The book of Job

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Yes. I should have clarified better, and I used the word “verse” when I should have used “word”.

You wrote:



The end of this verse says, “…the judge standeth before the door.” That word “judge” is the Greek word “kurios” Strong’s #2692 which means “God, Lord, master."

You had suggested this “must be referring to Elihu as the judge”, but the point I was making is that there is only *one* God, Lord, and master in the book of Job. The only God, Lord and master in Job is the Lord God, Yahweh.

Consider other translations of James 5:8:

King James Bible Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

NASB You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.

ASV Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord is at hand.

ESV You also, be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.

Elihu is not the Judge, nor is he God, the Lord, or the master. In court terms, Elihu is a Prosecutor. Additionally, he is a persecutor and an accuser of the brethren.

Thank you for clarifying.

Elihu is not acting as a Prosecutor. The defendant does not stand up before the Prosecutor to plead his case. The defendant pleads his case before the Judge and Jury.

Definition of a daysman = Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. to prove, decide, judge, rebuke, reprove, correct, be right
    1. (Hiphil)
      1. to decide, judge
      2. to adjudge, appoint
      3. to show to be right, prove
      4. to convince, convict
      5. to reprove, chide
      6. to correct, rebuke
    2. (Hophal) to be chastened
    3. (Niphal) to reason, reason together
    4. (Hithp) to argue
    5. Job defines the daysman = Job 9:33 Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:34 Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me.
      Job 9:35 Then would I speak, and not fear him; but it is not so with me. My Bible clearly states that Elihu is Job's daysman. That Elihu is standing in the place of God according to the wish of Job.
Job 33:6 Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay.

If you say, only when God is speaking do the words count as truth, then if you follow that out less than ten per cent of the bible is truth.

If you follow that thought out further, than we all can make the Bible say whatever we want.

PS. A Prosecutor does not lay his hands on the judge or the defendant.
 
Thank you for clarifying.

Elihu is not acting as a Prosecutor. The defendant does not stand up before the Prosecutor to plead his case. The defendant pleads his case before the Judge and Jury.

From the Ledger to the Father: A Bridge from Natural to Transcendent Thinking​


There is a form of prayer that most of us begin with. It is honest, it is earnest, and it is completely understandable — but it is fundamentally transactional. We approach God the way we might approach a judge: presenting our case, documenting our faithfulness, and expecting a ruling in our favor. Job did this. He was not a wicked man. He was a righteous man who believed that righteousness entitled him to an answer.


But Elihu comes to Job with a stunning reorientation. Wisdom, he says, does not come from seniority or from having kept the rules longest. It comes from the breath of the Almighty (Job 32:8) — and this breath is not earned, it is given. John shows us the fulfillment of this when the risen Jesus breathes on His disciples and says, "Receive the Holy Spirit" (John 20:22). The source of true understanding has always been the same: direct impartation from God Himself.


Yet God has been speaking all along, and we have not perceived it (Job 33:14). Paul prays precisely for this breakthrough in Ephesians 1 — that the Father would give believers a spirit of wisdom and revelation so that the eyes of their hearts might be opened. The problem is never that God is silent. The problem is that we are listening with the wrong ears — ears tuned to the frequency of fairness, not transformation.


When suffering comes, our natural mind interprets it as evidence that the ledger is broken — that God has miscounted, or worse, that He has turned against us. But Elihu reframes suffering entirely. It is not punitive; it is mediatorial. There is one among a thousand, an interpreter, who ransoms the sufferer and restores him (Job 33:23–24). The writer of Hebrews shows us who that mediator is: Jesus, who was made like us in every way, who suffered the same things, yet without sin — and who therefore stands as our great high priest, not outside our pain, but inside it (Hebrews 4:15).


And here is where the deepest shift must occur. Job's real crisis was not his suffering. It was his category for God. He was relating to God as a judge before whom he had a righteous claim. But Jesus told His disciples, "I no longer call you servants — I call you friends" (John 15:15). Paul goes further still: Jesus is the firstborn among many brethren (Romans 8:29). We are not petitioners before a bench. We are children before a Father.


This changes everything about how we receive correction, suffering, and the silence of God. A judge renders a verdict and moves on. But a father? A father is committed to your outcome. A coach can rebuke you sharply for a mistake — and the rebuke is real — but the goal of every correction is to turn you into a champion. The father-coach is not neutral about your growth. He is invested in it. He is working for you even when it feels like He is working against you.


This is Elihu's great message to Job — and through Job, to us. God is not a cosmic accountant reviewing your file. He is a Father forming you into His likeness. The storms, the silence, the suffering — none of it is punishment for a righteous man. It is curriculum. It is the training ground for transcendence. God Himself is transcendent, and He intends His children to be transcendent with Him — exercising dominion, overcoming the world, bearing His image in fullness.


The transformation Job is about to receive from the whirlwind does not come because God finally answers his legal complaint. It comes because Job's framework for who God is gets shattered and rebuilt. That is the Melchizedekian shift: from covenant keeper to son, from petitioner to heir, from one who demands fairness to one who has encountered the living God and will never be the same.
 

The Whirlwind and the Word: God's Vision of the Melchizedekian Overcomer​


When God speaks from the whirlwind, He does not answer Job's complaint. He does something far more radical — He introduces Job to a Person. And that Person, seen fully in the light of the New Testament, is Jesus Christ.


