Why is one going up and the other down? Mans spirit is made in the image and after the likeness of God, not so with beasts. "Do you think, seeing as the writer(inspired by the Holy Spirit) is confident that the human spirit returns to God but IS NOT SURE WHERE THE SPIRIT OF MAN AND BEASTS GOES..."???You just posted that the writer was confident that the human spirit returns to God, then you said he's not sure?? YOU'RE not sure, not him. Anything, no matter how ridiculous, to say "That's my story and I'm sticking to it." LOL, LOL, LOL. You guys are a riot. LOL.
Was Mary Sinless?
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Do you have to be saved to know murder is wrong? You have no idea what you are talking about. What is foolishness to the soul is the spiritual dynamic of God's word but it's moral and ethical dynamic is very understandable which is how people can be drawn to the light. It is why God expected all of Israel to follow His commands whether they were saved or not. How can you not understand that Christ spoke of ordinary, everyday events to explain the rights and wrongs of how things in God's Kingdom operates, utterly confounds me. People (those not born again) understood the injustice of tenants killing the vineyard owners son (moral and ethical properties) but could not relate that to the Messianic prophesies that the Messiah had to die (spiritual properties).
You have proven both men and beasts have breath as that is the foundational meaning of the word. Once again you say God speaks to our spirit but still refuse to show how a deadened spirit that cannot function hears that call.
Did you read the verse? The writer is unsure whether the spirit of man goes up and beasts go down. See the question mark at the end of the statement? He cannot say one way or the other.
Ecc.3:21
21Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”
But when speaking of the human spirit, he is confident it returns to God. No questioning whatsoever.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
He is using the word "spirit" in two different ways for animals do not have a spirit born of God. According to you, our spirits are made in the image of God yet you see no problem with trying to equate both men and beasts having spirits? What we do have in common though is breath. What he is not sure of is where the breath of man and beast go but the human spirit he is confident returns to God.
There is not a scripture that speaks of our spirits being made, only given Ecc.12:7 or born Jn.3:6. As to proving both men and beasts have spirits?
All you have proven is you do not understand how the word can be used which is most likely why what I said above went right over your head. Beasts are not made in the image of God which is why their breath (spirit) goes down and returns to the earth. That is from where they came. Gen.1:24 Men are not made like animals and the spirit God gives is only to those who believe. You have these deadened worthless spirits (of unbelievers) returning to God based on your theology. You honestly think God welcomes these spirits back into His Kingdom?You have so many holes in your theology it is an embarrassment to be out in public.
You have a deadened, non-functional spirit that can hear.
Spirits being resurrected instead of born.
Souls that cannot comprehend what they hear, even though the Holy Spirit is in the unbelieving world convincing people of right, wrong and judgment. What a waste of time that must be for Him.
You have us "deadened" in our sin even though the scripture states we are dead in our sin.
And you have "deadened" spirits returning to God. He must be thrilled at the prospect.
I'd give you more rope but I think you have tied enough knots to choke an elephant.
When I had said that when we are born again, God gives us a human spirit?
Did you not say that we already have a human spirit?
Was that not you?
I agree with God, AT HIS WORD, unlike you. I'd quit too, if painted into a corner.
Don't you, of all people, know that there is a difference between dead and deadened. Dead: refers to the state of no longer being alive or functioning. Deadened: Something that has been made less intense or reduced in vitality. In the case of the human spirit at birth, sin caused our spirits to be less intense and/or reduced in vitality, but still able to be quickened by the Word of God, which is spirit, if believed and received by faith. I NEVER posted about ANYONE having a dead spirit, there is no such thing.
Careful.
Don't place yourself up too high.
Pride comes before a fall. Proverbs 16:18
You can't tell the difference between reviving something that had become dead?
With being born?
We are to be born again.
Tell us all...
Did your father's sperm revive a deadened embryo in your mother's womb?
That, in effect, has been what you have been twisting into your irrational rationalization.
We must be born again, means?
That we must have our deadened spirit resurrected?
Your real problem is you can not admit when you are wrong.
My Bible reads " Who knoweth the spirit of man THAT GOETH UPWARD, and the spirit if the beast THAT GOETH DOWNWARD to the earth." The only question raised is " who knoweth ", there are no ifs. He states a truth revealed to him by the author of the scripture given to him, the Holy Spirit. Obviously the only One who knows is God Himself, the Holy Spirit IS God, sooo. Yes men and beasts have spirits, I never claimed they were the same, as a matter of fact I differentiated between the two when I posted that human spirits were made in the image and after the likeness of God, beasts not so much, remember? " What he is not sure of is where the breath of man and beast go but the human spirit he is confident returns to God." By your own reasoning you state that spirit and breath are the same foundationally, so how can he be unsure of where the breath of man goes but knows where mans spirit goes?? Are the two ever separated?? I NEVER SAID THAT SPIRITS WERE MADE. If man only receives a spirit upon salvation that means God had to create a new spirit, but I read that God COMPLETED creation in the book of Genesis. " And I will give unto them one heart, and I will put a NEW SPIRIT within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:" Eze 11:19. The word "new" in this passage is the word Heb. 2318 khaw-dash; a prime root; to be new; caus. to REBUILD:- RENEW, REPAIR. Since God has completed creation, new, in this case, means to rebuild, renew or repair mans spirits. You don't understand how the word new is used. Deadened spirits, belonging to those who do not receive Jesus Christ as their Savior, when it leaves the body, is returned to God who gave it, in it's original state, freed from it's sinful earthly environs. ' "Souls than cannot comprehend what they hear, even though the Holy Spirit is in the unbelieving world." Yes, and YOU were in that state at one time until you heard a Word that quickened that deadened spirit within you and were drawn to receive Jesus Christ as your Savior, if you have. You have the Father, who is Spirit, the Holy Spirit ( self explanatory) and the Word, which is spirit, Jn 6:63, and you think that you can receive of God with your soul, which is enmity against God??? You've got to be kidding. God had to put a spiritual receptor ( an organ or cell able to respond to light( I am the Light of the world) or other EXTERNAL stimulus and transmit a signal to a sensory nerve-soul?) in us. His will is that none be lost and if He hadn't equipped all of us with what was necessary to receive Jesus, He would be a respecter of persons, He could be blamed, there would be an excuse to be had. As for the rest of your drivel, it's already been addressed, you just don't comprehend.Do you have to be saved to know murder is wrong? You have no idea what you are talking about. What is foolishness to the soul is the spiritual dynamic of God's word but it's moral and ethical dynamic is very understandable which is how people can be drawn to the light. It is why God expected all of Israel to follow His commands whether they were saved or not. How can you not understand that Christ spoke of ordinary, everyday events to explain the rights and wrongs of how things in God's Kingdom operates, utterly confounds me. People (those not born again) understood the injustice of tenants killing the vineyard owners son (moral and ethical properties) but could not relate that to the Messianic prophesies that the Messiah had to die (spiritual properties).
