him, and life according to His Commandments leading to life eternal, the merit for both belonging to the Lord. So, He taught both faith and charity, which is also confirmed by Jacob, which speaks the demonic faith, which is such when it is deprived of the life according to the commandments. So, the holy commandment of the law was not meant, for Paul says that he delights in it with his internal man, and everyone will be judged by those laws. But in reference to the Judaic laws of the circumcision and the like he says that the true faith saves without those, that is, it does not matter at all whether a man is circumcised or not.

But when some folks made a mistaken, taking the term out of context, they thought that what was meant that a man is saved without life according to the commandments. Which is clearly not sane, and actually erroneous. And that is nevertheless preached, despite everything that is said in the Word. The point of this fallacious and false opinion was to get rid of the ideas of the Roman-Catholic church about the meritorious works of the many kinds. But in throwing out the water, the folks threw out the baby, for the true works, that is, following the spiritual-moral commandments are, as well as the faith, done by the Lord's Help, for "without Me you cannot do anything", and so the merit for both belongs to the Lord Alone.

"Natural conclusion" is a good choice of words. "Natural", as in "carnal" rather than "spiritual".

"Faith-alone" (note the hyphen) is his own unbiblical construct. Salvation by faith alone without works (which he is not addressing) is a biblical concept.

 

[Proximus]

"Natural conclusion" is a good choice of words. "Natural", as in "carnal" rather than "spiritual".

"Faith-alone" (note the hyphen) is his own unbiblical construct. Salvation by faith alone without works (which he is not addressing) is a biblical concept.

Friend, please pay attention to the context. In some contexts, the terms can mean different things. It is so in the Word of God and elsewhere in all literature, textbooks, etc.

Natural conculsion" means logical conclusion. But in the context when the natural not subordinated to the spiritual is spoken about, then the natural means carnal.

If that passage is understood with regard to those holy commandments, in which Paul, as he says, delight with his internal man, than the whole Christian teachings about charity are made null and void. What can be more insane!

Consider:

Matthew 22:37–39 — Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

John 13:34–35 — A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 15:1–6 — Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away… If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered.

John 15:9–10 — Continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love.

John 15:12 — This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

John 15:14 — Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

John 15:17 — These things I command you, that ye love one another.

1 John 2:4–6 — He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar… But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected.

1 John 3:10–11 — Whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

1 John 3:14–15 — He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer.

1 John 3:18 — Let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1 John 4:20–21 — If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar… And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

1 John 5:2–3 — By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.

2 John 1:5–6 — And now I beseech thee… that we love one another. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments.

3 John 1:11 — He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Romans 2:12–13 — For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Romans 2:14–15 — The Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law… Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts.

Romans 3:31 — Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 13:8–10 — He that loveth another hath fulfilled the law… Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

James 1:22–25 — But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves… a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:10–11 — Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

John 3:19–21 — Every one that doeth evil hateth the light… But he that doeth truth cometh to the light.

John 5:29 — They that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Matthew 16:27 — For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Revelation 14:13 — Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord… and their works do follow them.

Revelation 20:12–13 — And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works… and they were judged every man according to their works.

 

[Dino246]

Friend, please pay attention to the context. In some contexts, the terms can mean different things. It is so in the Word of God and elsewhere in all literature, textbooks, etc.

Natural conculsion" means logical conclusion. But in the context when the natural not subordinated to the spiritual is spoken about, then the natural means carnal.

If that passage is understood with regard to those holy commandments, in which Paul, as he says, delight with his internal man, than the whole Christian teachings about charity are made null and void. What can be more insane!

Consider:

Matthew 22:37–39 — Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

John 13:34–35 — A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 15:1–6 — Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away… If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered.

John 15:9–10 — Continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love.

John 15:12 — This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

John 15:14 — Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

John 15:17 — These things I command you, that ye love one another.

1 John 2:4–6 — He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar… But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected.

1 John 3:10–11 — Whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

1 John 3:14–15 — He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer.

1 John 3:18 — Let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1 John 4:20–21 — If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar… And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

1 John 5:2–3 — By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.

2 John 1:5–6 — And now I beseech thee… that we love one another. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments.

3 John 1:11 — He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Romans 2:12–13 — For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Romans 2:14–15 — The Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law… Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts.

Romans 3:31 — Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 13:8–10 — He that loveth another hath fulfilled the law… Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

James 1:22–25 — But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves… a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:10–11 — Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

John 3:19–21 — Every one that doeth evil hateth the light… But he that doeth truth cometh to the light.

John 5:29 — They that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Matthew 16:27 — For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Revelation 14:13 — Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord… and their works do follow them.

Revelation 20:12–13 — And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works… and they were judged every man according to their works.

You are off track here.

You keep trying to argue Bible with me.

I’m trying to tell you the OP is not arguing Bible at all.

You aren’t listening.