"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?"


This question is not cruelty. It is an invitation. But notice who could answer it. Paul tells the Colossians that by Him all things were created — things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, thrones, dominions, principalities, powers — all things were created through Him and for Him (Colossians 1:16). Jesus was there. Jesus did this. When God asks Job where he was at the foundation of creation, He is simultaneously pointing forward to the One who was present — who is therefore supremely, uniquely qualified to be our high priest, our advocate, our coach. You want someone in your corner who has seen everything, built everything, and understands how all of it works. That is who Jesus is.


"All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Him."


God's tour of creation — the boundaries of the sea, the storehouses of snow, the ordinances of the constellations — is not a display of cold omnipotence. It is the curriculum of a master coach. Paul tells the Colossians that in Christ are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge (Colossians 2:3). Think of what that means in athletic terms. You are facing an opponent who seems completely overwhelming — the odds are impossible, the gap is too wide. But your coach has studied every tendency, every weakness, every angle. He has a strategy that turns your apparent disadvantage into the very path to victory. That is what God is showing Job: the wisdom that governs creation is not random or cruel. It is the strategic genius of a coach who already knows how this ends.


"Who can govern the wild creatures? Who commands the lion and the raven?"


At first, God's parade of untameable creatures is frightening. Nothing submits to man. The wild donkey runs free, the eagle nests beyond reach, the warhorse laughs at the sound of battle. But then the New Testament reframes the entire picture. Jesus Christ is Lord of all — and that means Lord of every creature, visible and invisible, tame and wild. We see this dramatically in the ten plagues: frogs, lice, flies, locusts deployed as God's army against the most powerful empire on earth. Only God can conscript creation itself as His fighting force. And when we pray in the name of Jesus, we are invoking the authority of the One before whom every creature — every principality, every power — must ultimately bow. The wild things are not a threat to the one who knows the Lord of the wild things.


"Can you bind the Pleiades or loose the belt of Orion?"


The Colossian believers had a small Jesus. They were being drawn toward philosophical systems and cosmic hierarchies that seemed grander, more sophisticated, more cosmically significant than a carpenter from Nazareth. Paul's entire response is to expand their vision: Christ is not one spiritual power among many. He is the one through whom the constellations were set in their courses. He holds the Pleiades. He loosed Orion. Every principality and power that the false teachers were asking the Colossians to appease was itself created by and for the One they were tempted to diminish. God's questions about the heavens to Job are an early echo of Paul's great Christological hymn: there is no corner of the cosmos, no heavenly body, no spiritual hierarchy that is not already under the feet of Jesus Christ.


"Behold now Behemoth... and Leviathan."


This is the climax — and it is the most thrilling passage in the entire book once you see it through Melchizedekian eyes. There is no reason for God to describe these creatures to a suffering man unless the point is dominion. God is not showing Job a threat. He is showing Job a destiny.


Job has been in the ring for the entire book — battered, bewildered, barely standing. But what if the ring was not punishment? What if it was sparring? Think of the story of Seabiscuit. The owner is thrilled because his horse has been winning races — until the trainer asks, against who? Then he points to War Admiral and says: that is a great horse. If you are going to be a champion, you must beat the champion. You don't prepare for War Admiral by running against ordinary horses.


God has been allowing Job to spar with suffering, loss, accusation, and despair — not because He is indifferent, but because He is preparing Job for Behemoth and Leviathan. The chaos that nearly destroyed Job is actually the training camp for the overcomer. And the breathtaking implication for every believer is this: God actually thinks we can win. Not in our own strength — but in Jesus Christ, the One who has already triumphed over every principality and power, who has led captivity captive, who has made an open spectacle of the rulers of darkness.


This is both terrifying and thrilling. God looks at Leviathan — at the chaos, the darkness, the seemingly unconquerable forces arrayed against His people — and then He looks at you, and He is not worried. He has been preparing you for exactly this. The suffering was the sparring. The coach knew all along what the championship bout required. And in Christ, the firstborn among many brethren, the pioneer of our salvation made perfect through suffering, we are not victims of Leviathan. We are its overcomers.


That is the Melchizedekian vision. Not a priest managing a religious system. A king-priest who has been through the fire, trained by the Master Coach, and is now ready to exercise dominion — over Behemoth, over Leviathan, over every power that has ever said you cannot win this.
 

The Whirlwind Within: Job's Transformation and the Pauline Revelation​


When Job says "I have heard of you by the hearing of the ear, but now my eye sees you," he is describing something that Paul would recognize immediately — not as theology, but as biography. Paul writes to the Galatians that when it pleased God, who had separated him from his mother's womb, He revealed His Son in him — not merely to him (Galatians 1:15–16). This is the crucial distinction. Job does not receive new information about God. He receives an inward revelation of the Son. The whirlwind is not a lecture. It is an impartation. And like Paul, the moment it happens, Job no longer needs to confer with flesh and blood. He has seen. He knows. And that knowing will now go to work in the world.


