Is a Christ believing jew any less a Christian if they still keep the sabbaths and commandments save the animal sacrifice?
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You need to transport yourself back in time to Christ's day and see if you can say that Christians and unbelieving pharisees worshiped the same God. Then fast-forward back to today and tell me what the difference is.
Bible says they have been blinded in part. Messianic Jews represent a tiny fraction of both the global Jewish population (about 0.002%) and the total world population.
"Messianic Jew" is a modern label that arose of the 60's and 70's (so probably in your lifetime). It gave deference to a person's Jewish roots, and tacked on a belief in Jesus. You won't find that term in scripture. The unbelieving Jews were not friends of those who received Christ.
A worthwhile consideration may be "Huh, I wonder why some believing Jews want to be referred to as "Messianic Jews" and not simply as sons of God, saints, believers or any of the other descriptions the early Jewish believers used in the scriptures." If the scriptures teach there is neither Jew or Gentile in Christ why do some insist on keeping the label of their culture?
Jews have converted throughout history since the cross. Messianic Jews are a relatively new and minor part of that.
Back in the day my then girlfriends mom was a Christ believing jew from Russia. She referred to herself as a completed jew.
Ever heard that term? Kinda prophetic.
As an Israeli, I can say without a doubt that not all Jews worship the same God as we who are of Christ Jesus. Most are lost and outside of God, worshipping money and self.
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Yeah, I used to go to a messianic congregation. That's the language they use
I'm quoting the Bible. Do you not believe what it says? Why are you trying to make points to make it look like what I'm saying is wrong?
I agree completely and salvation is only found in Christ. Armin Tsarfati says exactly the same thing.
The problem I have with replacement theology is the concept that Israel exists now according to the will of man, not of God. That contradicts God's word.
The same observation concerning the Jews can be made about the supposed Christians in the supposedly Christian nations. And while church attendance is collapsing in the Western world, even America, the church is growing in the Middle East, even in Israel.
We can agree on that point. Not just the Jews. I have family that is not yet ready to go. I pray others will reach them where I can't. Time is short.
I would have to ask them. Which stinks because a Messianic Jew lived next to my parents. I'm sure they would have answered whatever I asked but they moved.
Israel is the Church.
From Abraham to Moses to David to Jesus to the millennial reign to the New Jerusalem it is all about Israel and the Gentiles were included.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
The new covenant is with Israel which God will turn the nation of Israel to the truth as a nation and restore the kingdom to Israel after they have borne their shame.
Which the 7 years peace in the Middle East will pave the way for all Hebrews to go to Israel which God said He will not leave them in the nations anymore and they shall know the LORD their God from that day forward and He will never hide His face from them again.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou
that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
The Jews will not see Jesus again until they acknowledge Jesus as Savior which that will happen because all people will see Jesus in the future.
Which when they accept Jesus then God will take away their sins and all Israel will be saved.
Jeremiah 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jeremiah 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Jesus will rule out of Jerusalem over the heathen on earth and Israel will be the only operating nation and government.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jeremiah 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
God did not cast away His people.
The ordinances of heaven the sun, moon, and stars are still in effect so God is still working with Israel and they will never cease from being a nation.
Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
A Gentile becomes a Jew inward and belongs to the commonwealth of Israel because they are the Church.
And it is obvious God did not replace them.
Revelation 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
It is the New Jerusalem which the names of the 12 apostles and the 12 tribes of Israel are written.
It does not appear Israel is no longer in the picture and does not appear God replaced them.
From Abraham to Moses to David to Jesus to the millennial reign to the New Jerusalem it is all about Israel and the Gentiles were included.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
The new covenant is with Israel which God will turn the nation of Israel to the truth as a nation and restore the kingdom to Israel after they have borne their shame.
Which the 7 years peace in the Middle East will pave the way for all Hebrews to go to Israel which God said He will not leave them in the nations anymore and they shall know the LORD their God from that day forward and He will never hide His face from them again.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou
that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
The Jews will not see Jesus again until they acknowledge Jesus as Savior which that will happen because all people will see Jesus in the future.
Which when they accept Jesus then God will take away their sins and all Israel will be saved.
Jeremiah 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jeremiah 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Jesus will rule out of Jerusalem over the heathen on earth and Israel will be the only operating nation and government.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jeremiah 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
God did not cast away His people.
The ordinances of heaven the sun, moon, and stars are still in effect so God is still working with Israel and they will never cease from being a nation.
Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
A Gentile becomes a Jew inward and belongs to the commonwealth of Israel because they are the Church.
And it is obvious God did not replace them.
Revelation 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
It is the New Jerusalem which the names of the 12 apostles and the 12 tribes of Israel are written.
It does not appear Israel is no longer in the picture and does not appear God replaced them.
It says that they are partially blinded, not fully blinded. There is always a remnant that believes.
The Bible is about true and false, not theology. Theology is people's opinion and is not from God.