You have proven both men and beasts have breath as that is the foundational meaning of the word. Once again you say God speaks to our spirit but still refuse to show how a deadened spirit that cannot function hears that call.
Did you read the verse? The writer is unsure whether the spirit of man goes up and beasts go down. See the question mark at the end of the statement? He cannot say one way or the other.
Ecc.3:21
21Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”
But when speaking of the human spirit, he is confident it returns to God. No questioning whatsoever.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
He is using the word "spirit" in two different ways for animals do not have a spirit born of God. According to you, our spirits are made in the image of God yet you see no problem with trying to equate both men and beasts having spirits? What we do have in common though is breath. What he is not sure of is where the breath of man and beast go but the human spirit he is confident returns to God.
There is not a scripture that speaks of our spirits being made, only given Ecc.12:7 or born Jn.3:6. As to proving both men and beasts have spirits?
You have so many holes in your theology it is an embarrassment to be out in public.
You have a deadened, non-functional spirit that can hear.
Spirits being resurrected instead of born.
Souls that cannot comprehend what they hear, even though the Holy Spirit is in the unbelieving world convincing people of right, wrong and judgment. What a waste of time that must be for Him.
You have us "deadened" in our sin even though the scripture states we are dead in our sin.
And you have "deadened" spirits returning to God. He must be thrilled at the prospect.
I'd give you more rope but I think you have tied enough knots to choke an elephant.
Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black! You and Sawdie have spoken, you think, down to me, called me all kinds of names, said I'm lost, don't have the Spirit, etc., etc. from your perch high above just about everyone else and you tell ME not to place myself too high? " For you see your calling, brethren, how that NOT MANY WISE MEN(you, in your eyes) after the flesh, not many mighty, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world( me, in your eyes) to confound THE WISE; 1 Cor. 1:27
I have no problem whatsoever admitting when I'm wrong, when I am. Born: Greek 1080 ghen-nah-o from a var. of 1085; to procreate( prop. of the father, but by exten. of the mother) *Human*; fig. to REGENERATE:- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.*Spirit* Starred words mine. Here is where born means regenerate, spiritually. Look it up yourselves.
Beasts do not have spirits, they have breath which is what the writer is talking about. Spirits are born of God. Beasts do not partake of God, only men do.
Your inability to recognise a question mark and your ignorance of what the word can mean in it's different usages keeps you from seeing the truth.
You said exactly that.
We are souls, our soul is made in the image and likeness of God. Our spirit is born of God when we believe the Gospel, it is never a created entity. It is given or born only, that's it.
You quote he will put a NEW spirit in man while advocating He resurrects an old one.
Our spirit is born, Jn.3:6 our soul is enlightened and transformed in it's thinking Rom.12:2 and our bodies are resurrected. 1Cor.15:42
Get the message straight or go peddle your crazy talk elsewhere. I'm done.
Have a nice day.
Once again your perspective of interpretation colours your thinking of what we say. I have never said you don't have the Spirit or that you are lost and to the best of my remembrance, have never called you names. I have attacked your thinking, your interpretation and your theology, but not you.
What I give and what you may take are not always necessarily the same.
grace and peace
Tell me?
What spirit has been working on you to make you believe you are very smart?
We are supposed to test the spirits.
Because angels of light will bring our way false notions that are designed to make us think we are wise.
*Human*; fig. to REGENERATE:- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.*Spirit*
What has that got to do with making a "deadened" spirit to be alive? To be "born again?" NONSENSE!
You throw out words like a magician uses hand movements to get your eyes off of what he is really doing.
What you say is totally convoluted...
And, then you say to me?
"See! I am right!"
Stop with the BS.
You are obeying a wrong spirit, and you are becoming more like him the longer you keep denying the corrections that come your way.
Nicodemus knew exactly what the words Jesus used meant.
But, Nicodemus misconstrued what Jesus was getting at.
"How can someone be born when they are old?" Nicodemus asked.
"Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother's womb to be born!"
It was about being born!!!!!
Not, about snapping something out of a state of deadness!
So? .....
How long are you going to hang onto your stupid idea?
Yes! Stupid.
We all make mistakes.
Smart people make mistakes.
But, because they are smart?
They will allow for correction quickly.
Someone duped you.
That is the one who is your enemy.
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Luke 1: 46-47 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my savior.
If Mary calls God her savior, she must have been a repentant sinner.
I am not saying you are lost.
Never would say that.
For, if you believed in Jesus?
You have the Holy Spirit.
Of Whom you are now grieving and quenching.
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me, I will never drive away.
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise
them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in
him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
John 6:37-40