The Repentance of the Framework


When Job abhors himself and repents in dust and ashes, we must resist the instinct to read guilt into that moment. Paul gives us the interpretive key in Philippians 3. The things that were once gain to him — his pedigree, his religious accomplishment, his righteousness according to the law — he now counts as loss. Not merely as worthless, but as dung (Philippians 3:8). This is not self-hatred. It is the natural consequence of having seen something so vastly superior that the old framework becomes not just inadequate but an actual obstacle. Job's dust and ashes is Paul's dung heap. Both men are making the same declaration: I am releasing every claim I once made on the basis of my own righteousness, because I have now seen a righteousness that makes mine look like nothing.


And notice what Paul is reaching for instead. Not mere forgiveness, not doctrinal correctness, but the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus — to know Him, and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, that he might attain the resurrection of the dead (Philippians 3:10–11). This is the full Melchizedekian arc compressed into a single paragraph. Suffering, conformity, death, resurrection — and a prize at the end that Paul has not yet fully apprehended, but presses toward because Christ has already apprehended him. Job's latter end greater than his beginning is Paul's I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:14).


The Double Inheritance and the Daughters


Job's restoration is not a return to baseline. It is doubled — and then something new appears that was not there before. His daughters receive an inheritance alongside their brothers. In an ancient world governed entirely by male inheritance, this is a Melchizedekian act: the old order no longer applies. A new and greater framework has arrived.


Paul's daughters are the church. And the inheritance he secures for them is not material but revelatory. Ephesians 1 is Paul's great prayer that the church would comprehend what has been given to them — the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of their hearts enlightened to know the hope of His calling, the riches of His glorious inheritance in the saints, and the exceeding greatness of His power toward those who believe (Ephesians 1:17–19). Job gives his daughters what no father in his culture gave: a full inheritance. Paul gives the church what no religious system had ever offered: a full revelation of their inheritance in Christ. The daughter who receives what was previously reserved only for sons — that is the Gentile church, brought into the commonwealth of Israel, made fellow heirs, receiving the full inheritance of the firstborn Son.


The Intercessor Who Has Been Through the Fire


When God instructs the three friends to bring their burnt offerings to Job and have him pray for them, something remarkable is happening. The man who was accused, abandoned, and reduced to scraping his sores with a potsherd is now the only one whose prayer God will accept on their behalf. Suffering has made him the intercessor. This is precisely the logic of Hebrews: Jesus, made perfect through suffering, becomes the author of eternal salvation — a high priest who can be touched by the feeling of our infirmities because He has been through them (Hebrews 4:15, 5:8–9). The credential for Melchizedekian intercession is not lineage. It is the fellowship of suffering.


Paul understood this from the inside. Romans 11 shows him interceding for Israel — his own kinsmen who had rejected the gospel — carrying a burden so deep he could wish himself accursed for their sake (Romans 9:3). And in 2 Corinthians he declares that God has given us the ministry of reconciliation — that we are ambassadors through whom God is making His appeal to the world (2 Corinthians 5:18–20). The one who has been reconciled through suffering becomes the agent of reconciliation for others. Job praying for his tormentors. Paul interceding for Israel. The pattern is identical because the priesthood is the same.


The Full Vision: Christ in You, Going to War


But Paul's Galatians passage contains one more element that ties everything together. God revealed His Son in Paul that he might preach Him among the nations. The revelation is not an end in itself. It is a commission. And that commission is nothing less than the defeat of Behemoth and Leviathan through proclamation.


This is the Melchizedekian overcomer in full operation. The suffering was the sparring. The whirlwind was the commissioning. The inward revelation of Christ is the weaponry. And the preaching — the ministry of reconciliation, the declaration of the excellency of Christ, the prayer of the intercessor — that is how dominion is exercised. Not by force of arms but by the power of a life that has been through the fire and come out the other side having seen God.


Job ends the book not merely wealthy and restored, but transformed into something his culture had no category for: a man who has seen God directly, who intercedes for his enemies, who bestows inheritance on his daughters, who lives from a new order entirely. Paul ends his letter to the Philippians pressing toward a prize he has not yet fully grasped, having counted everything else as dung, knowing that the One who apprehended him will bring it to completion.


Both men are saying the same thing. The whirlwind was worth it. The seeing was worth everything it cost. And the Christ who was revealed — in the storm, in the suffering, in the resurrection — is Lord of the constellations, master of Leviathan, coach of overcomers, and Father of a family that will one day possess the full inheritance He has been preparing them for all along.
 

The Whirlwind and the Word: God's Vision of the Melchizedekian Overcomer​


When God speaks from the whirlwind, He does not answer Job's complaint. He does something far more radical — He introduces Job to a Person. And that Person, seen fully in the light of the New Testament, is Jesus Christ.


"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?"


This question is not cruelty. It is an invitation. But notice who could answer it. Paul tells the Colossians that by Him all things were created — things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, thrones, dominions, principalities, powers — all things were created through Him and for Him (Colossians 1:16). Jesus was there. Jesus did this. When God asks Job where he was at the foundation of creation, He is simultaneously pointing forward to the One who was present — who is therefore supremely, uniquely qualified to be our high priest, our advocate, our coach. You want someone in your corner who has seen everything, built everything, and understands how all of it works. That is who Jesus is.


"All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Him."


God's tour of creation — the boundaries of the sea, the storehouses of snow, the ordinances of the constellations — is not a display of cold omnipotence. It is the curriculum of a master coach. Paul tells the Colossians that in Christ are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge (Colossians 2:3). Think of what that means in athletic terms. You are facing an opponent who seems completely overwhelming — the odds are impossible, the gap is too wide. But your coach has studied every tendency, every weakness, every angle. He has a strategy that turns your apparent disadvantage into the very path to victory. That is what God is showing Job: the wisdom that governs creation is not random or cruel. It is the strategic genius of a coach who already knows how this ends.


"Who can govern the wild creatures? Who commands the lion and the raven?"


At first, God's parade of untameable creatures is frightening. Nothing submits to man. The wild donkey runs free, the eagle nests beyond reach, the warhorse laughs at the sound of battle. But then the New Testament reframes the entire picture. Jesus Christ is Lord of all — and that means Lord of every creature, visible and invisible, tame and wild. We see this dramatically in the ten plagues: frogs, lice, flies, locusts deployed as God's army against the most powerful empire on earth. Only God can conscript creation itself as His fighting force. And when we pray in the name of Jesus, we are invoking the authority of the One before whom every creature — every principality, every power — must ultimately bow. The wild things are not a threat to the one who knows the Lord of the wild things.


"Can you bind the Pleiades or loose the belt of Orion?"


The Colossian believers had a small Jesus. They were being drawn toward philosophical systems and cosmic hierarchies that seemed grander, more sophisticated, more cosmically significant than a carpenter from Nazareth. Paul's entire response is to expand their vision: Christ is not one spiritual power among many. He is the one through whom the constellations were set in their courses. He holds the Pleiades. He loosed Orion. Every principality and power that the false teachers were asking the Colossians to appease was itself created by and for the One they were tempted to diminish. God's questions about the heavens to Job are an early echo of Paul's great Christological hymn: there is no corner of the cosmos, no heavenly body, no spiritual hierarchy that is not already under the feet of Jesus Christ.


"Behold now Behemoth... and Leviathan."


This is the climax — and it is the most thrilling passage in the entire book once you see it through Melchizedekian eyes. There is no reason for God to describe these creatures to a suffering man unless the point is dominion. God is not showing Job a threat. He is showing Job a destiny.


Job has been in the ring for the entire book — battered, bewildered, barely standing. But what if the ring was not punishment? What if it was sparring? Think of the story of Seabiscuit. The owner is thrilled because his horse has been winning races — until the trainer asks, against who? Then he points to War Admiral and says: that is a great horse. If you are going to be a champion, you must beat the champion. You don't prepare for War Admiral by running against ordinary horses.


God has been allowing Job to spar with suffering, loss, accusation, and despair — not because He is indifferent, but because He is preparing Job for Behemoth and Leviathan. The chaos that nearly destroyed Job is actually the training camp for the overcomer. And the breathtaking implication for every believer is this: God actually thinks we can win. Not in our own strength — but in Jesus Christ, the One who has already triumphed over every principality and power, who has led captivity captive, who has made an open spectacle of the rulers of darkness.


This is both terrifying and thrilling. God looks at Leviathan — at the chaos, the darkness, the seemingly unconquerable forces arrayed against His people — and then He looks at you, and He is not worried. He has been preparing you for exactly this. The suffering was the sparring. The coach knew all along what the championship bout required. And in Christ, the firstborn among many brethren, the pioneer of our salvation made perfect through suffering, we are not victims of Leviathan. We are its overcomers.


That is the Melchizedekian vision. Not a priest managing a religious system. A king-priest who has been through the fire, trained by the Master Coach, and is now ready to exercise dominion — over Behemoth, over Leviathan, over every power that has ever said you cannot win this.

As with every good fiction writer, a little truth thrown in makes it edible. And credit where credit is due, you are a good writer.
 

Problems with Job being a priest after the order of Melchizedek

Job was upright until sin was found in him. Job failed the second test when he did not bless God. Then Job cursed. Psa 109:17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him. Jas 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

You might say Romans 3:14 doesn’t fit Job according to the context, but you would be wrong. Job was only upright until sin was found in him. Look at the start of this context. Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

It would seem the antagonists would place Job above common man, and seat him as a god. You say Job is a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Who was Melchizedek? He had neither father nor mother, nor beginning or ending. He could be likened unto the Captain of the Host who Joshua met.

Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?

You are setting Job as God when you say he is a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Do you really want to place Job that high? A man who said he didn’t know how to be right with God. A man who said he didn’t know who God was. A man who related himself to a hireling who wanted to be free from his master. A man who said God would laugh at the trial of the innocent. A man who was striving with God. A man who reproved God. A man who instructed God. A man who thought his righteousness was greater than God’s. A man who cursed.
 
Problems with Job being a priest after the order of Melchizedek

Job was upright until sin was found in him. Job failed the second test when he did not bless God. Then Job cursed. Psa 109:17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him. Jas 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

You might say Romans 3:14 doesn’t fit Job according to the context, but you would be wrong. Job was only upright until sin was found in him. Look at the start of this context. Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

It would seem the antagonists would place Job above common man, and seat him as a god. You say Job is a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Who was Melchizedek? He had neither father nor mother, nor beginning or ending. He could be likened unto the Captain of the Host who Joshua met.

Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?

You are setting Job as God when you say he is a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Do you really want to place Job that high? A man who said he didn’t know how to be right with God. A man who said he didn’t know who God was. A man who related himself to a hireling who wanted to be free from his master. A man who said God would laugh at the trial of the innocent. A man who was striving with God. A man who reproved God. A man who instructed God. A man who thought his righteousness was greater than God’s. A man who cursed.

1. "Job failed the second test when he did not bless God"​


This objection misreads the text at a critical juncture. The book of Job itself provides the verdict, and it is unambiguous:


"In all this Job did not sin with his lips." — Job 2:10

And at the close of the trial:


"You have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has." — Job 42:7

God's own assessment, delivered after the entirety of Job's complaint, his cursing of his birthday, his wrestling and questioning — is that Job spoke rightly. The critic cites Psalm 109:17, Romans 3:14, and James 3:10 against Job. But none of those texts name Job. The application of "whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness" to a man whom God Himself publicly vindicates is not an exegetical argument — it is an accusation that contradicts the divine verdict in the text.


Job's cursing of the day of his birth (Job 3) is not the same as cursing God. Job's three friends — who certainly did not curse in the same way — were told that they had not spoken rightly. The cursing of a day is grief. The friends' theological error was sin. God distinguishes between them. The framework does too.




2. "Romans 3:10 — There is none righteous, no, not one"​


You use this passage to disqualify Job's righteousness. But this argument proves too much. If Romans 3:10 disqualifies Job, it equally disqualifies Abraham ("Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness" — Romans 4:3), David (Romans 4:6), Noah ("a righteous man, blameless in his generation" — Genesis 6:9), and the description of Zechariah and Elizabeth ("both righteous before God" — Luke 1:6).


Paul's point in Romans 3 is that no human being achieves the standing of righteousness by their own law-keeping. He is demolishing the claim that the law justifies. He is not erasing the category of the righteous person — a category he himself employs throughout his letters (Romans 5:7, 2 Corinthians 5:21). Job's righteousness is not a claim to sinlessness. It is the quality of his orientation toward God — the same quality the New Testament ascribes to Abraham.




3. "You are setting Job as God when you say he is a priest after the order of Melchizedek"​


This is the most significant misunderstanding of the framework, and it requires direct correction.


You argue: Melchizedek had no father, no mother, no beginning, no end — and therefore calling Job a priest after that order elevates Job to divine status.


But Hebrews 7 is explicit that Melchizedek himself is a man: "king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings" (Hebrews 7:1). He is a man whose genealogy is unrecorded in the canonical text — and Hebrews makes a typological argument from that unrecorded genealogy. The argument is not that Melchizedek lacked parents, but that the text does not mention them — which Hebrews uses as a figure for a priesthood not defined by bloodline.


More critically: Jesus Himself is described as a priest after the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 5:5-6, 7:15-17). The order is Melchizedek's. The fulfillment is Christ's. The pattern — which my framework argues runs through Job, the Psalms, the prophets, Paul — is the human expression of that order, not a claim to deity.


No believer who is called a "royal priest" (1 Peter 2:9) is thereby being set up as God. The framework does not place Job above God. It places Job in the oldest recognizable human priestly function — intercessor, coverer of the guilty, sufferer for others — which has its origin in God's own act in Genesis 3 and its culmination in Christ.




4. "A man who said he didn't know how to be right with God... who thought his righteousness was greater than God's"​


You catalogue Job's darkest statements and treats them as his settled theology. But this misreads how the book of Job works as a literary and theological whole.


Job's speeches are the raw material of a trial, not a systematic theology. The point of the whirlwind is precisely that Job's framework was insufficient — he had been arguing from the hearing of the ear and was brought to the seeing of the eye. The change is the testimony. Job does not end the book thinking his righteousness exceeds God's. He ends it with his face to the ground saying, "Now my eye sees you" (Job 42:5) and praying for the men who accused him.


A man who, after everything he endured, intercedes for those who wronged him is not a man who exalts himself above God. He is a man who has been broken into the shape of a priest.


This list of Job's worst moments would, by the same logic, disqualify David (an adulterer and murderer) from the Psalter, Peter (who denied Christ three times) from his epistles, and Paul (who called himself the foremost of sinners — 1 Timothy 1:15) from the apostolate. The Melchizedekian framework does not require sinless priests. It requires priests who have been formed in suffering and proven in intercession.




5. The Larger Methodological Point​


Your objection, at its root, appears to be: Job was flawed, therefore he cannot represent a high priestly type. But this inverts the structure of the entire biblical argument.


Hebrews 5:2 says the high priest is able to deal gently with the ignorant and the wayward "since he himself is beset with weakness." The weakness is not a disqualification. It is a qualification.


The framework in The Melchizedekian Priesthood does not argue that Job was sinless. It argues that Job was formed — through suffering he did not deserve, through friends who misread him, through complaints and wrestling and crying out — into the shape of a man who could intercede for others with standing before God. The test of that standing is not his conduct during the trial. It is what God said at the end of it, and what Job did with the verdict: he prayed for his accusers.


That is not a man who has been disqualified from the priesthood. That is a man who has just completed the ordination.
 

1. "Job failed the second test when he did not bless God"​


This objection misreads the text at a critical juncture. The book of Job itself provides the verdict, and it is unambiguous:







WRONG!------After the second test the scripture states that Job did not sin with his lips. This is why the comparison of the two tests is so important.

After the first test the scripture states that Job did not sin, nor charge God foolishly.
After the second test the scripture states that Job did not sin with his lips.

The first chapter of Job lists two methods of sinning. The first was with the heart.

First method of sinning. Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

Second method of sinning. Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

After the first test Job passes because he didn't sin, either with his heart, or with his lips, and it is stated in this manner that Job did not sin, while in the second test it is only the lips that are given a pass. It leaves it open that Job could have sinned with his heart. When you consider that Job blessed God after the first test, but did not bless God after after the second test, it could easily lead you to believe Job's heart wasn't right.

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
 
WRONG!------After the second test the scripture states that Job did not sin with his lips. This is why the comparison of the two tests is so important.

After the first test the scripture states that Job did not sin, nor charge God foolishly.
After the second test the scripture states that Job did not sin with his lips.

The first chapter of Job lists two methods of sinning. The first was with the heart.

First method of sinning. Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

Second method of sinning. Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

After the first test Job passes because he didn't sin, either with his heart, or with his lips, and it is stated in this manner that Job did not sin, while in the second test it is only the lips that are given a pass. It leaves it open that Job could have sinned with his heart. When you consider that Job blessed God after the first test, but did not bless God after after the second test, it could easily lead you to believe Job's heart wasn't right.

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
And how do you reconcile your understanding with the book of James?
 
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I believe this verse says it all. Jas 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
James 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. 11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

James 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

So in your mind James puts forth Job as an example of the prophets who have spoken in the name of the Lord because his tongue is an unruly evil, full of poison. I have heard enough. Not interested in anything you have to say. Thankyou.
 
James 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. 11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

James 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.


So in your mind James puts forth Job as an example of the prophets who have spoken in the name of the Lord because his tongue is an unruly evil, full of poison. I have heard enough. Not interested in anything you have to say. Thankyou.

Jas 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Job 3:1 After this opened Job his mouth, and cursed his day.
Job 3:8 Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.
 

(From the book flap)

What if the Bible's most misunderstood book is actually its most foundational one — and what if the office it describes has been operating, hidden in plain sight, across every major book of the New Testament?

JOB: Constitution of the Hidden Priesthood makes a sustained, methodologically rigorous case that the book of Job is the constitutional document of the Melchizedekian priesthood — the same order that Hebrews identifies as the one Jesus holds forever. It is not Leviticus, but Job, that serves as the founding charter of the Bible's deepest priestly office. And once you see it, you cannot unsee it.

The study opens by tracing the Melchizedekian order from its origin in Genesis 3 — where God Himself performed the first priestly act, covering the guilty with the skin of the innocent — through Melchizedek's brief and enigmatic appearance in Genesis 14, and then into Job's ash heap, where a man outside every covenant structure exercises the full priestly function: standing between his household and God, interceding under pressure, and ultimately praying for the friends who had wronged him. Job 42 is not a happy ending. It is the oldest intercession in the canon.

From that foundation, the study traces the same priestly pattern across six distinct corridors of Scripture. James describes the Melchizedekian life without ever naming Melchizedek. Hebrews develops the Melchizedekian office without ever naming Job — and yet Job's fingerprints are on nearly every page. First Peter builds its entire pastoral strategy on the Job dynamic: suffering in righteousness is not evidence of guilt but proof of genuine faith. Second Corinthians is the field manual for the Melchizedekian priest on active deployment. Lamentations places the priestly function inside the ruins of a destroyed civilization, showing that the priesthood survives every institutional collapse. The Psalms are its prayer journal.

The seven letters of Revelation 2–3 are then read as the complete interior map of the Melchizedekian journey — from new birth at Ephesus to co-regency at Laodicea — tracing the progressive stripping of everything that is not Jesus until what remains is the indestructible life Hebrews names as the only credential that matters.

The study's most striking claim is saved for last: Paul is the New Testament version of Job, and Peter is the gospel version. Both parallels run structurally — stripping, ash heap, false friends, defense, whirlwind, restoration — and both illuminate something that no conventional apostolic biography quite captures: these men were not simply trained. They were broken open, and what came out of the breaking was the only thing fit to coach others through it.

JOB: Constitution of the Hidden Priesthood is for the reader who senses that the Bible is more architecturally unified than they have been shown — and who is willing to follow the argument wherever the priesthood has always operated: outside the camp, in the ash heap, and through the fire.
 
Job should be the last person to be considered as a type of Christ.

Can you picture the Father saying this to Jesus? “Will you condemn me that you might be righteous?”

Can you picture the Father saying this to Jesus? Job 40:2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

Can you picture the Father saying this to Jesus? Job 40:8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

Can you picture the Father saying this to Jesus? Job 41:4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever? (The Father is speaking of the serpent who is king over all the children of pride.)

Can you picture the Father saying this to Jesus? Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

Can you picture Jesus saying this to the Father? Job 9:23 If the scourge slay suddenly, you will laugh at the trial of the innocent.

Can you picture Jesus saying this to the Father? Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: you covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who are you?

Can you picture Jesus saying this to the Father? Job 9:17 For you breaketh me with a tempest, and multiplieth my wounds without cause.



Job was lost and on his way to hell if he didn’t repent.

Job 33:27
He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not; He will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and his life shall see the light.
 
Thank you for clarifying.

Elihu is not acting as a Prosecutor. The defendant does not stand up before the Prosecutor to plead his case. The defendant pleads his case before the Judge and Jury.

Definition of a daysman = Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
  1. to prove, decide, judge, rebuke, reprove, correct, be right
    1. (Hiphil)
      1. to decide, judge
      2. to adjudge, appoint
      3. to show to be right, prove
      4. to convince, convict
      5. to reprove, chide
      6. to correct, rebuke
    2. (Hophal) to be chastened
    3. (Niphal) to reason, reason together
    4. (Hithp) to argue
    5. Job defines the daysman = Job 9:33 Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:34 Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me.
      Job 9:35 Then would I speak, and not fear him; but it is not so with me. My Bible clearly states that Elihu is Job's daysman. That Elihu is standing in the place of God according to the wish of Job.
Job 33:6 Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay.

If you say, only when God is speaking do the words count as truth, then if you follow that out less than ten per cent of the bible is truth.

If you follow that thought out further, than we all can make the Bible say whatever we want.

PS. A Prosecutor does not lay his hands on the judge or the defendant.

Happy to change subjects (again) and discuss Elihu. We have already gone back and forth about him, so I don't know if anything will be accomplished aside from rehashing previous points. Still, if there is more to uncover and discern regarding him, that would be good to know.

But regarding James' reference about Job, you had no rebuttal to the proof provided for you that James is talking to his brethren, meaning people of like *faith*, so I can infer you have no case here. Job was a man of faith *prior* to his suffering and his ordeal. He is not "lost" and "not saved" as you have put forth. His story is not a prodigal son story, nor a story of a man coming to know the Lord for the first time.

You can apply your theory to many other people and stories, and I would heartily agree with you. However, it's just not the story of Job.

James is writing to fellow followers of Christ Jesus and encouraging them in their faith in the midst of suffering. He clearly references the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord, and Job, as examples of how to stay faithful during testing, trials and tribulations. Job never abandons his faith throughout his ordeal, and James exhorts his brethren to do likewise, like the prophets, like Job.
 
But Elihu comes to Job with a stunning reorientation. Wisdom, he says, does not come from seniority or from having kept the rules longest. It comes from the breath of the Almighty (Job 32:8) — and this breath is not earned, it is given. John shows us the fulfillment of this when the risen Jesus breathes on His disciples and says, "Receive the Holy Spirit" (John 20:22). The source of true understanding has always been the same: direct impartation from God Himself.

When suffering comes, our natural mind interprets it as evidence that the ledger is broken — that God has miscounted, or worse, that He has turned against us. But Elihu reframes suffering entirely. It is not punitive; it is mediatorial. There is one among a thousand, an interpreter, who ransoms the sufferer and restores him (Job 33:23–24). The writer of Hebrews shows us who that mediator is: Jesus, who was made like us in every way, who suffered the same things, yet without sin — and who therefore stands as our great high priest, not outside our pain, but inside it (Hebrews 4:15).

This is Elihu's great message to Job — and through Job, to us. God is not a cosmic accountant reviewing your file. He is a Father forming you into His likeness. The storms, the silence, the suffering — none of it is punishment for a righteous man. It is curriculum. It is the training ground for transcendence. God Himself is transcendent, and He intends His children to be transcendent with Him — exercising dominion, overcoming the world, bearing His image in fullness.

First of all, I have been enjoying your responses here, particularly the lengthier ones. I find them quite compelling and edifying. Thank you. The idea regarding Melchizedek and Job is not something I had heard before, so it is very interesting and has given me something to reflect on.

I agree with a lot of what you have written about the book of Job. The one thing I see differently, however, is the character of Elihu. I have seen other views defending him as some kind of wise, sensitive counselor, enlightening Job and pointing Job to a better way. I've seen him painted with these broad strokes, but when I dug into his actual words, what he says, and why he says it, I found him to be quite the opposite of who he proclaims himself to be.

Yes, it seems like Elihu is approaching Job and his ordeal with a different argument than the 3 friends. However, a lot of what Elihu says is simply a regurgitation of their arguments, and he even repeats ideas that Job has already stated.

But the fundamental problem with his argument is that it is still based on the assumption Job is suffering as a result of his sin. This, most of us understand, is not true. So Elihu's whole claim is built on a faulty foundation.

For example, let's look at Elihu's words in Job 33:26,27

Then he will pray to God, and He will accept him,
That he may see His face with joy,
And He may restore His righteousness to man.
“He will sing to men and say,
I have sinned and perverted what is right,

And it is not proper for me.

This is part of a longer passage, but look at the implication. He is talking about God rescuing a man from going into the pit. OK, right...but the primary problem is that this does not apply to Job and the ordeal he is enduring. Elihu is inferring in verse 27 that Job is suffering due to his sin and needs to repent. Again, as we know, this is not why Job is suffering based on what is laid out in chapters 1 & 2.

That is my fundamental issue with the opinion that Elihu is right in trying to explain to Job why he is suffering. I just don't see how he is revealing anything to Job about wisdom or anything else. What I do read is a lot of accusations and berating of Job by Elihu. At one point Elihu says Job should be "tried to the end". Considering all that Job has endured, that statement is purely sadistic.

I have more than these, but here are a few questions I have for those in support of Elihu:

1. Elihu is angry. Some argue this is "righteous" anger, but I disagree. Even if it was "righteous" who would want a person *burning with anger* as their counselor ? Who? Plus, when Elihu appears, Job is at his lowest point and proceeds to rake Job over the coals. I think Job was wise to ignore him and not respond.

2. Nowhere in the text is Elihu affirmed by anyone. Not by God. Not by Job. Not by the 3 friends. The only praise given to Elihu comes from Elihu. Are we to believe him because he *claims* to speak for God?

3. Why does Elihu constantly tell them to "hear" him and "listen" to him? Is he insecure? What is that about?

4. Elihu accuses Job of saying he is more righteous than God, but where does Job say that? What's the verse?
 
Happy to change subjects (again) and discuss Elihu. We have already gone back and forth about him, so I don't know if anything will be accomplished aside from rehashing previous points. Still, if there is more to uncover and discern regarding him, that would be good to know.

But regarding James' reference about Job, you had no rebuttal to the proof provided for you that James is talking to his brethren, meaning people of like *faith*, so I can infer you have no case here. Job was a man of faith *prior* to his suffering and his ordeal. He is not "lost" and "not saved" as you have put forth. His story is not a prodigal son story, nor a story of a man coming to know the Lord for the first time.

You can apply your theory to many other people and stories, and I would heartily agree with you. However, it's just not the story of Job.

James is writing to fellow followers of Christ Jesus and encouraging them in their faith in the midst of suffering. He clearly references the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord, and Job, as examples of how to stay faithful during testing, trials and tribulations. Job never abandons his faith throughout his ordeal, and James exhorts his brethren to do likewise, like the prophets, like Job.

You have provided no proof that brethren means people of like faith. Quite the contrary.

James, talking to his brethren, does not mean people of like faith, James means his fellow Jews. Brethren is referring to tribal affiliation.

Here is an example of brethren. Mat 4:18 And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

There is different types of faith, and the brethren that James was talking to were not all of one faith.

Jas 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

What was Job's faith in? Was it not in his own righteousness? Job 27:6 My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live.

Here is some of the brethren that James was talking to. Jas 5:1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
 
There were many theories on why Job suffered the things he suffered.
Job asks God and God answers by telling us how power He is. The take away being 'Might = Right." God then questions Job as to what right does he have to question what God does.

That said I believe Job endured what He did for us. For all o the readers of the book of Job. So when satan comes for us, we have some direction/expectation of what is to come.
God rebuked several of the people with the opinions.

However, in this thread I would like to look at what the rest of the Bible says to figure out what God's role was and why this happened.

1. God is omniscient. The book of Job makes it clear that He knew what Satan was planning to do.
Not the case. Satan had no plans against Job, till God asked satan "have you considered my servant Job."

2. God is omnipotent. The book of Job makes it clear that God allowed it to happen.
yes.
If you deny that God is omniscient then that is considered Blasphemy. If you deny that God is omnipotent that also is blasphemy.

3. God said this about Job: "8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?"

So that has to be part of your explanation, it can't contradict what God says here because God cannot lie.
ok cool.
Now we have promises from God in Psalm 91 and Deuteronomy 28 to protect us from evil.
God did protect Job from evil. He clearly says to Satan all of his possession are yours to do with as you will, but do not harm Job physically. Then when God allow satan to plague job physically He told satan to not take his life.

Without God's protect Satan would have evidently killed Job.
That is a covenant that we have with God.
Actually it's not. a covenant is a contract. There are terms and agreements that are put inlace with a covenant. Your do ABC and I do 123. If you do not do ABC then XYZ is a potential recourse.

Psalms are songs poems and hymns put to music.
How can you reconcile the covenant and promises we have with God with what happened? By all means use your own personal experiences if that helps explain this.
We do not know when Job lived. If He lived in a time before the law then none of the covenantally laws apply to him/Job. And again a Psalm is a song not a covenant/contract.
 
That said I believe Job endured what He did for us. For all o the readers of the book of Job. So when satan comes for us, we have some direction/expectation of what is to come.
Nice! Well stated. Makes sense.

Not the case. Satan had no plans against Job, till God asked satan "have you considered my servant Job."

We know from Scripture that satan's modus operandi is to "steal, kill and destroy". It seems satan *would* have done such to Job, however, as satan points out in chapter 1, God has set a "hedge" around Job to protect him from such attacks. It seems that satan is saying, "Of course I've considered him -- but You have him surrounded so that I can't!" (My paraphrase, obviously.)

Also, satan says he is roaming the earth, going back and forth in it. This seems to parallel what Peter writes in his first epistle:

1 Peter 5:8
Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls about like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

Not a big point of contention, but that is my take on satan in Job. Satan was prowling around the earth, looking for someone to devour, when God says, "Have you considered my servant Job?" In other words, "Have you considered devouring my servant Job?" to which satan seems to infer, "Yes, I've considered devouring him, but You have prevented me." Then God removes the hedge and satan unleashes his attacks on Job.